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Topic: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

This is continuing the discussion from the "terms and abbreviations" thread about the moral/ethical/spiritual implications of earth being a loosh (life force energy) farm.

To repost Neomatrix's summary of what Robert Monroe learned about loosh during his astral voyages:

Neomatrix wrote:
montalk wrote:

Loosh - another term for lifeforce/emotional/spiritual energy. Term coined by Robert Monroe in his astral voyages where, upon interacting with nonphysical entities, he learned this energy was called "loosh" and that mankind was being farmed for this energy.

Just a clarification about that, though. A common misconception about this Loosh harvesting often arises from people only telling one side of that story. Whereas Monroe initially fell into a rather severe depression when he discovered this system, he later was shown exactly how this Loosh energy was being utilized. I'm going to give a quick review of it because it is definitely worthy of consideration. Bear in mind though that, as Bob himself was told, it is hard to put universal processes into a perspective that can be unequivocally understood by our human minds.

Earth, it would appear, was the creation of a "Someone" coming from "Somewhere" for the purposes of cultivating this Loosh harvest. Apparently, Loosh is of great value in Somewhere, but is relatively scarce and hard to find. This Someone coming from Somewhere was the being/entity/intelligence that created the Earth Life System that we see in effect upon this planet today. In the course of experimentation, it was discovered that Loosh was emitted in a very unrefined state as a natural by-product of the carbon/oxygen life cycle taking place on Earth.

In the earliest stages -- what we know of as single-celled aquatic lifeforms -- this unrefined Loosh could only be harvested in small quantities at the exact moment of death. Later experimentation brought about plants which were higher-order Loosh producers than the unicellular initial lifeforms; even later experiments yielded larger mobile animals that emitted better quality (though still unrefined) Loosh. The best quality Loosh was eventually found to be produced during the struggle-for-survival conflicts that took place between the smaller, less well-armed mobiles (that consumed the plants) and the bigger, stronger predators (that consumed the smaller mobiles). These were what we now call the dinosaurs.

Although these mobiles produced much better quality Loosh, they were found to be too large and too long in lifespan to be practical in the long term. In one single motion, Someone terminated the life spans of these creatures (i.e. the extinction of the dinosaurs event), and quickly replaced them with smaller and faster mobile units which resulted in even higher Loosh output.

As a side experiment, Someone also created a very different form of mobile -- humans. Although comparatively weak and ineffective, this variety of mobile could take energy from both plants and animals. Also, Someone pulled forth a Piece of Himself to act as a very unique catalyst. This new mobile would be subjected to a strong need for constant mobility, always seeking reunion with the Whole (in Somewhere) from which Someone came.

Although it came as a great surprise to Someone, it was from this side experiment that pure and distilled Loosh was found to be automatically created. It was generated when those units were in conflict with other units to protect their young offspring, and also generated in large amounts when they felt lonely. When one of these lonely units sensed the presence of Someone, it began to cry and generated large amounts of very high-order Loosh energy.

Someone then included this fundamental baseline in his formula: "The creation of pure, distilled Loosh is brought forth in humans by the action of unfulfillment, but only if such pattern is enacted at a vibratory level above the sensory bounds of the environment. The greater the intensity of said pattern, the greater the output of Loosh distillate."

This feeling of loneliness was also magnified by splitting all mobiles into two genders, ever seeking reunion with each other. The most common "tools" to promote production of Loosh are things like love, friendship, family, greed, hate, pain, guilt, disease, pride, ambition, ownership, possession, sacrifice -- and on a larger scale, nations, provincialism, wars, famine, religion, machines, freedom, industry, trade, etc. Given this, it should be apparent that Loosh production today would be at an all-time high.

So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.

Additionally, whilst the concept of Someone from Somewhere would fit very neatly into our human ideals of God and Heaven, Monroe was told that Someone was a creator that was created, and that Somewhere itself is a system that was created. Interesting stuff indeed!

Thanks for listening smile

In response to the last two paragraphs, Tom Paine wrote:

Tom Paine wrote:

Neomatrix's post on Robert Monroe's writings seems to be an apologia
for the lizards.  We're just good guys and we're only doing our job--
like the Nazis said at Nuremburg.  How do YOU like being considered
a Chia Pet by the "creator"?  Those in the 4th density must "LOVE US"
like we "love" the fragrance of the finest essential oils from the
plant world and we "love" the taste of the flesh of various 2nd density
animals.  If this is an example of the food chain here in 3rd density
then what's so wonderful about that?  Ah but it's all part of the loosh
spectrum of radiation?  Sounds like an ADDICTION to me.  There
needs to be a twelve-step program to exit this stupid universe.

I see here two ends of the spectrum - one saying that since we were created to produce loosh, we should neither counter our negative emotions nor have problems with the fact that we're still being farmed for them, and the other end of the spectrum saying this loosh farming is an injustice  being perpetrated by cosmic criminals.

So which is it? Or is it relative, or perhaps something in between, or something beyond either possibility?

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

It is none of those things. Attempting to color such universal processes with such right/wrong polarity thinking, although a typical feature of our human mindset, is really quite unnecessary in this regard. If this loosh radiation wasn't being taken from us, what would we do with it? Store it? For what purpose? Energy only exists when expressed, so what would be the point in generating such energy if it were not to be used? The loosh system itself has nothing to do with the reptilians, although it is possible that they and other entities may feed off of various lower frequency components of the loosh spectrum. Tom Paine's posting on the matter only exposes his victim mentality thinking in relation to this.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe
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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

As they might say, one being's loosh waste is another being's loosh treasure. People do produce negatively flavored loosh, and it's only natural that beings exist that feed on this.

But there's a difference between gathering loosh and farming it - the first feeds where there's an opportunity, the second induces that opportunity. It's like the difference between old forms of advertising and more modern ones - old ones catered to an existing demand, modern ones find ways to create demand.

What I'm saying is, there's some serious potential for the infringement of freewill when the negative loosh consumers want more than the human race can naturally supply by experiencing the consequences of their own ignorantly chosen actions. More loosh requires greater ignorance and suffering than is natural. It's one thing to let a cow be free (ideal), another to milk a cow (compromise), and quite something else to pump it full of hormones until its udder is on the verge of rupturing from amped up milk production (violation).

Furthermore, we can radiate positive loosh and negative loosh, so why are these beings so interested in only the latter? Obviously because it corresponds to their makeup. Whether we produce positive or negative loosh is a choice -- as long as we live and feel, we will radiate loosh, no doubt about that, but what type it is depends on how we choose to emotionally reciprocate what we perceive. But since there's a bloated vested interest in strictly negative loosh production by the farmers of mankind, you can see why I say this borders on freewill violation, since they are quick to suppress any choice on the part of the individual to produce positive loosh instead.

Furthemore, that humans as a whole can, and tend to, produce negative loosh doesn't mean every individual is predestined to supply it. If they can choose to do otherwise, then so be it. If they choose to transmute negative loosh into positive, then so be it. In that case, energy is not repressed, but rather expressed. But it is expressed in a form that liberates and feeds our own higher spiritual functions rather than the baser functions of those that feed upon us. It's one thing to accept that 3D mankind will always be food, which I have come to terms with, but if you extend this to imply that we as individuals should tolerate negative loosh farming in our own lives then I have to disagree solely because we have the choice to do otherwise, despite having no choice over how mankind as a whole behaves.

As for us eating and possessing animals and plants, yeah it really isn't that different from higher negative forces eating and 'possessing' us. What both have in common is that feeding and possessing happens because it can - if a cow can break free and live on its own without detection, then all the best to that cow. But most stay penned up because they don't have the power or intelligence to resist. Likewise, humans who are farmed, are farmed because they can be farmed. But notice the fallacy in claiming this destines cows to be food for us, and that likewise we are destined to supply negative forces with negative loosh, that we have a right to eat cows and reps and others have a right to eat us. Why is this a fallacy? Because in our case, being that we can choose to transmute negative into positive or output positive loosh in the first place, it not necessarily our individual destiny to do be negative loosh providers, and so higher forces don't have a "right" so much as a temporary ability to feed, an ability that can be thwarted the moment the 'victim' chooses to no longer be one.

Besides, there are higher positive forces as well. And even with the animals and plants, there's a positive alternative. We can revel in the beauty of a flower, we can pet a wild animal if it lets us, etc... without killing or possessing them. But unfortunately we are STS and must kill and eat something to survive, kill and eat what we can, so for us to avoid that same fate regarding higher predators it's either a matter of us becoming stronger than their feeding abilities, which just might be part of that 12 step program out of this 3D universe as TP suggested, something to escape the food chain altogether.

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

I guess I see loosh as kind of like mushrooms. They form real quick, and can only be "harvested" for a short time. They weren't created specifically for us to harvest, they are just there, for those who can identify them.

Now due to the level if ignorance, and lack of personal responsibilty in this day and age, factors can be set up to allow for mushrooms to always be harvested. The mushrooms can be transplanted so to speak, to an area where the contitions are always perfect for producing lots of mushrooms. They don't realize this has happened and therefore it is not a violation of their "freewill".

But if that mushroom suddenly says, "What the hell happened to the trees?" and changes it's mind and gets transplanted back to where it was then it may still get farmed but the amount of loosh is less, and the "quality" may not be what this "harvester" likes. As the mushroom takes responsibility and gains knowledge, the loosh can change even more.

Now if the mushroom legitimately says "I want replanted over there." and they remain held where they are...then it is a violation of "freewill".

Lets face it, people don't realize their possibilities any more or their potential. They choose the victim mentality, so it can easily be set up that just about everything in their life can get perceived as negative by that individual. "Mysticism" has essentially been bread out. The egocentricity (there is no other life form out there is generally excepted, though a lot will say " I think there is other life out there."

It's a corney analogy I know but it is the best I could think of for my level of understanding.

The Human Nature is towards producing negative loosh, until we wake up and realize we don't have to be that way. Then we can produce higher viibrations/loosh.

Just my thoughts.

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity
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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

montalk wrote:

But there's a difference between gathering loosh and farming it - the first feeds where there's an opportunity, the second induces that opportunity. It's like the difference between old forms of advertising and more modern ones - old ones catered to an existing demand, modern ones find ways to create demand.

Gathering and farming are much the same when taken from a traditional standpoint. I thoroughly agree that the difference here is in tampering with a natural system for the purposes of producing a more specific (and limited) end result.

montalk wrote:

What I'm saying is, there's some serious potential for the infringement of freewill when the negative loosh consumers want more than the human race can naturally supply by experiencing the consequences of their own ignorantly chosen actions. More loosh requires greater ignorance and suffering than is natural. It's one thing to let a cow be free (ideal), another to milk a cow (compromise), and quite something else to pump it full of hormones until its udder is on the verge of rupturing from amped up milk production (violation).

Hmmmn. It isn't really a question of quantity, it is more a question of "flavor". A better, more accurate metaphor (albeit a little silly sounding -- I did my best!) might be one in which the cows were genetically tampered with to produce strawberry flavored milk and pretty much nothing else.

montalk wrote:

Furthermore, we can radiate positive loosh and negative loosh, so why are these beings so interested in only the latter?

Loosh is loosh and comes in only one variety. There is no positive or negative loosh, but refined loosh can be created from a compound admixture of what we term positive and negative emotions. It is the negative emotions from which these invader beings are taking their nourishment. More on this in a moment.

montalk wrote:

Obviously because it corresponds to their makeup. Whether we produce positive or negative loosh is a choice

In this case, though, the choice is pretty much akin to one being made with a gun pointed at one's head. Humans have been genetically tampered with in the past to ensure a high output of negative emotions (fear, greed, etc). This was done by shutting off our connection to our infinite selves, thereby allowing our inbuilt animalistic/predatory nature to come to the fore.

montalk wrote:

as long as we live and feel, we will radiate loosh, no doubt about that, but what type it is depends on how we choose to emotionally reciprocate what we perceive.

Well, we may not ever radiate pure loosh, but we are always radiating our emotions which are loosh components. Such things are really just energetic frequency responses produced within consciousness and emitted outwards.

montalk wrote:

But since there's a bloated vested interest in strictly negative loosh production by the farmers of mankind, you can see why I say this borders on freewill violation, since they are quick to suppress any choice on the part of the individual to produce positive loosh instead.

It isn't really a freewill violation in that sense. The farmers of mankind could only do this to us in the first place because they have freewill also. It has however created an imbalance that needs to be restored.

montalk wrote:

Furthemore, that humans as a whole can, and tend to, produce negative loosh doesn't mean every individual is predestined to supply it. If they can choose to do otherwise, then so be it. If they choose to transmute negative loosh into positive, then so be it. In that case, energy is not repressed, but rather expressed. But it is expressed in a form that liberates and feeds our own higher spiritual functions rather than the baser functions of those that feed upon us. It's one thing to accept that 3D mankind will always be food, which I have come to terms with, but if you extend this to imply that we as individuals should tolerate negative loosh farming in our own lives then I have to disagree solely because we have the choice to do otherwise, despite having no choice over how mankind as a whole behaves.

The problem here is that we have two things going on. We have a natural system of loosh production that feeds energy back to the Source/Prime Creator for its own purposes. This energy supply is used in the process of creation at all levels of reality. But this natural system was invaded and subverted about 300,000 years ago by those lovely folks we call the Annunaki that are referred to in the Sumerian tablets. They altered our DNA in such a way as to ensure more negative emotional responses. Marciniak's Pleiadians mentioned this in Bringers of the Dawn, page 16:

"Some entities, in the process of their own evolution, began to discover that as they created life and put consciousness into things through modulating the frequencies of forms of consciousness, they could feed themselves; they could keep themselves in charge. They began to figure out that this is how Prime Creator nourished itself. Prime Creator sends out others to create an electromagnetic frequency of consciousness as a food source for itself.

"The new owners of this planet had a different appetite and different preferences than the former owners. They nourished themselves with chaos and fear. These things fed them, stimulated them, and kept them in power."

montalk wrote:

Because in our case, being that we can choose to transmute negative into positive or output positive loosh in the first place, it not necessarily our individual destiny to do be negative loosh providers, and so higher forces don't have a "right" so much as a temporary ability to feed, an ability that can be thwarted the moment the 'victim' chooses to no longer be one.

This is what is happening en masse on this planet at this time, in an effort to restore the balance. Only time will tell if this is successful at this point in our history.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe
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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Since it's a matter of "flavor"....how'z about we get some chocolate milk out of that cow? Strawberry's okay, but choco-cow's my pref.

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Thank you Montalk and Neomatrix for clarifying and expounding on this
subject.  I think Montalk got the gist of what I was getting at in my
admittedly flaming reply to Neomatrix's post, for which I apologize.

Our only avenue of escape from this 35353535 loop we're in seems
to be the disciplining of our reactions to the sucky situations that the
controllers continually dish out for us.  As Castaneda said, when the
predator can't get any fear or terror or angst out of us then it will go
elswhere where the pickings are easier, STS taking the easiest route.

This thought in itself, if practiced by the entire human race, would
denly the parasitic suckers anything to eat!  But of course, we wouldn't
have this grand field of energy interplay which is teaching us how to
learn all these useless things.  We got sucked into this because it
FEELS GOOD, and I still maintain that 3D existence is very akin to
an ADDICTION.

Now, to say that it's all gonna happen anyway and the feeders are
gonna feed on us and we should just get used to it does not sit well
with me.  Why bother with higher consciousness or a sweeter FRV
if it isn't going to make a bit of difference in the grand scale of things?
It's difficult to maintain any kind of STO viewpoint when the game
has already been FIXED millenia ago. 

The bottom line for me is this:  We will never be allowed to live in
peace, harmony or equality or freedom for that matter, since that
wouldn't produce the kind of negative loosh that the predators
thrive on.  So here, have a war!  Have a tsunami!  Yes, these things
DO produce STO feelings when people are moved to be helpful and
compassionate, but they also produce anger, fear, sorrow and
dispair.  All wonderful things for the negative loosh buffet.
We are being f*cked with continually on all levels to give us a taste
of good things and then they're taken away!  Anyone who doesn't
believe this is in denial. 

And don't give me that meaningless statement that the bliss ninnies
like to trot out:  "Once you become enlightened you'll see that the
world is perfect just as it is."  Well, I ain't buying that.

TP

8 Reply by Neomatrix (edited by Neomatrix 2005-01-02 11:33:58)

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Tom Paine wrote:

Thank you Montalk and Neomatrix for clarifying and expounding on this subject.  I think Montalk got the gist of what I was getting at in my admittedly flaming reply to Neomatrix's post, for which I apologize.

Thank you. Apology accepted smile

Tom Paine wrote:

Our only avenue of escape from this 35353535 loop we're in seems to be the disciplining of our reactions to the sucky situations that the controllers continually dish out for us.  As Castaneda said, when the predator can't get any fear or terror or angst out of us then it will go elswhere where the pickings are easier, STS taking the easiest route.

Our only avenue of escape is to consciously reconnect to our infinite nature. Pretty much all of the fear and terror only comes about because we are fighting for physical survival. We have been indoctrinated from birth to believe that this world is all that exists. Nothing could be further from the truth. Realizing this puts things in perspective, and removes a great deal of the fear.

Tom Paine wrote:

This thought in itself, if practiced by the entire human race, would denly the parasitic suckers anything to eat!  But of course, we wouldn't have this grand field of energy interplay which is teaching us how to learn all these useless things.  We got sucked into this because it FEELS GOOD, and I still maintain that 3D existence is very akin to an ADDICTION.

It isn't akin to an addiction, is IS an addiction in every sense of the word, although obviously not neurologically based. Monroe often talks about how, when consciousness first incarnates upon Earth, it does so intending only to have a small sample--maybe one short lifetimes worth--and then leave. But this never happens because Earth life experiential addiction begins to take a hold straight away. Pretty soon the consciousness forgets about its infinite nature, identifies itself as just a human being, and gets caught up in one of the many available belief systems in operation here. Reincarnation is simply the continual entry and re-entry of consciousness into human form as a result of this addiction; nothing more. The only form of karma that truly exists is the addiction that keeps us coming back here for more of the same, life after life. Monroe, in his books, gives some great pointers about how to drop this addiction, the most beneficial of which is to purge and remove all emotional attachment to physical places, things, and times.

Tom Paine wrote:

Now, to say that it's all gonna happen anyway and the feeders are gonna feed on us and we should just get used to it does not sit well with me.  Why bother with higher consciousness or a sweeter FRV if it isn't going to make a bit of difference in the grand scale of things? It's difficult to maintain any kind of STO viewpoint when the game has already been FIXED millenia ago.

The system, as it exists today, will not exist forever. These negatively oriented, parasitic invaders are fooling around with the original plans of Prime Creator. Do you think Prime Creator is going to have a problem with these beings? And whereas we look at this system as having been in effect for millenia in terms of human linear time, from higher levels of reality it hasn't existed for very long at all.

Tom Paine wrote:

The bottom line for me is this:  We will never be allowed to live in peace, harmony or equality or freedom for that matter, since that wouldn't produce the kind of negative loosh that the predators thrive on.  So here, have a war!  Have a tsunami!  Yes, these things DO produce STO feelings when people are moved to be helpful and compassionate, but they also produce anger, fear, sorrow and dispair.  All wonderful things for the negative loosh buffet. We are being f*cked with continually on all levels to give us a taste of good things and then they're taken away!  Anyone who doesn't believe this is in denial.

Peace; harmony; equality; freedom. These are human concepts originating within the human mind. YOU can live these things anytime you want: it is simply a choice. Just because others aren't choosing to live that way, it doesn't mean that you can't. You are also talking from an entirely human perspective. There is more to the infinity of conscious experience than simply being human. There are other places to go, and other opportunites awaiting you.

Tom Paine wrote:

And don't give me that meaningless statement that the bliss ninnies like to trot out:  "Once you become enlightened you'll see that the world is perfect just as it is."  Well, I ain't buying that.

I agree. The world is far from perfect as it is. BUT its current, f*cked up, imperfect state does create a very interesting place for consciousness to incarnate into. Great challenges can yield great rewards after all. The Earth, as it exists today, is a wonderful teaching mechanism. You can exist here within it, and see and acknowledge the countless imperfections, without having to get angry about how unfair it all appears. Nothing is forever here in third density, you know? Many other human cultures have risen and fallen on this planet that linear time has now covered up and forgotten about. So it will be with the current system of things. In the meantime, try and enjoy your life here. Maximize your highs and lows, learn as much as you can, and always follow your own nose. Don't waste time and emotion worrying too much about things you can't directly change. Trust in your own higher self and in your own process, and let events here in third density take care of themselves.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

9 Reply by feritciva (edited by feritciva 2005-07-15 00:21:13)

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Ok.. where should I begin?..

I know this thread is "old news" here on NR but this is right time - right place for me. I thank TP, Neomatrix, T-Ren and Tom for your great insights and posts.

I first heard about Robert Monroe 10 years ago when I was in university. I entered Monroe Institute website, read some articles about his books etc. Then, I found Journeys Out Of Body, began to read it and lost interest in the middle etc. That was not the right time back then.

Then, I re-read Journeys several months ago and fascinated. I immediately bought Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey and began reading Far Journeys last week. OK, I am familiar with the "humanity is food for 4D STS" or Gurdjieff's "food for moon" concepts. But Monroe's book really struck me like lightining. I literally came back from an international "far journey" this morning. It was a midnight flight and reading about loosh farming in a big Airbus with everybody literally sleeping around was really transforming. I automatically began to think about War of the Worlds while reading this chapter. I think -consciously or not- Spielberg portrayed higher being loosh consuming really good in the movie. When you see these concepts with direct in-your-face analogy, it is even more effective (The Matrix movie portrayed this better, though).  Also I felt exactly the same with TP's first post in other thread - resistance is necessary! But another voice in my mind also said this is normal existence from a higher point of view.

Then here I am logged in NR, remembering there was a subject with the term loosh around here somewhere, which I haven't read before. Wow! The thread is here, written several months ago with wonderful insights on the subject. I found the two voices in my head as TP's and Neomatrix's posts. Still I think this f*cking situation of humanity is not fair, we should not be food for anyone, even if this is Prime Source or Anunnaki or whoever. (I know, I know... not fair according to who? in what regards? why, why not?). I can understand why Mister Monroe (as THEY say) was depressed learning this.

I also think about "holy sacrifice day" of Muslims when millions of sheeps and cattles are butchered for the name of God. A perfect loosh production & consuming day for both humans and higher negative beings.

Anyway, I think this is really important subject. Did anyone find this 12 step speed-up process to get out of this farm? smile

EDIT: This following thread is a bit more meaningful and interesting for me now (well, it's certainly not one of 12 steps but);

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1940

Change we must, to live again
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  • Registered: 2005-08-03

Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

what a (dated) thread. i'm right at the pages - within Far Journeys - that go into this whole thing. being curious, i felt compelled to put loosh in google... and viola.

don't have much to add. but now, after all this time, i think my experiences on mushrooms were'nt totally delusional after all.
one of the recurrent themes of my rather horrible experiences was energy; it's deficits/imbalances within various systems. this was'nt just a projection or insight into my own levels (from squandering). i got the distinct impression that there's something amiss energetically in the cosmos (or perhaps just this solar system or galaxy).

who knows....

colorful tangent; there was some tongue in cheek comments about the 12 step program. i've been a tad fascinated by Dee's Enochian system. there're some (overly intellectual types i guess) folks that are expanding on the original (smorgasbord of a) system.
i mused at the material - as that was about all i could do - as it was/is plainly over my damn head.
down the road i came across another author with a book about ancient history and the whole show of what 's been going on. i have'nt read the book (a must read as it's not in league with books like Icke's etc. J. Rense gave it 100% praise - after ranking on the plethora of speculative books out there) yet but did listen to some interviews. A  Mr. Tsarion, an irishman...he's got the Tarascopes site.
well, he said something to the effect of there being somekinda quarantine about the planet.
.....and that the enochian system was an attempt of finding a way out of it. so, thinking back on those pics and grids of this newly expanded enochian, it kinda looked like that was what it was leading to! tho, it did'nt look like the author's of That work realized it. maybe they did as this is all semantically burdened.
i know, more bandwidth death....

but this is funny, we could be talking about the most important things here...

oh, it certainly sounds like Neomatrix has read some of the Matrix book...from trufax. i've matrix 5.

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Loosh is energy........At least that is my understanding from what I have read so far.  Living things feed on energy in order to survive.  Human beings get their energy (our Loosh) through the consumption of plants, meat (animals) etc....  As we develop technologically we are replacing and will continue to replace some of these energy sources with sinthetic (man made) energy sources that will/may produce the require energy input to our bodies so we can continue or extend our existence in the planet.

Aliens feed on Loosh........  Loosh that we generate and radiate to the universe and have not found a way to use ourselves for our benefit.   Why is it that man is technologically trying to create his own Loosh and break the dependance on harvesting something (Plants, animals, etc..) that he may lose (since we are runing out of space in the planet) and the aliens cannot do the same?  If all of us find a way out of this food chain what are the aliens going to feed on?  Are they so stupid they have not planned for this?  Why depend on humans beings when a machine of some sort could be created to generate Loosh?  After all,  Loosh is just energy.  I believe that the Alien-Man connection is deeper than just the dependance of Loosh..................Or, is it not?

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Give a snake some loosh and you feed him for a day.

Teach a snake to loosh and you feed him for a lifetime.

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Robert Monroe's second book, Far Journeys, is the one about loosh, specifically pages 164-170. Fascinating work. I haven't read the third book yet, Ultimate Journey, but I heard that the original manuscript contained ideas that the publisher would not allow printed. Wonder what might have been cut out...

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

I used to love this Anime cartoon called Neon Genisis (Evangaleon).  The part that liked about it was that these 20 story gigantic human controlled robots that were seemingly invincible, would fight with these equally large beings that were called Angels.  I watched the whole sereis without putting much thought into anything deeper then animated battle on a megascale taking place in Tokyo Circa 2020. 

One day I looked a little bit deeper into what was possibly being suggested by the cartoon.  Could man become technologically advanced enough to destroy the God that created it.   I got that mainly from the name of the creatures being sent being called Angels, as well some other references to Christianity in the series.  I got to thinking, could ever by some fluke humanity gain the power to destroy god.   

I came upon this thought a long time ago before I had stumbled upon on any of the deeper metaphysical literature and concepts that are most commonly referred to on Noble Realms.  I now can put the question “Could man ever become powerful enough by some fluke to destroy its creator?”   This question now being posed in terms of the current unforeseen creatures that rule us, that are described in a variety of ways by various sources, mostly posing humans as a genetically engineered food source.  Roberto Monroe tells a tail of humanity as a food source for a its creator.  Laura-Knight's (LKJ) Cassiopeans say that Lizzies, who had a hand in our current genetic makeup, an feed of our negative emotions.  Carlos Castenada's Don Juan describes human predators as flyers that can be read about here:  http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3034

Can we as human cattle tell our owners enough is enough?  At least let them know we will not allow ourselves to live on their corporate farm?  I spend all day working in a cubicle, and I came up with an analogy one day while walking down the endless row of cubicals (cubes) to my desk, that the only difference between me and a cow locked in a cage with the milking machine locked to its udders, is that I have no door on my cage.  The cage door for my cell is much more effective as exists only in my mind.  Sitting there in my chair I thought about it, I could leave my cage but then where would I go?   I could free myself, but then some agent of their system, the police, the IRS would track me down and I would be put in a physically binding cage.  So I turned back to my computer and struggled to keep working. 

There has to be a way out, but what is it?  What options do we have?  Has anyone come up with answers to these questions themselves?  It actually appears that I am more at a base stage on dealing with this issue, as many of you have learned good ways to live within the system without trying to outright escape, and avoid getting yourself in a real nasty situation.

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Re: Loosh, Robert Monroe, and the Matrix Control System

Capitan,

I don't have much to add to the first part of your post.  But as to the second part:

Have you considered taking the "leap" and trying to work for yourself?  Starting your own business, freelancing, etc.  Yes, in the end, you still end up working for the same corporate scum in most cases, but at least you can separate yourselves one step from them.  At least then you're doing it on your terms and time, and can easily pick + choose who you work for and when.

Just a thought.  Its not always as easy as it seems to be self-employed, but its not always as hard as it might seem either.

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