1 (edited by Haven 2005-04-23 17:01:33)

Topic: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

I have to start out with a disclaimer that my intention isn't to make a personal attack on anyone, and is merely an observation of certain lines of thinking and my presentation of an alternative viewpoint.

I think what is mostly overlooked is the human tendency to externalize and solidify psychology, commonly called projection, and have the tendency to define terms as "real" and "not real", or "good" and "bad", identifying and confusing their essential identity with ideals and reality.  When they refuse to acknowledge that they are the source of that solidification and perception, they blame that which had they had used to facilitate their closed mental attitude, and tend to sum up, based on their own limited interpretation, usually taught to them by others, this tool in overly-simple observations, usually in emotional terms that fall into the realm of loving or hating.  While it is much easier to scapegoat, their is little reality in most interpretations of certain ideals due to the desire to enact an emotional distancing in order to attain a sense of individuality.  To put it in more accessible terms, this same concept applies to rebelling of children from their parental application of identity, where the parent is the enemy through no intention of their own in most cases, or becomes even more of an enemy by tightening their grip on the actions of the rebellious child.  While both can be considered misguided, the point to remember that this is humanity doing something that is essential to their nature, and, ultimately, needed and beneficial, considering the limitations in which we work, limitations we will overcome by slowly integrating them into a larger reality, instead of emotionally reacting and unbalancing ourselves, which will require an eventual balancing.  It does no good to blame one's own feelings of misgivings about one's self and life on a tool that was used by that same person.  The new viewpoint always demonizes the old viewpoint.

Two views immediately come to view.  One is that it is a human psychological process of evolution or rhythmic cyclic, and things are being played out accordingly in the material realm.  Far from humanity being a bunch of unwilling suckers, perhaps we are willingly fooled.  We cannot objectively say what is good or what the rational path would be.  We can pretend, but we cannot know the truth.  Another view is that, if we are all here for a reason, or if things happen for a purpose, then why do we assume that we know unequivocally why we are here, or how things should be?  If we have achieved our own wisdom through a process of inner reflection, why do we seek to impose our way of thinking on those we deem less fortunate?  If we were incapable of inner reflection before we were ready, why do we assume those who are not ready be treated with a mild disdain?

My own view is that everything is essentially a way to understand one's self.  Is perhaps taking sides, projecting our own psychology onto external reality, not something for the common man, and if we, even as we imagine ourselves to be enlightened, do the same thing, are we not any better than the common person, different in our beliefs but the same in our methods?  What, of importance, has been accomplished?  Are we any more compassionate, any more of an ideal that would be deemed desirable?  Does anyone understand the irony of the common person to dismiss the beliefs of hyper-dimensional beings or UFOs, and the inability of those who consider themselves of a higher vibration to accept something other than their view of their world with as much if not more ridicule and vehemence?  Are we to look down on the common man without seeing our own actions that are essentially the same? 

True enlightenment, I believe, is to be more of an observer, to learn from our life without taking sides, avoiding externalization and projection.  Without these practices, we are all merely subject to our own desires, emotional desires that are hidden from ourselves and make us no better than the common man many "enlightened" tend to pity.

In the end, perhaps it is the point of enlightenment to be aware without investing in illusions to the point of compromising our own detachment, and to respect those who are in their own process.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

Re: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

Okay, this came on the TeeVee as soon as I posted it, and it's "Maguire", not McGuire.  I know there's people that read this and they can't get past that without effort, so:  Maguire.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

Re: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

Haven...

It feels like you've been thinking hard about these issues.  I agree with you--one isn't meaningfully progressing so long as there remains resistance to ideas/beliefs that happen lie outside the circle of one's own ideas/beliefs.  This is just trading one bias for another bias perceived to be more advantageous. 

I feel I've seen this with a friend.  I had a friend at university who was a "hardcore party-girl" who hated the high and mighty Christian groups who ended up in Narcotics Anonymous, joined a church, abdandoned us (her circle of friends) and became quite hostile to us.  She traded hostility for hostility.

Lately I've come to think that spiritual development means very little without the development of compassion, and especially humility.  As long as you are resisting and reactive to whatever you perceive opposes you, it is very difficult to achieve any sort of consciousness of wholeness.  As long as resistance remains, there is an Us Versus Them.  ...This is not to say that one doesn't need to be careful of other beings, however.  One can defend one's self without the wasted energy of getting defensive.  It's difference between posting the sign "Please Note: This Land is Occupied" and posting a sign that reads "NO TRESPASSING!!!" along with ten feet of barbed wire and a drooling guard dog.

I used to feel very sharply a division between myself who was "Authentic" and others who were "caught up in the bullsh*t, fake, zombies, robots," etc.  I found out the hard way that judgmentalism of that calibre makes one feel pretty much nothing but alone.  Then I came to the opinion that cultivating an awareness of one's own divine spark has a lot to do with honoring it in others.

Maybe I haven't really answered your post at all...This was my reaction...

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

4 (edited by Stephen M 2005-04-23 21:58:58)

Re: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

Haven wrote:

My own view is that everything is essentially a way to understand one's self.  Is perhaps taking sides, projecting our own psychology onto external reality, not something for the common man, and if we, even as we imagine ourselves to be enlightened, do the same thing, are we not any better than the common person, different in our beliefs but the same in our methods?  What, of importance, has been accomplished?  Are we any more compassionate, any more of an ideal that would be deemed desirable?  Does anyone understand the irony of the common person to dismiss the beliefs of hyper-dimensional beings or UFOs, and the inability of those who consider themselves of a higher vibration to accept something other than their view of their world with as much if not more ridicule and vehemence?  Are we to look down on the common man without seeing our own actions that are essentially the same? 

True enlightenment, I believe, is to be more of an observer, to learn from our life without taking sides, avoiding externalization and projection.  Without these practices, we are all merely subject to our own desires, emotional desires that are hidden from ourselves and make us no better than the common man many "enlightened" tend to pity.

In the end, perhaps it is the point of enlightenment to be aware without investing in illusions to the point of compromising our own detachment, and to respect those who are in their own process.

I've been thinking along these same lines myself and am in agreement. One thing I'm learning that ties in with this is that in 3d land, we are only capable of experiencing things from the perspective of what our reality filters (which we created for ourselves, perhaps for survival means) allow us to. All the experiences that come through that filter piggyback on top of one another to expand ones version of reality, yet it is still only your reality. You may share some of the same aspects with others but everybodys perspective is completely unique whether they like it or not and some (most?) try to conform to a percieved norm (that in an infnite world does not exist) that is also a product of the reality filter they created.

In this sense we are all dependent on one another to learn about the big picture as no one person is allowed to have all the answers and live to talk about it (kind of a cosmic spy thang) and who is to judge who's contribution is any more valuable than who's? Another human being with the same limitations as any other? Don't think so.

Coming to this realization has helped me love myself and all the other assholes running around this stupid planet a little bit more.

SM

Re: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

Oh yeah...maybe I'm dense here but I forgot to ask...how does Jerry Mcguire tie in?

SM

Re: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

I feel it relates to fear versus irrational fear. Real fear that functions as a genuine warning signal, and then irrational fear based on lack of information and prejudice; something withheld.  The latter which I feel makes up an overall mental tension that is haltering evolution or prevents self-insight so to speak.  And, as I have talked about in a previous post, mentality of different kinds, is also energy,- on a certain frequency. 
H

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Re: Going all Jerry McGuire and stuff

Steiner wrote:

A man who does not look deeper but simple[sic] lets himself be accepted into a certain party-circle - by reason of his education, heredity, circumstances of life and State - quite honestly believes - or so he thinks - in the possibility of proving the tenets of the party into which he has slipped, as he says. And then - then he fights against someone else who has slipped into another party! And the one is just as right as the other. This calls forth chaos and confusion over mankind that will gradually become greater and greater unless men see through it.