Topic: I give up!!!

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That's it!  I officially only care about here and now (and the future).  I will take only the ideas I walk away with from any texts that I read and that is all, since that is all that is real.  I will not place too much emphasis on the veracity of any conjecture other than it being more plausible or not, but, in the end, even plausibility doesn't go very far in the discovery of truth.  It doesn't matter what Joe Blow did 1000 years ago, only what the story of Joe Blow can teach me in my daily life is all that matters.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

2 (edited by Vuyiswa 2005-01-28 01:00:25)

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What have you given up?.

Unless I am misunderstanding you, it sounds like you are fully engaging in the present. The gift of living in the moment. History is important to me. As Malcolm X put it: "You can't know where you are going, without knowing where you have been".

I wish you what you would wish for yourself. Enjoy the ride.

V

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Same here.

I was just thinking about the same thing the other day. I'm bored of lies, manipulations, dis/misinformations etc.

So, I thought "that's it". My "intuition/gut feeling" revolved after finishing God's Gladiators and declared independency. My ego and rational mind is strictly against it but they have no "armed force" to silence it - the list that is on God's Gladiators thread is for weakening the forces of ego and overactive mind. I think after some time and stable work, one may weaken these unnecessary forces.
After all, it's rational mind that accepts everything that is told to us and it's soo arrogant that it accepts none other thought or view. It's always ready to ridicule all the different choices!

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

4 (edited by lyra 2005-01-28 06:38:38)

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I hear you Haven.........I clicked on that link and pretty much had the same reaction as you.   !   smile   

I look at it this way........certain histories are important, for instance, one's family history.  That's pretty important I think to know who one's ancestors are, where they came from, what their lives were like, etc.   I think immediate history is imporant, and obviously provable....but even modern history has been distorted!   Events from only 150 - 200 years ago have already been tweaked and "readjusted."   It's ridiculous.   

Whether or not that book "History: Fact or Fiction?" is true, it does bring up an important question..................how much of what we believe and take on faith is   a)  Actually true and b) Actually worth believing and taking on faith??!   

So with that question in mind it's probably not a bad idea to comb through what one has been taught and selectively pick and choose what they're going to invest their energy in believing and taking on faith.  One may even decide to throw all of it out the window.  I believe much of what we're taught, even certain histories, is of actual little value to us, and not something that we ever pull out of our brains when surviving day to day life and trying to evolve spiritually.  We'll never know whether Jesus was real, and if so, when and where he lived and what he was really like.  We'll never know the true history of ancient Egypt, how old the pyramids really are, and whether aliens were actually involved.  We'll never know what exactly was made up and altered by the clergy and secret societies when writing and transcribing "historical" texts.    Very few people were put in charge of a whole lot of information and with funnnels like that....anything can happen.  We''ll never know.  So we need to pick and choose what we're going to invest our energy in.   I think most of "history" and even the exciting and intriguing "alternative history" is a time waste and energy distractor.   It's not relevent to what we need to do right here, right now.  I came to this conclusion after getting involved in the alternative history myself over the past few years...then realizing....what is the point???   It's all unprovable, and really no different from a really good TV show or movie when you think about it! 

Here's a thought for everybody:   Various ancient cultures and relatively recent indiginous cultures probably only were focused on their own history, and didn't / couldn't ever know the history of the rest of mankind around the world.  But it didn't matter...they still did fine.  I'd be willing to bet they had happier more fulfilling lives than the majority of modern people, despite their "lack" of knowledge of all of mankind's history and prior ancient civilizations. Modern man has access to all these books and knowledge and college classes which purport to inform us about history and anthrapology and mankind's role in the universe but most of it is inaccurate.  So are we any better off, living in our illusions and false beliefs, feeling smug, like we know something?   Are we better off then those indiginous cultures and various ancient civilizations who were cut off from others and really only knew their own history?    I'd say not!

Just a thought....!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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5 (edited by Cipher 2005-01-29 15:58:04)

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I put a small comment in the Wiki about history a while ago

http://noblerealms.org/wiki/index.php/History

Maybe we could expand it with some of the great thoughts in this topic? smile

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

6 (edited by elvisalpha 2005-02-01 04:34:03)

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Haven
Thanks for that great link, it really made me think about a lot of things. I wouldn't go so far as living just for the moment and putting aside my/worlds past. I am a creation of those events in the past, and if right now they don't make any sense anymore, I'm going to look for an answer whether I like it or not just like Fomenko. All this created history, has its roots in real events, once those found everything will make sense.
  There is one question that comes to my mind after reading that link:
  If the whole modern look of the history was created in the Middle Ages. What was the purpose of this "cover up"? Was it made in ignorance or with an intent purpose? If we answer this we might find an answer to why we have been "laid" so far if all of this was done with intent!!!!!!
  Fomenko's book takes me back to a thought I had in the past: If indeed the whole ancient history we where thought in schools, is no older than 2000 years it would be consequent with the history of the pre-Columbian civilizations in the Central and South America. All of their buildings and civilizations started to appear in the beginning of the 5th century AD. Still we are thought that the first humans arrived in the Americas some 10.000 to 12.000 years ago. I was always wondering what they did all those years. Did they just take a sight seeing tour of the continents???? Now What if they just came 1.500 -2.000 Years a go and did what they did in the old world start building it sounds more logical.
   Has anyone else asked this about the pre-Columbian civilizations?

lyra wrote:

..... we need to pick and choose what we're going to invest our energy in.   I think most of "history" and even the exciting and intriguing "alternative history" is a time waste and energy distractor.   It's not relevent to what we need to do right here, right now.  I came to this conclusion after getting involved in the alternative history myself over the past few years...then realizing....what is the point???   It's all unprovable, and really no different from a really good TV show or movie when you think about it!

Lyra I have one thing to say to your forth paragraph. Some wise guy said a long time ago: "The truth shall set you free" (Jesus). Whether he lived 2.000 or 1000 years ago or whether he lived at all he had a point in saying this. I think we are connected to the past and if we understand it we can grow and not make the same mistakes that where done in the past. It is not a waste of time and energy. Other wise we act like spoiled children that only care about themselves. If the alternative history was created intentionally we need to know why? Other wise it can happen all over again, it can happen to us and to our children.

  PS: If all of this is true it means that about 1.500 years ago there was a boom in science and technology. How was this possible? Anyone can answer this?

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That's an interesting link. There's some interesting new research that just came out on who really authored the Almagest. See http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld … -columnone  Ptolemy stole his data from Hipparchus, who came up with it *300 years* earlier.

"Admire the Almagest, which lies as the foundation to the entire edifice of contemporary chronology! It is supposed to have been written in the II century AD by Ptolemy, the founding father of astronomy. This presumably antediluvian tractate catalogues 1028 observable stars with a precision of 10'-15' (arc minutes) of longitude. Now, the rotation of the Earth makes the night sky make a turn of 1 arc degree every four minutes. One arc degree consists of 60 arc minutes, which means that the sky rotation speed equals 15' (arc minutes) per one minute of time. Ptolemy's precise measurements were too precise to have been performed with the existing instruments of that time. either a sundial, a clepsydra, or an hourglass. Could he have used his Grandfather's Swiss chronometer that had a minute hand? This seems most improbable considering that minute hands are a novelty introduced to clocks as recently as 1550 AD."

From what I could tell, Fomenko's book adjusts history to fit with conventional ideas of when technology became available. This is a fatal flaw, which is itself based on very conventional and naive assumptions about how our civilization evolved.  What would the author do with an artifact like the maps of the ancient sea kings (charles hapgood)  that show the poles free of ice?

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