Topic: Gold, silver, platinum

I have several friends who are converting part of their savings into gold  and silver or platinum bullion coin (krugerrands, sovereigns, eagles etc ) as protection against inflation/runs on banks and buying a bit with each months salary too.

perhaps this is slight paranoia but it may be worth thinking about,  look what happened to savings in Brazil and Turkey a few years back when mega inflation wiped out peoples savings.  Those who had gold were protected.
Paper money is just a promise or a digital number in a computer while Gold silver and platinum are actually worth something and have generally  always risen and kept their buying power per ounce despite a few blips.

Also by spending  savings  on gold platinum etc it keeps the energy flowing. As always nothing is certain though.
If only i had some savings smile But i have faith the universe will provide my needs.


Any thoughts?

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

Re: Gold, silver, platinum

its a good idea, in fact my boss has alot of gold bars stocked (chemical engineer so ... yea)

But i have faith the universe will provide my needs.

exactly, the rest is just materials...

its better than paper money / credit , thats for sure.

but what are u gonna do, chip off a piece and take it to the grocery store?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

3 (edited by wandering1 2005-06-02 19:27:06)

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zonabi wrote:

but what are u gonna do, chip off a piece and take it to the grocery store?

I think that silver might be used more commonly for day to day needs.  I think it's around
$7 an ounce now.

Gold and Platinum might be used for "big ticket" items. 

I think that precious metals will be used in transactions outside the mainstream.  I bet that as time passes we will see an increase in encouragement/pressure to used credit and debit cards for all transactions.

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I know there are places that don't accept cash any more as well as many places that will accept cash, however they do so frowning.

As The Fallen Fall,
They Shall Rise Again,
As The Phoenix Teaches,
There Shall Be No End.

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From a friend at WRH forum:

One more suspect pattern is the gold market. In Europe, the phenomenon is known as "Good Morning, America"--meaning that the gold market falls like clockwork as soon as the New York market opens. This makes it possible to get gold down for the aptly-named "London Fix", which is widely reported worldwide.

They have probably lost control of the gold market. They can still manipulate paper, but if you try to buy physical gold buillon, you will be disappointed that the dealers often have unreasonably long waiting periods for delivery. They simply do not have enough inventory.

Silver is even harder to get. You can get "junk silver" (bags of 90% silver pre-1965 American quarters and/or dimes) but sterling silver coin is getting hard to get ahold of.

Platinum does not seem to be controlled as much. It shot up from $400 + change (I shudda bought. But I was concerned about lack of sufficient reserves) to over $1000 and is currently holding around $860.

Palladium is manipulated not by any government--unless maybe Russia in which case they are manipulating it the wrong direction (they are losing)--but rather by big buyers for industries that use it. PALLADIUM IS A SCREAMING BUY AT $184 (this morning's price).

Good luck buying any. You may find that you can not buy it at anything like the spot price!! A sure sign of manipulation. Only a few mints sell Palladium coin, and one of them is, ah, a shady and disreputable business. But I do have some; I had to be patient and persistent.

Don't expect the price to shoot up any time soon. But when Palladium is doing well it is priced higher than gold. As a member of the Platinum group of metals, it is a substitute for extremely expensive Platinum in certain industrial applications--for instance, on spark plugs. Like Platinum it is hard, and does not tarnish.

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The value of money, wether it is paper, electronic or metal, is not determined by how shiny it is, nor how big the headquarters of the central bank printing it is, nor how impressing the drawings on the notes look like; it's how much faith the users of the money have in its value. Sticks of wood have been used as money, as was salt, sea shells, etc. As long as someone believes that the money you are about to give her/him in return for something will in turn be accepted by another person in return for something else, the first person will accept your money. If the first person does not believe the money you are about to give will be accepted elsewhere, that person will not accept the money.

Imagine the following: faction R decides to shift from paper to electronic money. They will secretly put masses of forged paper money onto the market. The banks as always check money properly before they accept it into an account and they will notice the forgeries. Stores will be afraid any cash they accept cannot be put into their bank accounts, because they might be forgeries, so the stores stop accepting cash. People not being able to spend cash anywhere will stop believing in its value and will no longer accept it either. Of course by now, faction R has already publicly and loudly campaigned for supersafe electronic money, which has none of these issues.

The trick of putting places of famous people and magnificent buildings on cash, and having large headquarters with statues and a two-story fountain, and an important sounding name like X Central Bank or First Bank of X, does work on most people and they will believe in the value of the money not realising it is themselves who give that value to it, not the famous people or big buildings.

My point to all this is that the value, even of gold, silver, or any other precious metal, is not some elemental particle buzzing around it; the value is not a tangible thing. And even though people have generally considered shiny things to be of value, this belief can be reprogrammed (and boy, isn't faction R skilled at that), so gold, silver, etc. can lose their value. Also, electronic money by itself is not evil, and precious metals are no supercure to everything either.

For some more good information on money, check for example: http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html.

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Hey all if your into buying gold or silver here is a site worth seeing     http://www.libertydollar.org/default.asp

Be the Wave

8 (edited by Barefoot Doc 2005-09-05 04:40:08)

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http://applianceguru.com/documents/Comi … _Crash.pdf

Article about surviving the coming finacial crash and how investment in gold and silver may be worhwhile in the short term at least.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

9 (edited by tenetnosce 2005-09-24 14:18:49)

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Barefoot,

I think the answer lay not in whether or not there will be a major economic change, but the nature of that change.

There are two general ways it can go.  One way is massive deflation, economic collapse, and a depression that makes the 20s look like an era of prosperity.  The other way is hyperinflation where loaves of bread cost $100, etc.

Either way the experience is to help us discover the meaning of value.  Dollars represent value, and they are only worth something because we collectively decided that it was so.  If deflation happens, then billions of dollars currently in circulation will go 'poof' and disappear just as magically as they appeared.   If that happens, anybody who has managed to hold on to some dollars will find that they are able to afford the things they need to live, and moreover the things which we now consider luxuries will become incredibly cheap.  Imagine warehouses full of electronic equipment and no dollars to buy them.  The manufacturers of these items will be left with no choice but to sell them off at incredibly low prices.

If hyperinflation happens then dollars will continue to buy less and less, but there will also be much easier to come by then they currently are.  So a loaf of bread might cost $100, but you won't really have to work any harder to be able to afford it.

In either case, I think it is wise to have some precious metals.  But it is also important to remember that precious metals only have value because we collectively decided that as well.  The difference is that precious metals are considered money by people all over the world regardless of politics, while U.S. dollars are only backed by the faith that people have in the U.S. government.

The best protection in my opinion is to find the value in yourself.  Know what you have to offer, who you can offer it to, and how you can offer it to them.  This will make it easier for the universe to provide for you.  To the extent that people insist on earning money through convincing others that they need products that are really unnecessary, these people will experience extreme economic hardship.  To the extent that people earn a living through providing genuine service to others they will find themselves quite prosperous.

Remember at one time much of England prospered through the use of tally sticks.  The object is worthless until somebody assigns a value to it..

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

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tenetnosce wrote:

The best protection in my opinion is to find the value in yourself.  Know what you have to offer, who you can offer it to, and how you can offer it to them.  This will make it easier for the universe to provide for you.  To the extent that people insist on earning money through convincing others that they need products that are really unnecessary, these people will experience extreme economic hardship.  To the extent that people earn a living through providing genuine service to others they will find themselves quite prosperous.

Thanks for your thoughts, when Argentina had an economic collapse millions turned to bartering and many still do.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.