91 (edited by wandering1 2005-03-03 20:37:28)

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

OK, here we go again.  The History Channel has posted the following listing:

New UFO Revelations: The Gray's Agenda.
Airs on Monday, March 7 at 8:00pm ET

According to ufologists, the Grays--beings from another world--abduct humans, implant devices, and conduct reproductive experiments. The most "familiar" alien, we see their images in every media. What do they want? Where are they from? Do alien life forms kidnap humans in order to replicate their dying race? Is our government in collusion with extraterrestrials in exchange for advanced technology? Hundreds of eyewitnesses swear they encountered aliens and dozens claim they have actual physical proof.  So join us as we go in search of the Grays and their alien agenda.  TVPG

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The History Channel originally had this show scheduled to air on Dec. 18, 2004.  Then they changed the listing and did not show it.  I have a guess about a possible reason.  Maybe they had pressure to change because the "powers that be" behind the media wanted to show the whitewash, cover up Peter Jennings UFO show first.  So, again, I don't have my hopes up or anything, but I think that the History Channel tends to show a more complete view than network shows.

It's just possible that they might share a few bits of info during the show, and not decide to do another total whitewash.  We'll see.  For those of you who have transcended cable tv :-) I plan to watch and I'll write a summary.

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I liked "The Threat" by Jacobs. The author is a professor and has done 25yrs research on abductions. He seems well grounded and rational. The scenario is the abductees are shown scenes of cataclysmic earth changes and then the hybrids living happily everafter.  On a personal note, the one time I believe I was visited (missing time, sensing their presence in the room and becoming paralyzed) was the night following my vasectomy. Weird coincidence.

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Yes, I've read "The Threat" by Jacobs.  I think that it's one of the best books out there on the subject of abductions of humans by aliens.

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It looks like Project Awaken may be alive and well!

Here are my notes that I took while watching the History Channel show “The Gray’s Agenda."  It’s a one hour show.  Jim Marrs and Richard Dolan are two of the people interviewed.  Jim Marrs says: “This is a real phenomenon."

Richard Dolan is the primary person that they used for quotes and that says a lot. He is the person who wrote “UFOs and the National Security State."   I think that the quotes they used were fair, in that they seem to be reflective of what he was saying, rather than being cut in a way that distorts the information.

A voiceover says that “grays are worker bees"  and “they have been visiting for thousands of years."

The show goes into a dramatization of the Barney and Betty Hill abduction case from 1961.

The show mentions charges that some people say the US government is conspiring to keep the true nature of the gray’s agenda from the public.

MJ-12 papers are mentioned.  Dulce papers are mentioned which indicate a human/alien base. 

A hybrid breeding program is mentioned.  “The Earth may be in the midst of a diabolical invasion by the grays."

“The Roper Organization estimates the number of abductions at 4 million."

One theme of the show is life imitating art and art imitating life.  This refers to increasing numbers of grays and abductions in the media and increasing reports of grays and abductions over time.

Several people who say they were abducted are interviewed and provide their personal perspectives.

Richard McNally, a professor at Harvard, is the primary debunker.  He says that his tests show that abductees tend to have high levels of “absorption"  or the ability to generate vivid imagery.  He also says that his tests show that abductees really believe what they are saying – they are sincere.

The show ends with four people giving different perspectives:
-    The gray’s are concerned about their own children.  Their agenda is mutually   
        beneficial for both the grays and humans.
-    The reports are a result of overactive imaginations.
-    It’s a mystery.
-    I think they’re here and have been here for a long time.
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This was the best documentary that I have seen on the topic.  If anyone has seen anything similar or better, I am interested in hearing about it.

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>slaps my forehead< i missed this show, darnit!

sounds like they want to generate more fear about the greys

at least they are presenting material to mass media, for the public to consider

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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The History Channel will probably repeat the show as that is typical with the shows they make.  I think that they are presenting the information for the public to consider (at least that part of the public that watches the History Channel or decides to buy the DVD).

I don't think that the information was presented in a fear-mongering manner.  If the grays do exist and they are abducting people, then that will naturally generate some initial fear if a person is not familar with the topic.

However, if this is happening, then I think it is better to know the truth of the situation.

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The History Channel is showing the show on the Grays again:

New UFO Revelations: The Gray's Agenda.
Airs on Saturday, April 2 at 6:00pm ET

Check local listings!  Recommended!

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Anyone read "Visitors From Within" by Lyssa Royal channeling material from a number of Grays (including Bashar, a Zeta/human hybrid)?   That was an eye-opener for me on the subject of the Grays.  Here's a link to an excerpt:http://galactic-server.com/planet/first-contact.html

I just can't see them as the evil intruders anymore, although I believe (and it's stated in the book) that there are negative Grays whose intent toward us is not of the highest.  There's a lot of good stuff at Lyssa Royal's site that goes into all of this.

At alloya.com there's  a free online book on the Grays,  The Mission of the One Star, which also puts forth a different perspective on the subject.

And, the Pleiadians thru Marciniak have stated that we need the Grays just as they need us, in our evolution, and that in the deepest sense,
they are not separate from us.  Found this quote online:

Let us say this to you. As you are representatives of the Family of Light within the human population -- within the human drama -- there are versions of the Family of Light within the reptilian drama. All things must evolve! Remember the Prime Creator -- the original decree? 'Go out and create and bring them back to me. ' Prime Creator is within all things. And so as you choose to evolve in terms of this human drama, and evolve as human.

There are versions of yourselves that are in the reptilian drama. Busting the system open from that end. Within the drama of the greys, within all of the dramas of all of the humans, of all of the players of this time. Because everyone must go through frequency change. Because the old frequency is not going to last. It is already not here. That is why everything is beginning to crumble and fall apart on your planet. That is why there is no stability, because a new order will arise after a period of time.

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i am familiar with lyssa's stuff, yes.

and yes, u can say i have some kind of sympathy or feelings towards the grays.

prolly more than that, but im not all too sure

the whole "they need us / we need them" scenario is kind of bunk, but im sure there are well intentioned greys as well as bad intentioned grays, all kinds of them supposedly...

i dont doubt those stories, parts of them seem to fit , but knowing all the trickery and veils that are placed in front of our eyes, we cant be too sure of anything.

but i did like reading lyssa royals stuff, very interesting, and seemed to "ring a bell" somewhat.

i was probably a grey before, or somehow involved

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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To continue the dialogue . . .

This was posted as part of research notes 16 August 2005 on www.montalk.net:

"Are we Grays? – It’s not uncommon for abductees and contactees to be told their soul has some close kinship with the abductors. For example someone may be told he or she was once a gray and is now occupying human form for whatever purpose, perhaps to experience human emotions or act as ground personnel to soften humanity up to the alien reality.

As far as I can tell this is a disinformation ploy designed to circumvent any freewill-based resistance that might interfere with the abductors’ ability to more thoroughly “use�  the individual. Feelings of kinship and empathy induced in an abductee amount to a freewill invitation for further contact with the abductors, which is ultimately asking for further exploitation.

The darkside loves twisting truth toward negative ends. Many abductees may be Wanderers, spiritual beings from a higher density who have incarnated here to shed a little light into the darkness. But any vague notions they might have of their spiritual origins can be cunningly diverted toward concluding they share identity with the very beings they have come here to undermine, the cybernetic custodians of the Matrix Control System.

Sure, different people have souls that originate from different realms, some are alien and some are more terrestrial depending on how many lives they have spent wearing the human form versus that of some other 3D/4D species, but to get your soul origin mixed up and thereby align your will with the ‘wrong’ group is a literal invitation for touble.

One question is whether grays are artificial beings, or whether there are organic variations with their own independent history as a species. Obviously if they are artificial, it would be ludicrous for one to have a gray soul. Otherwise, it could be a possibility if all the signs point toward it.

But many methods of deception exist…you could have an alien entity attachment, and its influence upon your thoughts/feelings/actions could be very convincing as being those of your own volition and nature–especially when reinforced by mind programming and by suggestions from odd characters you meet who profess to tell you who you are. Read Dr William Baldwin’s book CEVI for more info on alien entity attachments.

So in seeking your identity, it’s best to be cautious before swearing your allegiance and aligning your destiny with it. If you really want to know who you are, make an earnest request to the highest positive spiritual forces (like your Highest Self) to be led toward discovering who you are. Pieces will fall into place, memories and clues will surface, and in the end you will understand yourself better and know why you are here.

Is it important to know who you are? Depends on whether you are here strictly to learn and experience, or whether you are also here on a mission. In the first case getting hung up on past lives can interfere with the current life unless this knowledge is used solely to observe karmic patterns and resolve them. In the second case studying the past helps you understand yourself in the present and increases your chances of accomplishing your purpose, which is why diversion at this stage is seen as critical by hostile forces."

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I will welcome the greys and all other species with respect, until through my *direct experience* i discover they are "nasty"...and if that happens my attitude to them will be the same as to the many earthly nasties.

"The Earth is in exchange with higher levels of existence. For this an apparatus is
needed. Mankind is that apparatus. This exchange is not automatic; it requires work."

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Greys are reptillian slaves and they are working for them, belive me you don't want direct contact with grey or reptillian.

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cosmic_luminessence wrote:

I will welcome the greys and all other species with respect, until through my *direct experience* i discover they are "nasty"...and if that happens my attitude to them will be the same as to the many earthly nasties.

Do you already have *direct experience* with wild hornets?   How about mountain lions and ravenous wolves?  Have you had *direct experience* with military generals from foreign dictatorships?   Or would you  "welcome them with respect?"

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I think the key word is respect, which implies not having a knee-jerk reaction regarding their agenda or methods.  I would respect mountain lions and wild hornets, and I wouldn't demonize them for doing what they felt they had to do to survive.  I certainly wouldn't respect human beings encroaching upon wild territory without giving one thought about these wild animals.  Ravenous wolves implies something bad, as does military generals from foreign dictatorships.  If it was said "I will respect an emotionless monster," it changes things.  The fact is is that we don't know the truth about grays, no matter what anybody believes.

With that said, I would make myself scarce or would not respect them abducting me without my conscious consent, but that stems from fear and ignorance, or from third party stories, more than anything else.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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I respect wild animals and dictators well (for their power and ability to do harm), and though I may not have "direct" experience with them, enough information is out there about their nature (dangerous) that I would not welcome them.    The same can be said of alien races (such as greys) for which ample documentation is out there of their negative nature (kidnapping, torture, etc).