Topic: Situation in a bar

I was at a bar today after a sauna evening with friends, i dont drink so i am always keen on observing. I noticed that by my standards the bar was slightly more agressive than usually. Tho not by much, either way, i was standing at the bar-desk (the place where they serve drinks) and this one guy comes talking to me about SUPO (finnish secret service) and CIA and how i'm going to be killed by depression. It is rather hard to describe in short, but either way, i am currently talking with a friend about it and i will copy the basic parts of the conversation here to give you all a better view of what happened.

And those who read my intro and such, I post this here to poke fun at them, I will not be intimidated to silence smile

* Removed friends nick to cover identity.

[02:18:39] hkelukka: i had a very strange experience, i was in a bar and some dude, who was obviously very drunk, came talking to me in a verey probing way bout CIA and SUPO (finnish intelligence service) and so on
[02:19:01] hkelukka: it was slightly incoherant due to the amount of alcohol he had drink, but he remained very focused, so it cought my attention
[02:19:12] hkelukka: it felt like he was probing me and seeing how i act and such.
[02:19:24] *: he probably was
[02:19:41] hkelukka: most likely. but what i would want to know is if he was involved with something or not
[02:19:44] *: probably wasn't that drunk either
[02:19:51] hkelukka: he made constant remarks about how he is "not with them"
[02:19:56] hkelukka: but with "the same side"
[02:20:00] hkelukka: when referring to supo
[02:20:45] *: someone had very similar encounter and then talked about it with cass...
[02:20:53] *: they said that he was alien
[02:21:17] *: did you get rid of him?
[02:21:49] hkelukka: the person in my experience was about 185cm medium built had a slight beard, or atleast unshaven. had a brownish leather coat
[02:22:01] hkelukka: and focused eyes and a very "from up down" way of talking
[02:22:25] *: maybe you remember that session... it was the one about mental blocking
[02:22:46] *: very similar
[02:22:49] hkelukka: hmm?
[02:23:11] *: i don't remember who had the encounter, i don't think it was laura or ark...
[02:23:12] hkelukka: Oh and he said i would die of depression
[02:23:23] *: they got rid of him by... one sec...
[02:24:01] hkelukka: or rather, that when i said that i have recieved death threats from several high on up "organizations"
[02:24:09] hkelukka: he made a small remark about probably dying of depression
[02:24:23] hkelukka: and i said that depression dosnt kill, i'll just move to canary islands and stop giving a f*ck
[02:24:23] hkelukka: big_smile
[02:24:57] *: by stating it in very hard way that they don't wish to talk to him...
[02:25:04] hkelukka: he knew atleast something. But i feel that while he did do what he was sent out to do he was somewhat taken back
[02:25:22] hkelukka: i dont wish to take that stance because while i do sense hostility from him, unless he threathns me or causes me harm i will not stop talking
[02:25:26] hkelukka: because even good guys work covertly
[02:25:43] hkelukka: the way i got rid of him was leave the bar when my friends left
[02:25:59] hkelukka: and i wanted to figure out who he was so i could learn something about their methors
[02:26:02] hkelukka: *methods
[02:26:34] *: well it's going to be very hard to figure out who exactly he was
[02:26:42] hkelukka: yes, yes it will
[02:26:51] hkelukka: but as i said to him, i'm talkinmg to him because i'm bored
[02:26:57] *: you should have ask him, what exactly does he want from him
[02:27:07] hkelukka: i asked what he wants from me
[02:27:08] hkelukka: or rather
[02:27:13] hkelukka: i didnt ask so directly
[02:27:25] hkelukka: when he was first being incoherant i said that "there is probably a point in all this incoherant ramble2
[02:27:36] hkelukka: and when he continued to talk i asked if he is trying to recruit me
[02:27:49] hkelukka: i noticed at that point that his eyes looked alot sharper then
[02:28:08] hkelukka: and i was very "dont come talking to me like i'm a newbie"
[02:28:26] hkelukka: i feel it was a physical visitation by a lizzie agent, it wasnt a alien itself but a probe
[02:28:39] *: it's good to be very direct in situations like that... it makes your psyche stronger... your psychic defenses...
[02:28:57] hkelukka: yes, i am very strong these days if they try to f*ck with me.
[02:29:04] hkelukka: because i know that i know smile
[02:29:11] hkelukka: strangely enough, being attacked has made me stronger in psyche
[02:29:14] *: doesn't really matter if he's alien or cia, or what ever
[02:29:21] hkelukka: well yes it does
[02:29:30] hkelukka: and it matters because of a earlier convo i had with a seer girl
[02:30:12] hkelukka: because after a dream where i was attacked there was a girl in a aura form standing next to me (i couldnt see it but over a webcam another person could) and she said that that girl standing next to me will alert "them" to my presence and "they" will come to visit me rather shortly. Assuming she fucks up
[02:30:13] hkelukka: which she did
[02:30:23] hkelukka: the girl standing next to me, which was the person who generated the nightmare
[02:30:39] hkelukka: so i feel this was the visitation and now they are physically aware of me so i wouldnt be suprised if i get killed
[02:31:47] *: don't thinks so... they're testing you... they might try to scare you... but not kill... if you're going be strong
[02:32:09] hkelukka: hah, scaring me dosnt really work big_smile
[02:32:16] hkelukka: ofcourse i am momentarily thrown off balance
[02:32:27] hkelukka: but i know quite well that they will try to kill me in some form or another if i keep pushing this
[02:32:33] *: they might try to brake you, that's why it is very important to let them know that you don't wish to be bothered
[02:32:38] hkelukka: i am also quite aware that it is not as easy as they make it out to be
[02:33:00] hkelukka: oh they can come talk to me if they so desire, if anythying, it makes me more prepared
[02:33:21] hkelukka: if i dont feel like talking anymore i'll walk away, if it dosnt work i'll make a fight big_smile
[02:34:15] *: as you want but remember that the more you talk to them the more they know about you... and that's why they want to talk to you
[02:34:44] hkelukka: ....
[02:34:54] hkelukka: they can observe me every moment of my life in auric form
[02:34:56] *: there are also other things they can work on you besides talking to you
[02:35:08] hkelukka: how are they going to find out more than they already do
[02:35:45] *: what if they start "taking" you?
[02:35:55] hkelukka: they are already doing that.
[02:36:10] hkelukka: before qfs started taslking with C's they were abducted over 50 times
[02:36:19] hkelukka: keep that in mind before assuming tha tnot talking to them is a way to protect oneself
[02:36:33] hkelukka: if they really wanted to kill me it would take them a few microsecondes
[02:36:41] hkelukka: but the reason they dont do it is ... i dont know
[02:36:47] hkelukka: there is something keeping the troublesome humans alive
[02:36:59] *: well, do you want this "friendship" to get even closer?
[02:37:35] hkelukka: they are already as close as one can imagine, it is the shadow under your feet, it is the air on your skin, tyhe only way to work against it is to realise what "it" is
[02:37:45] hkelukka: what i see this situation as is rather different
[02:37:54] hkelukka: because the background system is working on a different level
[02:38:00] hkelukka: i've made enough of a ripple to be noticed
[02:38:10] hkelukka: and now the next level of the system is kicking in (physical people)
[02:38:30] hkelukka: i could ofcourse have kicked him away, but if i do that eveyr single time someone comes talking to me and i feel they might be something harmful
[02:38:33] hkelukka: i wouldnt talk to anyone
[02:38:47] hkelukka: if i value freedom yet block the possiblity to look at darkness then i am not free
[02:39:08] hkelukka: freedom of choice means one can also choose to not be free, i'm not choosing that, i am always choosing to do what i happen to want at the moment
[02:39:55] *: well... you know my opinion...
[02:40:08] hkelukka: *nod* the want you to try to convince me smile (Edit; the = I )

The convo went in a different direction at that point, I'll post again later if i hear more.

2 (edited by lyra 2005-11-25 18:33:01)

Re: Situation in a bar

I didn't read the exchange (too tedious) but from your opening intro I get the gist of what happened.  Really, all I can say is what I've said before here at NR, which is stuff like this (weirdness) happens when they know that it will get a reaction out of you.  Whether it's fear, paranoia, or merely expelling energy by going round and round trying to analyze it.........if it will generate a reaction from you, ANY reaction, it will continue to happen. 

I've had my share of weirdness in the past, which I've talked about before.  And it only stopped once I stopped giving a shit.   Seriously, I got to a point where I just didn't (couldn't?) react.   Became totally indifferent, unfazed.   It was just boring to me.   When the entities would come 'round in the middle of the night, I'd roll over and go back to sleep, muttering that I didn't have time for this, I had to get up for work in the morning.  zzzzzzzz......  When the black helis would do their thing, I just took pictures and mentally challenged them...."come on...show me what you're made of...I know you can hear me....come on....."    I've never had a black helicopter come back again since the day I challenged one like that.  They weren't expecting that.   I'd get people saying bizarre stuff to me in public...............the last time that happened in Florida, two guys walked past me, saying something bizarre and very pointed towards me, can't remember what.  And I looked up from what I was doing and yelled to them as they walked to the other side of the store, "HEY!   Why are YOU talking to ME?   Huh? Why are YOU talking to ME?"  Total queen / princess mentality, don't ask me where it came from!  big_smile  But I actually meant it, I truly felt like who the frick were THEY to be mumbling smack about ME as they walked by me?   Almost like, DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM YOU PEASANTS??  DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE EVEN *TALKING* TO HERE??  Again, don't ask me where it came from!  It was like a subconcious knowing of sorts.   Also, I didn't feel indignation, which is a victimization reaction, and where one retracts and pulls back, folding up.  It was like a blast outwards, pushing, expelling it away, fully feeling like, You will NOT talk to me like that.  TAKE A HIKE!

So yes, I just stopped giving a shit.  And it all stopped.  ALL of it.  The phone interference, the entities, the black helis, people saying bizarre stuff to me in public, ALL of it.  I don't get any of it anymore.  Because I don't give a flying f*ck.  Excuse the language!   big_smile   But I don't.  I barely even keep up on my log book anymore, (I have a log book where I keep track of synchronicities, weird happenings, ear ringings, number sightings, de ja vus and all that weirdness stuff)  and if I do make a log entry, there's no excitement involved with it.  I'll log an entry only because I feel like I "should".....not because I'm all excited about it, going in mental circles, obsessively analyzing it.  Then I forget about it 2 seconds after I'm done logging it!   

I can't tell you how to be....ultimately we all have to go through it and figure it out (hopefully) in the end.   But I feel the need to pipe up and share what I know, in order to help people get to that point sooner, rather than later.    Stuff will happen to you as long as you continue to care, even in some small way.   Again, whether it's fear, paranoia, or obsessing in mental circles about something, it will continue to happen.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Situation in a bar

Ah, but perhapse you should have read it wink I say in it that that is exactly the attitude i took, that i care what he says but i still dont "care." that i consider it nice that they would pay me a visit but it dosnt change anything, and that i dont care much for what they try to do to stop me. Anyway, i explained it in the text.

Re: Situation in a bar

Hkelukka wrote:

Ah, but perhapse you should have read it wink I say in it that that is exactly the attitude i took, that i care what he says but i still dont "care." that i consider it nice that they would pay me a visit but it dosnt change anything, and that i dont care much for what they try to do to stop me. Anyway, i explained it in the text.

I understand, but by starting a thread about the incident and then posting the entire exchange between you and your friend about the incident says to me that you do care on some level, even if you think you don't.  Otherwise, why start a thread about it and post the entire exchange?   I could be missing something I'm sure, but it just seemed to me that there was a sense of going in circles, analyzing the incident.   And by posting the entire exchange, you're getting others involved in the incident as well.  That helps feed the incident you could say.   By posting it on a messageboard and reposting an entire dialogue to draw others into the incident, which fosters dialogue on the incident says there's still a degree of analyzing in circles about it...........which will guarantee that this will happen again, and again and again.  (unless of course you don't mind if it keeps happening, and if that's the case, then disregard my post!  smile  )

At any rate, not trying to nitpick or fight or anything.  I just wanted to share my two cents about the idea of not caring...........and I mean, truly not caring, to the point where the incident is already half forgotten ten seconds after it happened.........and how powerful that is in stopping this sort of thing from occuring. (again, if that's what you're after.....maybe I misunderstood your feelings behind this incident and the others that have happened to you;  I was under the impression that you would like for them to leave you alone.  Maybe you don't though, I don't know.)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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