Re: Greenpeace

Atlantis wrote:

You must understand how the dialectic astral energies (SLS) are working.

Montalk wrote a lot of articles about these SLS-energies on this website, look at the articles on "how the matrix is operating", and look at the parts on organic portals, matrix agencies and the SLS-concept.

If there is a statement they (SLS-entities) create an anti-statement, to tap all these fresh dialectic energies from our MINDS.

Stop helping Amnesty International blocks this SLS energy stream, so there is less evil energy available for them (SLS-entities) to hurt more people, or to get more people being hurted.

Please clarify what you mean by the "SLS" concept. I understand how everything is vibrational in nature and how the STS Matrix Control System continues to make incisions for more bloodletting and feeding, including thier use of people's STO intnentions like giving to charities and supporting greenpeace etc. I also understand your saying Amnesty International, Greenpeace and other large campaigning organisations, could be part of a counter intelligence operation of global/Illumunati proportions.

It is your use of the phrase "dialectic astral energies (SLS)" that I am not clear on. Please explain what you mean.

mimi

"the truth the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"

17 (edited by bumblebee 2004-11-17 02:09:04)

Re: Greenpeace

Hi Atlantis, I think I know about what you call SLS energies, I can discern some of them.  I think Montalk describes them as STS, which could be interpreted in a limited way in the sense of my earlier portrayed anti-hierarchy views as STO fighting against STS.
I can argue that Amnesty International makes a statement and that your remark concerning Amnesty International is a STS anti-statement: I can see nothing inherently STS by raising international attention to STS patterns within the world's societies.

I do see that individual people can forget the responsibilities in their own local communities or societies by being distracted to much by what Amnesty International is suggesting them to do, or that raising international awareness might somehow disable spontanuous local action (I don't think so)... but I think that's to a large degree the responsibility of individuals themselves.
Have you studied all the people involved in Amnesty International and Greenpeace, what scales did you use to measure their indivual contribution to STS energies in order to brand those organisations STS? How do you know I am contributing to STS energies by trying to raise awareness?

One can say that all in 3rd density lives, turns and revolves because of MIND, but to me being aware of this it doesn't automatically mean that one stops taking action in whatever form.

Greenpeace doesn't comment on chemtrails. One could argue that they do so strategically so other parties on which they in part depend would take them seriously.

the great riddle, greenpeace and the chemtrail question

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18 (edited by Atlantis 2004-11-17 01:50:14)

Re: Greenpeace

miminikelo wrote:

It is your use of the phrase "dialectic astral energies (StS)" that I am not clear on. Please explain what you mean.

mimi

Yes, excuse me, I wrote SLS instead of STS (I've corrected the term)..

I follow the terminology of STS because Montalk has written a lot about this.

I prefer the terminology dialectic astral energies and lower astral entities.

Astral entities must be feeded with astral energies to be led to materialize things.

The direction can be devided in "good" and "wrong".

That's why I use the term dialectic.

Polarization leads to the end of unity. So to stay alive: astral entities need a situation where every statement has it's contra-statement, to keep the rotating circle going on in the astral realms, continuing tapping energies from innocent unprotected people's astral bodies.

The first way the Illuminati are promoting this on a large scale, is using Television and creating fear to open the astral bodies of the TV-watchers.

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Re: Greenpeace

Thaks for your clarification. Just to clarify further, my asking the question was prompted by the term SLS, on which you misquoted me - referring to it as "STS". One letter can make a big difference - was that one of those subliminal typos we all do sometimes? smile But it seems you meant STS anyway yes?


myself wrote:

It is your use of the phrase "dialectic astral energies (SLS)" that I am not clear on. Please explain what you mean.

Which you quoted back at me, but with an ammendment thus:


Atlantis misquoting mimi[/quote wrote:

miminikelo wrote:
It is your use of the phrase "dialectic astral energies (StS)" that I am not clear on. Please explain what you mean.

mimi

This may seem a pedantic point, but words are all we have to communicate with, so it is important to be as crystal clear as possible to avoid confusion, and misunderstanding.

"the truth the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"

Re: Greenpeace

Ayahuasca wrote:
ermolai wrote:

It's easy for them to infiltrate hierarchical organizations, no matter how pure the initial intention behind these organizations.

I have little doubt that these major organizations have been infiltrated in some way. However I think there's a lot of difference between being infiltrated by the Illuminati and being a front for the Illuminati.

There is no difference as for the end results.

Ayahuasca wrote:

Anyway I think we're getting a little too silly here. Using Atlantis' reasoning then just about every large organization in the world must be a front for the Illuminati. How many fronts do they need? Greedy bunch these Illuminati aren't they wink.

Well, we live in a STS world. What do you expect? Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. The word "Illuminati" is over-used I agree, but I think you know what it means. Basically such organizations serve the Matrix, and are absolutely no threat for it. Furthermore countless people pour energy into them, rather than finding ways to really do positive changes. For me they are yet another trap.

bumblebee wrote:

Whether an organisation is hierarchical, flat doesn't matter, both can be infiltrated, by investigative journalists, government agents, corporate espionage or even aliens. I think there is nothing wrong with hierarchies or heterarchies. They are essential for society and life to function. They are natural, your body is a hierarchy, the family unit is, in some ways this board is a hierarchy... when a dynamic or structure becomes constricting, live sucking, non-integrative you have a disease. The whole anti-hierarchy idea shared by old school feminists, marxists is in my opinion slightly flawed and has done some damage. They correctly recognized the disease within hierarchies, society or relationships but proceeded to cure them by eroding the structures all together.

Well I disagree. Hierarchies are pyramids, with people at the top having the most of knowledge / power while those at the bottom having few to say. This is true for all of them. This is extremely dangerous in the STS world we live in. Circular / horizontal "structures" are much better at circulating energy and fixing problems before they become traps for Matrix attacks, since everyone has an input. Maybe that a few decades ago it was still possible to do positive things with hierarchical organizations but in my opinion this time is gone, and now we really have to push things further. Of course I know the downsides of non-hierarchical structures, nothing is "safe" in any way (all there is is lessons) but at least I feel there is a real potential with them, while pyramids are hopelessly useless.

Re: Greenpeace

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Re: Greenpeace

On Amnesty: I used to read a lot of Amnesty International reports, trying to figure out WHY? WHY? WHY?  It can be a very draining experience. They can get really graphic, which at the time I thought would lead to clues about the causes of torture.  Although knowledge is good and protects, it can also be traumatizing to read their reports.  Vicarious traumatization, I believe is the technical term.  Except for the letter writing, they don't really *do* much against torture.  After all these years.  They rarely, if ever, really go down to the depths of an issue.  It's more than CNN, but it is not nearly enough.  This is from what I have seen.  I just checked their site at http://www.amnesty.org.  Although they talk about the abuse of women, it seems to subtly encourage a victim mentality and to raise fear without attacking the real causes. Also, they still seemed constrained by their 'non-partisan' or 'non-political' status. 

On Heirarchies: From my studies, they are rigid, inflexible structures that don't adapt well to change and are extremely vulnerable to manipulation, targeting a few leaders is all it takes.  It seems like heirarchies are all people know these days.  It's either rigid heirarchies or chaos. 

Kathy

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Re: Greenpeace

freeme wrote:

On Heirarchies: From my studies, they are rigid, inflexible structures that don't adapt well to change and are extremely vulnerable to manipulation, targeting a few leaders is all it takes.  It seems like heirarchies are all people know these days.  It's either rigid heirarchies or chaos.

That's because people don't really know how to be responsible for themselves: they need some external father figure to do it for them. People never really grow up, never really mature, because they just end up replacing one parental authority for another. "Be good, do as you are told, and you won't get in trouble." So, naturally they think that if the parents leave, then the kids are just going to go nuts. The sad thing is, that is probably what would happen, due to our inability to take responsibility for ourselves and letting other people do likewise. People don't really want freedom, the just want the illusion of freedom and a few new toys to keep them pacified and distracted.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

24 (edited by lyra 2004-11-17 13:18:31)

Re: Greenpeace

Neomatrix wrote:
freeme wrote:

On Heirarchies: From my studies, they are rigid, inflexible structures that don't adapt well to change and are extremely vulnerable to manipulation, targeting a few leaders is all it takes.  It seems like heirarchies are all people know these days.  It's either rigid heirarchies or chaos.

That's because people don't really know how to be responsible for themselves: they need some external father figure to do it for them. People never really grow up, never really mature, because they just end up replacing one parental authority for another. "Be good, do as you are told, and you won't get in trouble." So, naturally they think that if the parents leave, then the kids are just going to go nuts. The sad thing is, that is probably what would happen, due to our inability to take responsibility for ourselves and letting other people do likewise. People don't really want freedom, the just want the illusion of freedom and a few new toys to keep them pacified and distracted.


God, all of this is so true, both freeme and Neomatrix.  I once made mention of this in an old writing I did, how we trade our parents and teacher authority figures from our childhood for our new adult authority figures.  But we never stop having hierarchal authority figures, somebody we have to report to, answer to, obey, appease, please, get permission from, submit and cowtow to.     Usually and most notably at work.  Unless you're your own boss or the owner of your own private business, (lucky you!) you have authority figures that you need to answer to and "obey."  Oh, I did my little project that you assigned to me, here you go.....(where's my gold star??)  I inputted this for you, took this message for you, proofread this for you, changed any mistakes.......do I get the red pen smiley face???   ???   Do people even realize the conditioning that this does to us???  I'm only just now really starting to analyze how having bosses and a submissive work position can affect a person on a greater, spiritual scale.   It's such a conditioning tool.   There are SO many people out there who don't want to have to THINK anymore.  They want to be told what to do, they want to be led, they want their hands held.   They want a boss hovering over them supervising them. They don't make decisions on their own, they're not "self starters".  (corporate lingo for those rare individuals who like to kick themselves in the ass instead of somebody else doing it, thank you....)   I've worked with people like this.  They couldn't/wouldn't THINK.  You know, people who were like "What should I do now?  What about now?  What about now?  What should I do now?? What should I do here?  What about here?  What about here? What do you mean make a judgement call decision??  What's that??   What is thinking??  What is that word??   Okay so what should I do now??....what about now??......"   big_smile  Oh lordy lord.  That's extreme, but I have seen these people. It just makes me wonder.   

It's scary what our authoritarian hierarchial does to us all over the long haul, chip chip chipping away at our sense of sovereignty, power, confidence and independence.  Yikes.  It affects all of us in some way, even if we can't see it right away, nobody is immune.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Greenpeace

Ever hear the saying “we teach what we most need to learn“??  People are mostly reactionary because of a variety of “imagined“? history…stimulus/response.  I often wondered why with all the good intentions organizations could not come together, as together the combined efforts would make a huge impact.  It took a long time to learn that we rescue out of our own need to be rescued.  Organizations become power plays as the members re-act to what they perceive through their filters.  On the mundane level you have those that want to make a change and those that want to feel empowered by having power over others.  When people are able to reconnect with their core energy and feel the love that is who they are, the infighting and power plays stop.  This will all be resolved when each of us reconnects.  It is actually very simple.

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...