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I'm posting a link to a Velvet Revolver interview done in Germany. If you watch it you will see why it has been posted here. I feel that Zejith_Themis will get all worked up but I'm on a different wavelength brother. there is no such thing as "proof" on the internet, just clues with occasional facts.

The following interview (only relevant to this thread within 1 minute 20 seconds) gives a few subtle yet important clues on occult matters within the rock and roll industry (many will argue that this is just one band... to that I reply ok.

Lust, Greed, Envy, Money, Drugs and Fame. Potent cocktails for any human soul. Throw in some occult rituals to draw up some more of Satan's magicks to keep the band high, wealthy and fed with barley legal teens. Do what thou wilt...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ;plindex=0

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I suppose Bhang is attempting to describe the validity or ethics of Aleister Crowley's endeavor of a lifetime, by how rocknroll groups utilize information that they may have retrieved from articles and books written by the above.  Would that be a tad unfair?  Or, one more form of utilizing disinformation to denigrate the life's work of a man?

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I found a great website with a lot of the works of Crowley. TO anyone who is bitter and just an all around lemon on the subject of Crowley, take time out and start to penetrate this very interesting collection. If worst comes to worst, just pretend it is written by someone else hahaha. Great store of knowledge here. Honestly, its not like Crowley invented Kabbalah or numerology, he can just explain it very well, along with many other subjects....and personally I like his style. I dont like EVERYTHING Crowley, but I do very much enjoy some of his work. THe same way I like SOME icecream, not all. I like SOME music, not all.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_crowley.htm#menu

Also, here is a link to an interesting blog from Lon Milo DuQuette on the Book of the Law. Very entertaining and enlightening read.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea … =330394937

93 Reply by Khalil (edited by Khalil 2007-12-11 03:20:54)

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(I did not think I could return to this thread but this promotion of Crowley leaves me cold)


The blog author asked his freemason buddies about it and was inititated into degrees of societies ?
This material involves religious philosophy and priesthoods?
See this is were I clam up.
That just tells me these people do not have a clue.

When I first googled crowley, there were so many conflicting reports.
The first page in google is full of for and against sites.
Some say he was not a child murderer some say he was.
I don't know, I wasn't there.
He has been called the most evil man in history?
Now, I have learnt from experience that just because many people or most or even a few cry "Lies" or "Evil" this does not nessecarily make it so.
There could be a reason for this.
Some say he has been misquoted, perhaps but you know the old saying were there's smoke there's fire or if you fling enough dung it sticks?
So I would err on the side of caution when examining this material.

I've read a few of his books and I just don't get it.
Mabye I'm too much of a lemon to get it but to each their own hey.
Crowley is deffinitely not my particular type of cup of tea or my flavour of ice-cream.
For those who think he's the best thing since slice bread, please don't take offence as I whole-heartedly agree that you are intitled to your perspective on him and if his writings enrich your lives that's a good thing and none of my buisness.

David Icke, Alex Jones, Aleister Crowley are just some of the people who , having brought supposed taboo or hidden knowledge to the forefront of human thinking , are being slandered as  puppets.
All I know is that when something leads me to question its validity or screams caution it must be seen to be false in my eyes with an option to allow newer views to enter later.

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Which few books did you read and what dont you get? Most of his work is for people who are already initiated into themysteries. Say, if you only read AC but you have never, ever read anything else on kabbalah, magick, numerology, astrology, tarot and so on then you are simply jumping in the deep end, and it seems you are complaining that you cant swim. Well, of course you cant.

I have enough caution when reading crowley. Like when I am reading the book of thoth I switch around the paths VIII and XI. Why, gee I dont know mabye you should study the subject.

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I mean, why the heck would I make VIII XI and XI VIII. Do you even know what that means? When I critique an author I try to stick with the work itself. You are just jumping on all kinds of very VERY shallow things. Everything you are mentioning lacks depth. f*ck crowley, why dont you mention the actual books you dont get, and why you dont get it, then mabye someone could help you with it. Ever read frater Achad, Donald Michael Kraig, Dion FOrtune, Israel Regardie, or any other occult writters? You are running head long into "crowley land" without the faintest idea of the methods, philosophies, words, symbols, and numbers that he is talking about. And he isnt the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD to write about this shit. f*ck, seems like you are lionizing the bastard more than people who REALLY study his work by projecting all kinds of shadow onto the information.

Heres a story. I started practicing kabbalah when I was 15 and was giving tarot readings to people. You know what happened within two years of this? People thought I was a witch. One rumor started that I was blind....seriously. People thought I was blind and had "mystical powers". Another rumor started that I went insane and cut off my own arm. I have NO IDEA how the f*ck that couldve started lol. Now, these little tiny examples of people being a bunch of supersticious morons is just a microcosm of the larger picture. Truth be known, people are like this world wide. They are f*cking idiots.

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Being connected to every atom of every molecule in all the universe is  a staggering large picture isn't it?  Judge once examined the question and answered it thusly:

" I was reading a book and looking around within myself to see how I could enlarge my idea of brotherhood. Practice in benevolence will not give it its full growth. I had to find some means of reaching further, and struck on this, which is as old as old age.
    I am not separate from anything. "I am that which is." That is, I am Brahma, and Brahma is everything. But being in an illusionary world, I am surrounded by certain appearances that seem to make me separate. So I will proceed to mentally state and accept that I am all these illusions. I am my friends, -- and then I went to them in general and in particular. I am my enemies; then I felt them all. I am the poor and the wicked; I am the ignorant. Those moments of intellectual gloom are the moments when I am influenced by those ignorant ones who are myself. All this in my nation. But there are many nations, and to those I go in mind; I feel and I am them all, with what they hold of superstition or of wisdom or evil. All, all is myself. Unwisely, I was then about to stop, but the whole is Brahma, so I went to the Devas and Asuras: the elemental world, that too is myself. After pursuing this course awhile I found it easier to return to a contemplation of all men as myself. It is a good method and ought to be pursued, for it is a step toward getting into contemplation of the All. I tried last night to reach up to Brahma, but darkness is about his pavilion"  Letters That Have Helped Me pp 8-9.

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97 Reply by Khalil (edited by Khalil 2007-12-12 01:13:00)

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Nyarlathotep how does what you wrote above show in anyway that you have any idea, tact , manners or love for your fellow man?
What is it with followers or students or people who say they understand Crowley that they always get mad when someone simply says, I don't feel comfortable with all this hocus pocus and I'm not into numbers and stuff, love it if you must but be carefull as it includeds standards and practices and structures that promote deception?
How does reading all sorts of reports, good and bad about Crowley lack depth?
You want me to name names , give quotes and page numbers when it is all easily found on the web?
Should I start practicing the occult and then come back when I have more "experience"?
Why do you use f**k him and f**k him and people worldwide are f**king idiots?
What's wrong with you?
I tell you what some people are like world wide shall I?

Angry

I was wrong to return to this thread as it seems to be a festival for low vibration feeders.

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I have every right to be angry, honestly. I think you really havent read Crowley. If you are not lying, then list the books you have read and say why you dont get it. You can continue to use cute words like hocus pocus, thats fine. If you think the study of alchemy is just "hocus pocus" thats fine too. If you think I study things that promote deception, go right ahead. If you think I "follow" crowley, be my guest. If you dont like numbers, who is stopping you. If you think I am a "low vibration feeder", super duper.

I just want to ask. What books did you read and what do you really know about the subjects written about? I like to read authors that actually think crowley ate babies lol. I read texx marrs because he has a lot of great information. Even though he is off in some areas, like saying that all kabbalism is evil and all things occult are of satan and lucifer, I still enjoy the guys writting. I dont really care about his personal beliefs because the information itself is what I care about.

The reason I said f*ck crowley is because it is not about him, it is about the information. YOu are focusing on the man and you are refusing to mention or speak of anything he wrote about. Dont you think that is a bit "low", or that that is the act of a "low vibration feeder"? You know, sacred geometry, alchemy, numerology, tarot, astrology. shamanism and all the rest of it, whether you like it or not, are tools to expand consciousness and to become more aware of ones true nature. If you dont think so, peachy. If you want to live in a fearful supersticious bubble, lovely. YOu can continue to focus on the man and not the information. Im not here to say you cant.

You said of Don Milos blog on the Book of the Law that he is a freemason and is sharing with his freemason friends, and that neither he nor anyone else has a clue. ...hmmmmm low vibration feeders? What do you think about the information instead of jumping to ridiculous conclusions?

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Antaeus wrote:
"I suppose Bhang is attempting to describe the validity or ethics of Aleister Crowley's endeavor of a lifetime, by how rocknroll groups utilize information that they may have retrieved from articles and books written by the above.  Would that be a tad unfair?  Or, one more form of utilizing disinformation to denigrate the life's work of a man?"

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"Neither really. I do not trust any publications 100%. I do not not know who publishes the material, I do not follow every footnote or source, I have no idea if anything being presented is the actual truth. I can only validate my personal experiences, anything that I have not done or experienced is hearsay and must be judged with sound mind and pure heart. As of late I see that I'm guilty of my transgressions against my own soul and the souls of humanity. I participate in fear mongering; for I am frightened and would like to help others with information I find useful for survival into a new world order. Yet I cannot validate any information I pass along even if I find the information archived at multiple "trustworthy" sites.
Old books are much safer than the internet. I've always considered the "web" (venomous, six eyed, eight legged, weaver of silken death with fangs that suck the blood out of it's victim) to be the supreme-anti-trust. We still have a few more years of rather good information streaming through the wires and stored on the servers but if the elite do not get their "internet 2" then it is obvious that a total revamping of the entire structure will be in order; albeit criminal. It will only be another two generations before books are nearly gone and pixelized data will be the standard. I think we all know how vulnerable computer data is.
The point is, we are here discussing, debating and most importantly learning from one another here. I have to say that many of Crowley's writings are profound, even awe inspiring but we cannot escape what his books and writings say about being in league with Satan. Furthermore if you are subscribing to Crowley (Lucifarian Principals) , then you have automatically acknowledged the God of the Bible, and have condoned the Christ consciousness. You have willingly turned your back on salvation. You cannot have a Satan without God.
I think the internet has so much potential for good but is ultimately a tool of evil that will change the world from bad to worse. It has not only enlightened me (turned me into a light bearer) but has changed my mind set and reality tunnels multiple times, turning me into a scatter brained, self proclaimed info warroir, who has only pieces of stories in his head and needs the f*cking internet to explain anything I'm trying to talk about. I know tons of links but I do not know the whole subject of, well... anything! If rock music had not influenced me so much as it did when I was younger, I wonder what my thoughts/feelings towards society would be now? If the internet had not influenced me, I wonder if I would have  a more pure (peaceful)  state of mind and soul?"

Just looking trough this 7 page thread I see how both sides of the fence here are represented. I'm very surprised to see how this video spawned such emotion and fire here. This really is a touchy subject that could be debated infinitum, but I'm convinced that almost any statement can be judged by your heart and life experience in order to determine the probabilities and likelihood of truth in said statement, or as more clearly stated by SiriArc:

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Bhang, you appear fair minded in attempts to assess information.  I can relate to the scatter-brain comment.  Or, maybe I should say resonate?  DanB posted two links on Ayahuasca's 'money as debt' thread.  I watched both and lost much of my scepticism about the Mayan culture.  I avoided Mayan subject matter, mostly because of their graphics, the images associated with their culture.  I could go on in depth on that but maybe some other time.  Ian Xel Lungold was the speaker in both utube video's, and he mentioned that our -- free will -- is; we choose what we put our attention to.   

So, there you have it.  I don't believe anything anybody says.  You can absorb all the information, knowledge, put names to this or that, and understanding will never come unless expansion of consciousness which means merging of consciousness, instill within an individual, the capacity for greater understanding.

If I want to give up my free will and let others determine for me, what I should put my attention to, just remember to have a big wallet, or dispatch my physical body back to the Earth.  So, to date, I feel that my free will, 'lies in the whispering wind' hah! just playing around.  My free will lies in my autonomy of directing my attention.  I dictate where my attention is directed.  I'm the dictator of Antaeus.  In Antaeus realm, the king is generous, regenerative and blesses the honorable and righteous.  His warriors never serve themselves or act out of anger, hatred or vengence.  The lover only marvels in the interconnectedness of ALL.  I don't know what the magician is up to right now.

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Bhang wrote: Furthermore if you are subscribing to Crowley (Lucifarian Principals) , then you have automatically acknowledged the God of the Bible, and have condoned the Christ consciousness. You have willingly turned your back on salvation. You cannot have a Satan without God.
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You wrote, 'condoned the Christ consciousness and then ...willingly turned your back on salvation.'  It made me lose one of the 72, now I gotta do some goetics to get it back.  I think it went into the computer.

Oh! I want to mention just one more thing, That which is The Divine Originant I would not refer to as God, as I would be using a limiting or diminutive definition.  I think the reason we got this enforced monotheism is because people would be worshipping either the same god using various names due to varying regions, or worshipping gods by correct names but as if this god is the ALL, BOUNDLESS, DIVINE ORIGINANT, CAUSELESS CAUSE.  The hierarchies intermediate, now, are all referred to as angels.  They're all seen as never having to go through physical incarnations like we are doing.  Ah, I'm trying to say a lot with a few words.  In not the too far off distant future, we will be gods ourselves.  That is not blasphemy, go see the word HaShem.  It is one more referent to the notion that we should not attempt to define, thus putting limit to the LIMITLESS.

I'm not lecturing just putting thoughts out there.  Don't get me wrong, I am stupid enough to lecture people that are smarter than me.

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Just what is "one of the 72"???

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And what is your definition of 'goetics' ? The best I found was the following;

Goetics: 

"...are a pick and mix of spirits, some are old Sumerian/babylon Gods etc. The only relation to planetary attributions are to the metals for their seals. They maybe be attributed to the tree of life more for their virtues/talents in more modern times, but this I believe was not the intention.

"Another thing is that they seem to be among the easiest spirits to evoke"

Not for me at the moment, although I am going strictly by the book. Angelic/enochian/olympic can be just as resposive. It largley depends how choose to evoke and work with them.

"don't think you could ever trust them?"

Remaining skeptical is a healthy attitude in some ways. Although I would say the same thing about other pantheons. There are measures in place triangle/curses that the spirit is bound to, to answer truthfully and carry out charges if all other conditions are met by the magician.

"don't they require "something" in return for their assistance such as a sacrifice or something"

Again this largely depends on your beliefs. LHP practitioners do I believe, feel more of a "repect", sometimes not using triangles/circles etc. Although there are a couple of spirits (kings) that routinely require offerings when evoking them. And others that will decieve the magician if he does."
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Just kidding around, I don't mess with any of that stuff; goetia, Qlippoth, The Tunnels of Set.  I put a very small part of my study to the works of Crowley.  In a subject/object or Joseph Campbell style, which means I maintain a shell around me.  That which I truly want to know, I have to become it, in order to deeply understand.  The greatest difficulty I have is my resistence to following the Noble Eight Fold Path.  For some reason I have a strong pull on me toward Buddhism, with an equal force of repulsion keeping me at a distance.  It is probably due to the fact that I study Theosophy above all else and much of it is filled with Buddhistic priciples. 

The saying, "never trust a man who does not know what he wants" is revealing in that you can discern this type of person by their graspings and gropings to possess things.  Gurjieff mentioned that knowledge is a thing.  It is material.  Not knowing what he wants being apparent by the daily life of a person engaged with fulfilling desires.  This type of person is known by their drive to acquire, to possess.  It can also be a natural thing, in that this greed to possess knowlege is merely a manifestation of a person wanting to know why he is here.  It will always be known as greed, in that many of these types usually trample others in their quest, when they should already realize that we are Self, One, and in certain steps, this is literally true.  So, a person who doesn't know what he wants, usually reveals this in the fact that he appears to want everything.  A person who does not know what he wants, means it would probably be a bad thing studying Crowley's particular endeavors.  Realization by a person of what is the highest goal can keep a person safe from becoming immersed or enmeshed within whatever successes in these Crowlian style endeavors might lead him to. 

If blood = semen, and death = ecstasy, and kill = ejaculation, then there is no evidence of sacrifice, but it points to a deviation from the original tantric ritual, which did not entail sexual relations as part of the ceremonies.  I realize that I may still be inaccurate in that a communion with a divine spirit has been compared with the extreme pleasures experienced in sexual relations.  So there you still have something pointing to virtue, in that there is only being stated, a comparison to some feeling which we are familiar with, in describing the sensation of communion with your own god, your personal spirit.

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