1 (edited by Jedi 2005-06-28 14:28:57)

Topic: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

I have worked on disciplining myself to be present, here and now and free of thoughts.  I have made a lot progress.  For instance, I'll be thrown random thoughts that are easy to push away.  I'll also be thrown malicious thoughts that in the past would induce a great emotional response which would cause me to be stuck and in pain but nowadays I can push away.

However, the one type of thought which will not relent like any other is music, songs etc.  I don't listen to music on the radio or anything, I will listen to trance when I am urged to freeform dance, so the only music I may hear will be at a store, or riding in a car with a friend etc.  As of this moment I am still at odds with a song I heard 4 days ago while getting a haircut.  It just seems to come randomly, numerous times a day and with such a ferocity I am baffled.

Here it is that I can push away past thoughts of torture and death and yet I am being molested by seemingly innocent music and songs.  Of course I can take it away in meditation, but that doesn't help my natural state of mind, which for me is fantastic in that it has become so present and liberating.

Clearing any other type of thought, no matter how insignificant or how malicious is as simple as clearing cookies on the computer.  But these songs are like spyware and I would really love your council on this matter.

Edit: This reminds me of an episode of Star Trek where the emphathic counselor is being tortured by wind up music being projected into her head that plays 24/7.

2 (edited by Sowelu 2005-06-28 18:36:36)

Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

Well, for me they pop in from my heart, not through waves of programming via the matrix, most often. They're especially noticed because, as you, I don't listen to music almost ever. So song bits are messages that assist, not malicious intruders, in the majority of my experiences of it happening. Typically, the song lyric (sometimes it's just one line of a song that runs over and over, because it's only that line that is meaningful to my experience) has a meaning that pertains to something I'm not mindful of or something that's occurring for me on my path that is important to understand.

Quite literally inspiration for my growth. Once I make the connection to my experience, it stops.

Don't know if that helps at all...
Sowelu

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

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Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

Same with me, Sowelu. I listen to very little music anymore but get snippets of lyrics and they always have a message ... sometimes deep pings, sometimes humorous, sometimes confirmations, sometimes inspirations, but always connected to experience.

Mon

Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

I also get messages through mental song loops, except once I acknowledge the message they tend to fade away. However some days there's a veritable mind-storm going on and the music is both pointless and persistent. The latter tend to happen prior to moments when my centeredness is put to the test through some uncannily timed external provocation. I've heard from others like astral travel guy Robert Bruce that song loops are used by entity attachments to siphon energy off you. Whatever the case, your question still stands as to what can be done about them.

I find that as with any impulse, switching to another is far easier than trying to stop it. Like switching a train versus stopping it. Stopping something leaves a vacuum, and nature conspires to fill it with anything at hand, in your case perhaps another song loop.

Here's a method that works for me no matter what the mental impulse: I open my eyes and take in my visual surroundings, listen to the subtle sounds of my environment, and take a deep breath. I do this while noticing both my own awareness and the intrinsic consciousness of everything around me. This then engages my visual, aural, tactile, and higher emotional senses - impressions with enough momentum to replace the former mechanical impulse. So a song loop can temporarily be replaced with something far more conscious and of a higher frequency. This doesn't have to take more than five seconds.

The trick is to do this every time a song loop starts - why? Because then you establish the condition that no matter what the source of that mental distraction, every attempt to distract you will bring about the opposite effect. And so that mischievous source gives up.

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Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

Acknowledge the song you are hearing
Accept it as part of who you are
Embrace it and love it
Then let it go.

SSE

Your focus determines your reality -- Qui Gon Jinn

6 (edited by Jedi 2005-06-29 16:47:54)

Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

Fantastic replies!  My negative view of these occurances did not allow me to consider that some of them may be messages from a guiding and/or positive source.  With this knowledge I will explore this new avenue.

One other thing I noticed is that these songs carry a strong energy.  And now that I see both ways, I have noticed that the song driving my nuts from the barber shop does not feel good at all, whilst on the other hand this little uplifting score of music from a television show called "Doctor Who" pops into my head a lot and it is so moving and energizing it makes me buzz with energy and puts me into a fantastic mood.

montalk: thank you kindly for you guidance on how to handle these when necessary.

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One thing I've noticed that's kind of disturbing is when I'm in a store that's playing muzak, the song will always be in my head after I leave. Sometimes I won't even notice the song until after I'm out the store, and wonder where it came from in my head, and only then realize it was playing in the store. This is disturbing to me because it shows how open a person's subconscious is to outside influences. If a song gets caught in my mind so easily, what other kinds of thoughts am I letting in without discernment?

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Someone I know who did a ten-day vipassana retreat said he was constantly getting song loops in his head during meditation, all of which were thematically related to the experience he was having.
It became comical.

Whatever causes them to be difficult to extinquish is surely also the reason they are used to teach little children things, like the alphabet and tricks to remember spelling rules and formulas.....
and certainly marketers know jingles work wonders.

I also know that when a person sings out loud, they use a part of the brain that is only used when singing.

That's my useless two cents.

Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

I believe snippets of songs easily cause loops in consciousness because music is very emotionally charged.  A piece of music, if it resonates with a person, stimulates the emotional centers and emotional body of the aura.  I've noticed that thoughts generally don't have much power unless there is an underlying powerful emotion, or if I'm reacting to it with powerful emotion.  ...Thoughts are the show, emotions are the go...

I also usually suspect psychic interference/attack if I find myself in a mental loop.  At the least, it tells me that that song stimulated an energy in me--lit up a string of programming or perceptions, positive or negative, that is literally sucking my attention into it.  If I withdraw my attention, put it elsewhere, and the song loop comes back then I know that a part of me is still "lit."  I also try grounding the energy of the song out of my aura, or the energy that is lighting up/powering the thoughtform that is sucking my attention into it.  I also try grounding out the thoughtform that the energy of the song might be lighting up--it may be a perception I don't really need or wasn't put there by me.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Sombody who I don't remember, told me that a repeating song loop is a symptom of a aneurysm. Some common type. But what the heck, if it's a good tune, go with it.

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Song loops are good if I choose them.  Mostly I choose instrumental music.
Songs with words can be distractions, energy wasters, hypnotizers or
motivators.  The key is to choose.  That's why I wear earplugs whenever
I go into a store or place that has its own programming going like:
"You're listening to KROGER radio, and now here's a suggestion for whitening
your teeth over in the pharmacy isle..."  Or the Walmart Radio Network.
Radio Network my a**.  This is nothing but bombarding us with bullsh*t.

The music you listened to when you were younger and the music you listen
to now becomes "The music of your life"  and if you're not careful, you'll start
trying to make reality (or your perception of it) fit the music you've got
jammed into your brain.

Montalk your suggestion about becoming aware of your surroundings and
your other senses when you get one of these loops going is an excellent
technique to stop it.  Thank you for that suggestion.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE music.  It's like a DRUG to me.  So I have to
be careful with it. 

TP

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Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

If I want to stop the loop, that is the music from looping around in my head, I simply sing along out loud. This seems to do the trick wink

Re: Why are songs the hardest thoughts/mental noise to clear?

Has anyone ever listened to noise music?  Music created for the purpose of being noisy and random.
I read on this forum often that it's important to find silence and let go of the constant mind chatter.  I think that it's possible that noise can help.  When I'm listening to chaotic noise in my room or in the car, my mind is always trying to find patterns and grasp onto something.  It would be trying to find the loop I guess you could say.  After a short period I naturally give up in trying to find the loop and there is a certain ease.  It's like the noise sweeps my mind clean, and afterwards it is much easier to attain an empty mind.

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First, congrats for diggin' up a thread so old. I guess that's alright.

Noise music. Isn't that the same as hard metal? I kid, I kid.
I've listen to pink noise generating programs before. White noise, pink noise, for binaural experiments. Afterward, the silence seems very silent, but I wouldn't encourage longterm use of white or pink noise. Its true that I can help block EVERYTHING out, but it's also deconstructive to creativity. It's just pure lack of order. Wouldn't it be better to calm your mind and take ownership of your own mental chatter?

Meditation is a tool you can use.

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There's another serious problem with white/pink noise to keep in mind, and that's hearing damage.  Since white noise represents every frequency, your ear has to work incredibly hard to process it.

If you listen to stuff like that, keep it at a low volume, and don't subject yourself to it for too long at a time without giving your ears some rest.