Re: Kerry will win

Neomatrix wrote:

LOL. Come on, Kathy. What makes you think that the average European is any more enlightened than anyone over here?!

But, but, but Neo, (giving my best wide eyed and innocent look) they have
*C*A*S*T*L*E*S* ! big_smile

I have a feeling we are all going to _need_ to laugh a lot more in the next couple of years. 

I'm not sure about this dividing the country, Ermolai.  I would think that overt separation might trigger more resistance.  Ammuricans like their 'country', feel a god-given right to own the whole damn thing.  At best that would have to come at a really late stage of the game.  I do think, however,  that there has been an ongoing attempt to provoke outrage and riots and stuff, as an excuse to clamp down.  Unfortunately Kerry was so lacklustre no one seems ready to fight for him, especially since he conceded so soon. 
Vhat vill zey tink up next? hmmmm? ze flu? 

Kathy

Never Give Up!

32 (edited by miminikelo 2004-11-12 05:41:09)

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Anyone in the US see the Bill Maher show over the weekend?.
If you live there,  is there a sense that something BIG is about to happen? And if so what might it be?. Even if the truth will out, hasn't it been ghettoised into the conspiracy theory "lunatic left" pidgeon hole?

Despite knowing that democracy is an illusory concept inour reality, it still intrigues me as to what the response of the American people might be.

This is being circulated in an email group that I subscribe to.


wrote:

Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Fw: Something BIG is about to happen


Dear Friends,

When actress Susan Sarandon appeared on the Bill Maher show over the weekend, he asked her what is the biggest issue we face as a nation.

Her reply was "voter fraud."

The usually knowledgeable Maher had no idea what she was talking about.  When he asked, she replied:

"Something BIG is about to happen."


What I'm about to tell you is going to be hard to swallow at first.  But if you're like most of us, once you start looking at the evidence, you'll scrape yourself off the ceiling, put your eyeballs back in their sockets, and you'll try to figure out what to do.

So here it is.

The highest crime in the history of our country took place on November 2nd.  The evidence is now mounting (into a HUGE mountain) that the election was stolen.  There is already a congressional investigation underway and a consumer investigation (headed by Ralph Nader).

Elec! tronic voting machines that were manufactured by supporters of the Republican Party were used to alter the will of the people.

The internet message boards and chat rooms are bursting with talk about this. You can wait another couple days to hear about it in the mainstream media, or you can read on.  Just remember where you heard it first.

I will outline the key points in this email and provide a link with much more information at the bottom. More information is coming out literally by the minute.

The election was stolen with not just one tactic, but with several.

Key points
"Black Box" Electronic Voting Machines: The key to it all was the use of electronic voting machines, that produce no paper trail. These were manufactured mainly by the two companies ESS and Diebold. Both of these companies are big supporters of the Republican Party. Walden O'Dell, the owner of Diebold, said in a 2003 fundraising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the owner of ESS used his own machines to get elected to the United States Senate in Nebraska. A bill was introduced in the House and Senate to outlaw these machines and require a paper printout of each vote so that they could be verified and/or recounted. The bill was stalled by the Republican Party, led by Senate Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and it was not allowed to come to vote. Shortly after the November 2rd election, countless stories of problems with the machines began to surface. Many people tried to vote for ! Kerry and said that when the final confirmation screen came up it said they voted for Bush. In one precinct in Ohio, 4,258 votes were given to Bush were there were only 638 registered voters. Many more stories about the black box voting machines, their problems, and the investigation into their tampering are circulating. Blackboxvoting.org is leading the way in the investigation to proving the results were tampered with.
Exit Polls: Exit polls were taken in every state. In those states that had verifiable paper trails for their ballots, the exit polls were virtually the same as the real results. However, in the states where electronic voting machines were used, the exit polls were mysteriously very different from the final reported totals. You can view the exit poll data directly yourself with the link at the bottom of this email.
Unusual Results: In the areas where computers were used to cast votes or tally them, some very strange results have surfaced. Here is just one example. In Baker County, Florida, there are 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them regsitered Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans. The vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush. Are we supposed to believe that 5 out of every 7 registered Democrats voted for Bush??? This pattern repeats itself in many Florida counties. You can view all the raw data for every Florida county at the link at the bottom of this email
Shenanigans: In addition to the electronic voting machines, there was widespread voter intimidation and disenfranchisement on election day. In many democratic areas, people waited hours to vote, while Republicans "challenged" voters' rights to vote, forcing them to fill out a provisional ballot instead of a real ballot. The provisional ballots were not counted on election day and we may never know how many of them there were, or what rules will be used to qualify them. Flyers were sent to democratic areas with an array of false information on them. People were told their voting precinct had changed, that their voter registration was not valid, or that they would go to jail of they tried to vote. The list of shenanigans goes on and on.  You can see the some of the flyers that were sent out and read about more of the shenanigans at the link at the bottom of this email.
Investigations: This is not conspiracy theory.  This is not heresay.  There is evidence.  There are witnesses. There are investigations underway.  Three Congressmen have sent a letter to the General Accountability Office requesting urgent action and an investigation. Ralph Nader is leading a consumer investigation into voter fraud countrywide, and has already filed an official challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire.  You can read the letter to the GAO and more about Nader's efforts at the link below.

They will call us sore losers.  They will have their lawyers and computer experts too.  They will refute the evidence.  But the truth is on our side and we will prevail.

Here is the link to the information, if you would like to look into the details and become more aware of the biggest story about to break.

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection


http://nuclearfree.lynx.co.nz/stealing.htm

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-25.htm#rig

http://www.bandsagainstbush.org/cgi-bin … t_poll.gif

http://openvotingconsortium.org/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

http://votergate.tv/votergate/votergate … e_64kb.mov

What we need now is for the information to get out to more people.  The mainstream media will bury this until it's shoved down their throat.  So please forward this email to your friends and family.  If every person tells three other people, everyone will know before the medi! a decides to wake up. 

Peace,
Allen Reed

"the truth the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"

33 (edited by Auendove 2004-11-12 06:05:19)

Re: Kerry will win

miminikelo wrote:

If you live there,  is there a sense that something BIG is about to happen? And if so what might it be?

Hi ya mimi,

Yes... yes, yes, yes... I've had a very strong feeling that something big is going to happen. As I look back on it this feeling coincides with the crop up of "1" sitings I reported on the Number Synchs page. After the solar flare I thought that must've been it, but still the feeling remains. I've wondered if my feeling applied to my mate and I possibly moving, or some big change in our lives, but again I'm not sure about that as well.

One way or the other, yeah, I've had a very strong feeling of this... and I'm just playing a waiting game (I'd really, really love to find my fella and I moving though wink ).

Funny, as I've been writing this post my third eye is percolating away, but I'm not getting any visuals sad .

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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zonabi wrote:

uhhh.... how irritating. 1/2 the world thinks america really voted for bush.

You can make an apology on this site. The world might appreciate it.

the eyes of truth are always watching you

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Thanks for the email forward...yes, democracy is an illusion as we all know...but will be so very interesting to see the public response...our version of the Super Bowl eh?

have forwarded the email to interested friends...some in the group like "how will they respond?"

wonder what half time festivities are planned?


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It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

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My guess would be some sort of "distraction" is in the works, just after this info is 'released', so that challenging Bush would appear to be "treason" to Bush supporters.  That would pretty much completely polarize the US.  The timing for this would have to be just right.  Let's see...  Iran??? A terrorist attack???  There is also still the flu issue hanging out there.   hmmmmm...
Wonder how Arafat's death is going to be used?
Kathy

Never Give Up!

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The latest withdrawal of secr. Colin Powell can be seen as a forced Rothschild tactical move against Windsor/Bush/Cheney.

Atlantean Magic: safe, simple and enjoying a good lifetime.

38 (edited by lyra 2004-11-16 04:56:54)

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Atlantis wrote:

The latest withdrawal of secr. Colin Powell can be seen as a forced Rothschild tactical move against Windsor/Bush/Cheney.

Yeah, except Colin Powell declared well over a year ago that he had no interest in sticking around for another term if Bush was re-elected, and that he was looking to retire.  So this didn't just happen out of nowhere, it's something he's been talking about for awhile.  Thing is, most people probably missed that story when it ran a year+ ago.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Apparently, Bush's new CIA director Porter Goss has been told to purge the agency of "disloyal" officials. This doesn't bode well.

--Justin

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man they are just TRYING so hard to show Bush is an idiot, yet people just dont get it.

what will it take ?!

yall check out my new comic strip in the humor section for a little Baby Bush fun.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Yes Lyra and Zonabi,

Something is going on with the agenda of the Middle East.
It's like the Rothschilds (UN) will save some time, to stay at the side of Iran against Bush/Cheney.

Of course Colin Powell is faking his "intention". It was all staged as Lyra said.
It's part of a bigger show for the European public to make Pretzel Bush more a kind of Anti-Christ idiot.

What is in the European mind ?
well: The only "good guy" is gone !

That will guarantee a big stock of astral SLS-energies next year.

Atlantean Magic: safe, simple and enjoying a good lifetime.

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Atlantis wrote:

  Yes Lyra and Zonabi,
Of course Colin Powell is faking his "intention". It was all staged as Lyra said.

Uhhh, this isn't what I said at all, but okay.  I was actually contradicting you, pointing out that Powell leaving the cabinet isn't anything new or sudden.   He announced he was leaving well over a year ago.  I never used the word "staged" anywhere in my post.


Atlantis wrote:

It's part of a bigger show for the European public to make Pretzel Bush more a kind of Anti-Christ idiot.

How so?  Powell announced a year ago that he wanted to retire and had no intentions of going another 4 years.


Atlantis wrote:

What is in the European mind ?
well: The only "good guy" is gone !

But he announced a year ago that he had no intention of going another 4 years.   Again, it's not like it's something sudden or unexpected.


Atlantis wrote:

That will guarantee a big stock of astral SLS-energies next year.

??????

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Atlantis wrote:

That will guarantee a big stock of astral SLS-energies next year.

Uhhhhh, cool! I'll advise my broker to begin short selling Astral SLS stock immediately. I should make a killing when the market gets flooded with it next year! You wouldn't happen to know the ticker symbol for that, would you?

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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lyra wrote:
Atlantis wrote:

  Yes Lyra and Zonabi,
Of course Colin Powell is faking his "intention". It was all staged as Lyra said.

Uhhh, this isn't what I said at all, but okay.  I was actually contradicting you, pointing out that Powell leaving the cabinet isn't anything new or sudden.   He announced he was leaving well over a year ago.  I never used the word "staged" anywhere in my post.


Atlantis wrote:

It's part of a bigger show for the European public to make Pretzel Bush more a kind of Anti-Christ idiot.

How so?  Powell announced a year ago that he wanted to retire and had no intentions of going another 4 years.


Atlantis wrote:

What is in the European mind ?
well: The only "good guy" is gone !

But he announced a year ago that he had no intention of going another 4 years.   Again, it's not like it's something sudden or unexpected.


Atlantis wrote:

That will guarantee a big stock of astral SLS-energies next year.

??????

I understand your reactions Lyra.

But, I sit here a the other side of the Ocean, and all the European news is that Powell's withdrawal is sadly unexpected and it is a reaction against the "wrong" Bush Foreign policy.'

For European politicians, Powell's act is perfect propaganda for the NATO and the European Community.

Powell is in the Eurpean mind-sets staged/shown as the big American "Good Guy".  last 4 years.

The big issue is to break the USA in the mind sets of the Europeans too.

Atlantean Magic: safe, simple and enjoying a good lifetime.

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I found something interesting today.  It is an article by a political scientist, at least I think he is a political scientist, it just says professor from the University of Pennsylvania. It gives a really good analysis of the exit polls, and concludes that for the three battleground states, the odds of the polls being off as much as they were is *250 million to one*.  One thing I can say from personal experience is that political scientists LOOOOVE polls.  Usually, they are pretty meaningless, but in this instance political scientists' love of statistics and polls could prove to have very interesting results.  There are going to be salivating graduate students, ambitious professors, and all kinds of wannabes studying this issue.  250 million to one!!! I just love that fuzzy math! lol

http://truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf

Kathy

Never Give Up!