• Registered: 2005-04-09

Topic: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

Ok, all. I've read some really good threads about all sorts on this forum, but one thing keeps hitting me in the face, every time. There seems to be a reoccuring feeling that in some way David Icke seems to be deemed ''negative'' and ''fear mongering''.... Yes. I like David a lot. I believe he is a brave man when it was in no way ''fashionable'' to be deemed a conspiracy theorist. He really went out on a limb when there was no reward to be gained. You can't compare him to say, Stewart Wilde, who I have great respect for as well, as David is more 'earth bound' shall we say, and Stewie is more involved in spititual adventures. Anyway, to my point. Is David Icke simply telling us as it is? Whether it's all an illusion or not, whether we feel it's negative bunk, the truth is that people are still dying of hunger, in a plentiful world, people are still dying of cancer when there are cures, and the Brits and Yanks are still killing hundreds of innocent Iraquis, and we are being manipulated by a darker force, whether we like it or not! How can that be deemed as fear mongering when it's happening, folks? He's informing us about chipping. Not anybody's imagination. Search the net and see the pictures. Why are they so small if they are for our own good? He's only relating what an ex CIA agent told him and warned him about! He is simply passing it on. And if he is ''scare mongering'', then why is his belief that ''Infinite Love is the only truth, Everything else is illusion? Doesn't sound very scary to me. It fills me full of hope. And if he is 'working with the enemy', it hasn't worked on me, because it makes me feel more powerful! And why is he asking us to say, NO NO NO to what's happening? I am one of those pathetic creatures that does watch the TV... and swear at it continuously, cos I do want to know what's happening in my world. I don't want to live in a cave. Because I feel knowledge is a very powerful thing... and as the saying goes, forewarned is forarmed. I don't feel it's negative to be informed to what 'in reality' is happening... and by whom.

Let's not be afraid to face what is going on.... But this is only my opinion ....and my choice. Any response?

  • Registered: 2005-05-04

Re: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

...with you all the way, Star.

Divinity
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  • Registered: 2004-10-26

Re: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

Hi star,
Yes, it's good to be informed, but lately I've found that if I dwell on the dark things that
are going on and never get any relief from positive thoughts, I can spiral down into
the abyss of hopelessness and anger.  And we all know that if we're into anger, we can't
vibrate at any higher vibration, like love and compassion.
Forewarned is forearmed and knowledge does protect.  The difficulty seems to be to
find some GOOD NEWS.  Not the fabricated illusory crap that the tv and the mainstream
media offer, but life-affirming information to balance out the horror of what is coming
to light nowadays.
TP

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Re: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

David Icke illustrates that your heart is more important than your head, that what you do is more important than what you say. His courage and determination despite ridicule and suppression more than makes up for any shortcomings people can point out in his material. He's a man, not a saint, and some of the objections people pose to his personal character regarding women should not be held to the standards of a saint.

That aside, the one thing that stands out to me about David Icke is that he evolves, and it shows in his books. He's not like some authors who burst onto the scene with some pre-formed spiel that they rigidly defend til the day they die...no, David Icke learns and keeps getting more and more on target with every book. Sometimes I think he's too busy writing/speaking and a bit too manic about new ideas to slow down and pick apart the subtler elements of what he's investigating, but his approach is similar to mine which is 'rapid prototyping' of theories -- make the best of what you have and revise as needed, which means the first couple times you overshoot and overcompensate until over time it gradually settles upon the possible truth. In the meantime he may get sidetracked by corrupted sources of information he's too overzealous to question, but so far he has shown willingness to change and improve.

As for being an alarmist or being negative, he's an enthusiastic guy and whatever he's into, he's into. He went from 'normal person' to 'new age person' to 'conspiracy person' to 'spiritual person' - each time keeping the best of the old and combining it with the new. That he keeps evolving shows that whatever people can criticize him for now, either he keeps correcting what is criticized or becomes better at correcting those who criticize.

Look at his latest book, "Infinite Love is the Only Truth" -- it's only half the size of his last couple books because the first half that normally exposes the 3D conspiracy from A to Z (again and again) has been cut out. I would say it's his best book yet, even mentions OPs but not by that name and leans more heavily on reptilians shadowing/manipulating humans from other realms than posing as them in the physical. I think his critics need to get up to date on David's latest writings before dismissing him based on the old.

About facing what's going on, well there's a difference between expanding your awareness by learning the deeper meaning to events and thinking you're becoming 'aware' by acknowledging yet another manifestation of that same pattern for the thousandth time.

When people first awaken to the brutality and conspiracy in this world, they are digesting the lesson that strings are being pulled. But sooner or later they get the point and anything further from that limited pool of knowledge would be redundant. And yet emotional addiction and habit can make redundant material perpetually attractive.

So information about 'what's going on in the world' cannot be applauded or dismissed universally for everyone since it depends on what more the individual can learn from it. But I think you gotta go through that phase before you finally have the awareness, satisfaction, and poise to value and responsibly engage in the more positive/constructive stuff. Negativity is reality, yes...but so is positivity.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Re: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

I agree we should not be too quick to dismiss Icke.  He has a broader perspective than most perceive, as shown by this article I found at his site.  Think this says it all:

"...and the truth
shall set you free"
by David Icke

From: Leading Edge Newspaper ~ March/April 1997
an alternative newspaper offering new global perspectives &
paradigms in Spirituality, Healing & Creativity

T he events of history are the result of the struggle between two states of mind: one which wishes to imprison and the other which desires to set free. The scene of this tussle is the collective human mind.

In these last years of the 20th century and across into the millenium, the human race is being given an opportunity we've not had since Atlantis, to step out of the prison and into mental, emotional, and spiritual freedom. Events are happening...that are dissolving the imprisoning vibration and vibrationally reconnecting the Earth with the rest of Creation. We and our "father" will be One again. It won't simply "happen" for every individual; the desire to do this needs to be present. But the opportunity is there for all and many are grasping that opportunity, as I know from the thousands of letters I receive and the people I meet. We are in a period of transition from the old fear vibration to the re-emerging love vibration.

We know this at a subconscious level and, for rapidly increasing numbers, at a conscious level too. Most people at this time can't remember why they are here, but they will. The Prison Warders know what is happening too, and the last thing that consciousness wants is for its prison and negative energy production unit to be no more. The key to breaking out of this spiritual prison is the awakening and expansion of our consciousness to the point where its vibratory rate will be so high and powerful that it can, collectively, dismantle the blocking frequency. The Prison Warders, via the Global Elite, have been doing everything possible to close our minds and to divide us so that we do not work together as One.

As I described in my book, ...and the truth shall set you free, the quickening pace of the global manipulation after the First World War reflects the pressure coming from the Prison Warder consciousness for a speeding up of the work towards centralized control of the human mind before the challenge to this planetary occupation reaches its peak, in the latter years of this decade and into the next millennium. This speeding up of the centralized control is yet again a reflection of the collective human mind. It has become a downward spiral.

As we have given our minds away and taken on thought patterns from others about our lack of self-worth and potential to control our own lives, we have created that physical reality. But instead of learning the lesson in the light of events this has caused, such as wars, we have allowed those events to further demoralize us, frighten us, and fill us with guilt and despair. This has further diminished our self-worth, thus increasing our self-loathing and our desperation to look to others for the answers to the gathering gloom.

The collective mind has then manifested that negative sense of reality in an escalation to even more centralized power and control which, at a subconscious level, the human mind is demanding out of its fear and self-loathing. The Prison Warders have taken advantage of this and fueled the fires of the collective mindset. But they can't create the reality; only we can.

And we can only do that by the way we think about ourselves and the way we allow ourselves to absorb the thought patterns of others, including the Prison Warders and the Global Elite, who are working to erode our sense of self and self worth.

  • Registered: 2005-05-04

Re: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

http://noblerealms.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=85
Shooting Star, you might find the above discussion about focus on sto/sts useful.

Love Divinity
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  • Registered: 2005-04-09

Re: ...What's negativity when it's reality?

Thank you all for your responses and insights. Divinty I look forward to reading your link and Montaulk, I would like to respond to your insight but I just did then lost all that I had written!!!! So, I'll leave until tomorrow when I don't feel like throwing my pc over my balcony.... x