• czyx
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Re: NATIONAL ID CARD BILL PASSED BY CONGRESS TODAY, DECEMBER 8TH

freeme wrote:

Here is a copy of the legislation.  Its almost 300 pages.
http://www.house.gov/rules/s2845confrept.pdf

Thanks freeme! I skimmed through it and tried to pull out some interesting stuff. Anybody who's interested can find the pertinent parts by downloading the PDF file and searching for "identity".

It looks like they're going to set up biometric scanners at airports, and require complete disclosure of passenger information from airlines. The bill says testing of "an advanced passenger prescreening system" is to begin no later than January 1, 2005, with implementation beginning 180 days after that. There's a group called the "Terrorist Screening Center" which is going to maintain the no fly list. The bill also contains a requirement that the "Security Privacy Officer" of the Department of Homeland Security assess the impact of the no fly list and automatic selectee list on privacy and civil liberties. (I'm sure the report will be completely unbiased!)

There's a section about increasing the security of birth certificates and Social Security cards. There aren't any specifics about how to do so, though. The bill calls for the commisioner of Social Security to conduct a study on how to tighten security procedures for issuing SS cards.

Strangely enough, there's also a part about removing the Social Security number from driver's licenses and motor vehicle registrations. It's quite specific. It says the number may not be displayed or encoded on the license/registration in any way.

The bill requires that a study be done by the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security on the subject of lost or stolen passports. The study is supposed to be done by May 31, 2005. "The study referred to in subsection (a) shall examine the feasibility, cost, potential benefits, and relative importance to the objectives of tracking suspected terrorists’ travel, and apprehending suspected terrorists, of establishing a system, in coordination with other countries, through which border and visa issuance officials have access in real-time to information on newly issued passports to persons whose previous passports were allegedly lost or stolen."

There's also some stuff in there about the Antiterrorism Assistance Training (ATA) program, which they're going to send to foreign countries to get them to beef up technological security measures. The companies who make the scanners and ID cards stand to make a lot of money! New systems in airports all over the world means big bucks.

There isn't a specific description of the ID card yet, just a call for Homeland Security to issue a proposal for standards:
"(1) IN GENERAL.–The Secretary of Homeland Security–
(A) shall propose minimum standards for identification documents required of domestic commercial airline passengers for boarding an aircraft; and
(B) may, from time to time, propose minimum standards amending or replacing standards previously proposed and transmitted to Congress and approved under this section."

There's a section about an "Incident Command System" called NIMS, or "National Incident Management System" which is supposed to allow first-responders to a national incident to get information quickly. I imagine this means they'll set up a system so that the feds can immediately gain control of a terrorist strike site by getting in contact with first-responders and telling them what to do. (What to cover up and who to let go, perhaps.)

--Justin
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Re: NATIONAL ID CARD BILL PASSED BY CONGRESS TODAY, DECEMBER 8TH

Marcus wrote:

Spoken to a few other Europeans about this previously; they don't see the big deal, France has had ID cards from decades.

France's new ID cards will include all the things to identify you even better: iris scan, DNA and much more.

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  • montalk
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Re: NATIONAL ID CARD BILL PASSED BY CONGRESS TODAY, DECEMBER 8TH

Czyx wrote:

Strangely enough, there's also a part about removing the Social Security number from driver's licenses and motor vehicle registrations. It's quite specific. It says the number may not be displayed or encoded on the license/registration in any way.

If so, that isn't much comfort since tying SS with drivers license # would require a central database where both are linked. Maybe this provision serves to give the illusion of increased security: "By removing your SS# from your driver's license, you reduce the risk of identity theft. When we the feds request your SS#, you can just give us your drivers license number since both are stored in our protected central database."

One of the most convenient methods of implementing a National ID card would be standardizing drivers licenses by issuing them in the form of smart cards that can hold thumb print and/or iris scan info. Storing these on the card will be touted as making counterfitting more difficult since the data will also be stored in the protected central database. And I bet the number will be 16 digits long since the implantable RFID chips to be introduced later can hold that much data. Once a central database is built up from all the biometric info, a smartcard with biometric info stored on it won't be needed any longer since an implantable RFID chip containing the ID number will provide just as much protection from identity theft and counterfitting, plus it will be way more convenient. Once everything is tied to the National ID card, people will be more afraid of losing them and might opt for a permanent implant.

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  • morningsun76
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  • Registered: 2004-09-10

Re: NATIONAL ID CARD BILL PASSED BY CONGRESS TODAY, DECEMBER 8TH

john the revelator wrote:

I absolutely agree with the sentiment expressed here by Jim Hightower. My attitude is "Why should I move?"

It may be true that 49% of the American people don't support Bush, but that is not going to stop the secret police from beginning to disappear people more and more as time moves forward.  Once 9/11: Part 2 has occured, there will be that much less resistance or dissent.  We're on track for the NWO/4th Reich system and the USA gets to be the Fatherland/Homeland this time around.

So for those of us who believe the handwriting is clearly on the wall, getting the heck out of here may be quite an excellent idea.  Personally, I may stick around for another year or two to help throw a few wrenches in the system, but I think then I'll be going as well.

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Re: NATIONAL ID CARD BILL PASSED BY CONGRESS TODAY, DECEMBER 8TH

This is the statement that worries me.  The document enables individuals to be designated 'agents' of foreign powers, which automatically strips them of their 'rights':

"Title VI – Terrorism Prevention
Subtitle A-Individual Terrorists as Agents of Foreign Powers
Sec 6001.  Individual  Terrorists as Agents of Foreign Powers.
a) In General-section 101(b)(1) of the Foreign Intellignece Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801(b)(1) is amended by adding at the end of the following new subparagraph:
   (C)“engages in international terrorism or activities in perparation    therefore; or“?."

I'll have to look up the other document to be sure of the ramifications, but this looks pretty vague about activities that can be designated "preparation".  The law also talks a lot about "funding terrorism", which probably has the same effect.

Kathy

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