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Topic: Who are the Aryans?

I have always been curious as to what the term "Aryan" REALLY means. We agree that Hitler's pseudo-litterate version of the word (=Somebody blond with blue eyes, over 5'10" and having no moles) was pure crazy sh%t.
There are some who argue that this word really refers to some pre-Flood races, to the original unhabitants of India (or Egypt), to some relatively pure DNA strains (regardless of skin color), to alien DNA strains (regardless of skin color), to the "Israelites" of the Bible (which may simply be a metaphor for "God's Race" or "God's People"?), does it refer to the 144,000 Chosen Fews who the Bible say will see the Kingdom of God after Judgment Day? Does it refer to a "superior race" (even if it is only meant as a metaphor as opposed to a "skin color")?


Note: This is meant to be a discussion on the true meaning behind the word "Aryan", not a debate
on "superiority", "inferiority", "apeness" or "mamalness", let's not play "shocking views", we are civilized human beings, hey?

Re: Who are the Aryans?

Hi  I_like_Athm_too!                                                                                                the c's materal has some mention of Aryans. 26 times the word is mentioned you can download the c's in the files section it has a search function.Good reading to

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Re: Who are the Aryans?

I remember a friend who spend many years meditating with a guru in India telling me about a tall, fair race who lived in Northern India - called the Aryans.  Maybe these are connected?  There's more at the link below:

http://jainsamaj.org/literature/his-2312.htm wrote:

ARYANS AND THE ORIGINS OF THE HINDUISM

If rainfall declined in the Indus region between 1800 and 1700 BCE, around 1500 BCE it increased again, making the Indus Plain better able to support life. It was between 1500 and 1200 that an illiterate, pastoral people migrated from the steppe lands of central Russia through what is now Afghanistan, through the Kyber Pass and onto the sparsely populated Indus Plain. These migrants were to be called Aryans and to be classified as Indo-Europeans, their speech having been related to all modern European languages except Basque, Finnish and Hungarian.

The Aryans came to the Indus Plain on horseback and oxcart, in waves separated perhaps by decades or longer. Like other pastoral people, they were warriors. They had two-wheeled chariots like the Hyksos, and coming through the mountains and the Kyber Pass they had the precious wheels of their chariots packed away on their carts.

The Aryans were familiar with prowling and hunting with bow and arrow. They enjoyed chariot racing, gambling and fighting. Like other pastoral peoples, men dominated the women. Like the pastoral Hebrews each family was ruled by an authoritarian male. And each Aryan tribe was ruled by a king called a raja, who felt obliged to consult with tribal councils.
GODS, CREATION AND HUMAN MORTALITY

Like other pastoral people, the Aryan invaders were storytellers. They brought with them to the Indus region their centuries old sacred hymns, myths and oral history -- stories that expressed their desire to please the gods. Like the Hebrews, the Aryans who invaded India had a father god of the heaven, sky and atmosphere: Dyaus Pitar (sky father). They had a male god of thunder and rain called Indra, who was a god also of that other awesome disturbance -- war. Indra was also called the "breaker of forts." And he was what the Aryan men thought a man should be: a warrior with courage, strength and energy who enjoyed drinking and making war.

The Aryans had a god of fire they called Agni. To the Aryans, Agni was fire, and they believed that Agni hungrily devoured the animals that they sacrificed in their rituals of burning. These sacrifices were performed by priests to obtain from their gods the gifts of children, success in war, wealth, health, longevity, food, drink or anything else that contributed to their happiness.

The Aryans enjoyed singing around their campfires, and they had a hymn about creation. Like many other creation myths, theirs described the world as beginning with the kind of creation they understood: birth. They believed that their father god, Dyaus Pitar, the embodiment of sky, had mated with his own daughter, the goddess that was earth.

A later Aryan version of The Creation reads as follows:

In the beginning was nothing, neither heaven nor earth nor space in between. Then Non-being became spirit and said: "Let me be!" He warmed himself, and from this was born fire. He warmed himself further, and from this was born light.

The Aryans had a story that described humanity as having been created with virtue and everlasting life. According to this story, the gods were concerned that humanity would become gods like themselves, and to guard against this the gods plotted humanity's downfall. The gods talked Dyaus Pitar into creating a woman who lusted after sensual pleasures and who aroused sexual desires in men. According to this story, the world had become overcrowded because humankind lived forever like the gods. So Dyaus Pitar decided to make humankind mortal, and he created the goddess Death -- not a goddess who ruled over death, but death itself. This creation of mortality for humankind pleased the gods, for it left them separate and of a higher rank than humans.

According to this story, Dyaus Pitar proclaimed that he did not create the goddess Death from anger. And the goddess Death was at first reluctant to carry out the task assigned her, but she finally did so, while weeping. Her tears were diseases that brought death at an appropriate time. To create more death, the goddess Death created desire and anger in people -- emotions that led to their killing each other.

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

Re: Who are the Aryans?

That is interesting. And yes, Hitler's view was certainly skewed to say the least.

I have heard and read that anthropologists who insist that there are 4 human anthropological races on the planet only say that Indians (India) are anthropilogically "Caucasoid," If I have spelled that correctly.

So I find that history above very interesting.

Now personally, I think there is only one race, on the planet, the human race, but which is made up of many, many other races, non-terrestrial in origin. But the history, I believe, is so old, that much has been lost to the ages. I am only speaking of the outside picture. OP's etc., aside for a moment. But then energetically/spiritually, that is when the others (reptilans, OP's and such) come into play. On that level, there are many,  many races running loose on the planet. And in some cases I think those as different from us as the reptilians present as physically different, as well, when not disguised as human beings.

Jalaila Starr says that the humans originated in another galaxy and that earth was once part of a much bigger planet called Piamet (sp?). I have heard her interviewed but have not yet read her books. They are next on the list (so many interesting books out there!) It is her perspective that the human form was created to house various types of energies so many races could come here from the great 'elsewhere' and work out their differences.  She is also one who calls calls this the "Grand Experiment."

Two of her inteviews can be heard for free on the archives @:

feet2fire.com

http://www.innersites.com/feet2fire/past-shows.htm

Dates:
March 14, 2004
June 17, 2004

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Re: Who are the Aryans?

Cipher wrote:

...or quoted rather:

A later Aryan version of The Creation reads as follows:

In the beginning was nothing, neither heaven nor earth nor space in between. Then Non-being became spirit and said: "Let me be!" He warmed himself, and from this was born fire. He warmed himself further, and from this was born light.

The Aryans had a story that described humanity as having been created with virtue and everlasting life. According to this story, the gods were concerned that humanity would become gods like themselves, and to guard against this the gods plotted humanity's downfall. The gods talked Dyaus Pitar into creating a woman who lusted after sensual pleasures and who aroused sexual desires in men. According to this story, the world had become overcrowded because humankind lived forever like the gods. So Dyaus Pitar decided to make humankind mortal, and he created the goddess Death -- not a goddess who ruled over death, but death itself. This creation of mortality for humankind pleased the gods, for it left them separate and of a higher rank than humans.

According to this story, Dyaus Pitar proclaimed that he did not create the goddess Death from anger. And the goddess Death was at first reluctant to carry out the task assigned her, but she finally did so, while weeping. Her tears were diseases that brought death at an appropriate time. To create more death, the goddess Death created desire and anger in people -- emotions that led to their killing each other.

That sounds nice and sparkly!

but this one...

Cipher wrote:

"And he was what the Aryan men thought a man should be: a warrior with courage, strength and energy who enjoyed drinking and making war."

...doesn't, but that might just be my spark-detector being jammed.

Thanks Troops, will check the sources.