Stuart Wilde (Page 12 of 17)

It's crazy people over the past four years who've behaved like "einjun" did here, even talking like him.  But I'm not getting into it as it's off topic and only serves to derail the thread.   Let's move on.  Back to Stuie....

LOL-- Closing Years of Humanity Sale!

Well here's a little even-more-inside info on Stuie's "club".
I have a friend who's signed up to go on one of the Ecuadorian aya adventures in the near future.

From what he's "allowed" to tell me (or maybe not quite allowed) the first step was signing a disclaimer that specified "no eating of meat, alcohol or sugar, no sex, no telling where the site is, no telling what happens when you 'fly with Aya'...no leaving the premisies, no bringing other people"...and so on.

OK, I'm mostly cool with it so far, ayahuasca is technically or actually illegal in most countries and Stuart has to set up parameters for the retreat. I suppose he needs some sort of legal protections, though I'm not sure how much protection a document like that would provide other than they're able to send you home for being bad while they keep the cash.

The next bit is where it goes over the top for me. When signing up for the Redeemer's Club it states in the bylaws that Stuie expects you " to practice the power of silence when it comes to the info, as your integrity will be monitored by your own personal 'watchers', and you will reap your own rewards or just desserts..."

WTF?

If there's one thing we need to do together to get through whatever it is this planet is going through it's that we share information. In my understanding the "power of silence" doesn't usually refer to the suppression of information or forced secrecy about our experiences.

I read the e-mail to another friend, one who happens to have spent a number of years deeply involved with Elizabeth Clare Prophet, and his 'cult alarms' went off in every direction, which was exactly my thinking when I read that stuff.

I'm not trying to pass judgment on what Stuart is up to. I haven't physically seen the Redeemer's Club document so there's some possibility for a mistaken interpretation of it's text. Also, I don't know him, haven't been to a workshop or even a book signing, and can only say I've really liked most of what he writes...even the new "morph" material. Hopefully he knows what's best for himself and his disciples' evolution, but the creation of a fear based thoughtform: "personal watchers", who will administer justice for talking about an experience is just a step too far into the dark side for me. If anyone has a can put a positive spin on this, I'd like to hear it because I can't think of one.

I haven't responded to the e-mail yet, but when I do I'm going to counsel him to pay close attention to what's going on around him when he's doing his R-club activities, and to keep some kind of guard up and not place all his trust in the group or Stuart. I'd like to do a lot more counseling than that but don't think I'd make much of an impression. He should have been tipped off already by the language in the documents, and wasn't. He's just excited to be going, and is mostly worried about getting into better physical condition.

Hi Katru,

I noticed you referencing Elizabeth Clare Prophet in the same sentence as 'cult' and 'alarm'.  Could i ask you if you have investigated her work for yourself?  She published over 50 books on spiritual and metaphysical subjects over about 40 yrs.  I've read a few and thought they were quite profound.  I've also listened to recordings of her lectures on similar subjects.  I find it's always best to go to the source material to make judgements and just wondered if you had in this instance.

Seeing this is about 'Stew', you might not want to derail this topic and might prefer to email me.

As for Stuie, and please someone correct me if i've got him wrong, but anyone who teaches people to 'drug up' and then search for the [external] interdimentional portal in order to escape with the physical body has got to be on a drug high from which he has not yet come down. 

But just thinking about the "whole" thing, if you lived in Alberquerque that portal would be at "90 degrees to the left" of Alberquerque... that is if you were facing in the proper direction.  But i shouln't be too serious about it.

Granted i know nothing of his earlier work which, from the sound of these posts, might have been a lot better quality but it seems that Stu has quite a sense of humour and a talent for writing.   I wonder if it's possible that he is knowingly pulling everyone's leg and is just pushing the limits out of personal bordom with the whole thing.  Knowing a little bit about his personality i find it hard to accept that he believes himself.

Hi Khatru,

I was glad to see you say this.  I couldn't agree more that it needs to be done "under the right circumstances."  If people could see the astral bodies of those that have used drugs of any kind (including Aya) to remove the filters and force an opening to other dimensional awareness they wouldn't believe the scarring that occurrs over time.  This includes those shamans who have resorted to their use.  Said use is absolutely unnecessary.  Stick to meditation, mantras, soul traveling, shamanic journeying, or whatever.  But please think twice before cutting up your inner bodies with psychs.

I respectfully have to disagree with your assertion that "Said use is absolutely unnecessary." Maybe for you, but certainly not for everybody. I definitely do not think that meditation, mantras et all are necessarily an equal substitute for the psychedelic experience. For you to make that statement credibly, first we'd have to establish that you have sizable experience with both, and then, even if you had, the next consideration would be whether or not one influenced or subverted the potential of the other. Even then it's an entirely subjective declaration...or at least it is from my subjective observations of this planet, right now.

I've heard all that about the scarring of the astral body. The first people I heard it from were the Eckankar folks and the second were the I Am/Elizabeth Clare Prophet people, both of whom had an obvious self interest in protecting themselves from anyone seeing around their corners. This left me suspicious of both the accuracy and the motivation for this idea being put forth (not that I'm questioning your possible accuracy or motivations -- it's just background). That being said, even though I don't "see" astral bodies, I can go along with the possibility that some kinds of damage may occur. And so what? Physical bodies heal and so will astral bodies. Some people need to take the risk or they'll never see past the programming, limitations and disconnections that rule their lives. Never. Even if they had the willpower to meditate 12 hours a day, they still aren't going to break through and plug into that roaring information stream or feel their connection to the Earth and the living universe in a way that will rock their world and change them permanently. 
If my eyes were glued shut and the only way I could see was to cut them open, I'd do it in a heartbeat and worry about how it looked and what kind of infection I could get, later. I would not spend 20 years using eye drops in the hopes of accomplishing the same.

It's very curious to me (in the same way that the "house cats are part gray" thread is curious) that psilocin just happens to be absorbed by the body by mimicking the shape of the serotonin molecule so that it will 'fit' into the brain's serotonin receptors.
Then there's this essay from Terrence McKenna on the symbiotic relationship between humans and the mushroom:

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/McKenna/mushroom.html

Maybe, sometime in the distant past, we, as hyperdimensional travelers, recognized that we might manifest as a species which was prone to falling asleep and left it here for ourselves in the future....but that's just crazy talk.

But isn't just about everybody "vulnerable to negative forces"? I think it's much more dangerous to be Catholic, or go into church at all (I'll be nondenominational about it), or the mall, or to be in the military, or work as banker or lawyer or for a chemical company. We're vulnerable if we have sex, drink a beer, have relationships, or if we're ever angry, greedy or spend the evening watching Saw 3. Let's face it. Life is going to kill us all. I'm down with Lyra's tag line about "skidding in sideways, worn out and shouting 'holy shit'"...and that goes for my astral body as well. I believe in eternity, both for me and for everyone else, but right now, at this very moment, I don't think we have all of eternity to begin waking up and paying attention. So if we need to eat fungus or aya, or go the "natural route" with a 10 day water fast or do whatever it takes to make that happen, so be it.

Anyway, to come full circle and return to the subject of Stuart Wilde: the assertion that ayahuasca has been responsible for his recently questionable behavior is something I don't see either. The aya is most likely responsible for opening him up to "the morph", which seems to be sort of an access point or window to multidimensional observation. His possible tendencies towards becoming a cult leader are more likely connected to an ego situation that he's dealing with by acting it out in this timeline. Psychedelics are usually more associated with the death of ego. Then later, when a person thinks about how smart and insightful they've become now that they've experienced ego death, the ego tends to grow right back and bigger than ever...true for religious folks as well.

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