"Lay down your life" (Page 2 of 3)

No, you said they would "most likely" be the ones to do that nice list of charitable and selfless acts, which implies that non-Christians would most likely not do those things....which implies that Christians tend to be better people.  That seems to be the not-so-subtle message of your post.   Now you're changing it around saying that they'd do these things from the heart without thinking twice about the misinterpretations behind the whole concept.  Totally different idea than what you conveyed in your previous post.  If you really meant the second idea, then why not say that first?  Why go the long route by saying something you didn't mean?

Anyway, I don't mean to get involved in some round and round debate, but your post begged to be commented on.

1.  You're manipulating and being childish here.  Are you apologizing for this reason?  Or for a misunderstanding, as noted previously? The point is what you said......not what your motivations were for saying it. So stay on point, otherwise it's manipulation.  Your reasons for saying it have nothing to do with anything we're currently talking about.  (and as noted below, I do understand and accept whatever it was as being an unfortunate miscommunications.  So, moving on from that subject.)

2.  It's funny, but Muslims....and pagans, and indiginous people, and anybody else who was a victim of the Church's genocide throughout history in the form of Holy Wars, Inquisitions ("Accept Jesus Christ or else be killed") and witch hunts/trials could also claim the same.  A 2000 year old bashing spree. Certain Christians seem to have a selective memory when it comes to who's bashing whom though, funny enough.    They only remember when they're the victim, not when their religion is the bully victimizer.

But you know that "Us vs. Them," "divide and conquer" are tactics of the Powers that Be?  Get both sides squabbling with each other, fighting over who's the victim, who's the victimizer doing a bashing spree, who's right, who's wrong, so that everybody becomes separated, fighting and warring, and then nobody notices the puppet masters behind the curtain who are really in charge, egging on both sides?

That's fine, I understand.  Got it.  Moving on.

Have NO idea what you're talking about here.  I'm sure it makes sense to you, but I'm lost.

Anyway, that's all I have to say on this matter.  Carry on.....

My understanding is that you believe the astrological explanation of the accounts of the bible. If you want we can have ourselves quite a debate on this subject. 

In order to understand the importance of the biblical scriptures you must first understand that over the centuries it has been distorted by the illuminati to further it's agenda in aquiring world domination.  The earliest translations of the bible into the english language eventhough they are the closest translations from the ancient languages still need concordances to understand the the context of the scripture.

Whether you are a christian or believe in the bible at all, the following events are a matter of historical fact and affect us all. In 1517 Martin Luther and a faction of bible believing christians protested principles within catholicism, this was the Glorious Reformation.

The reaction the Roman Catholic Church had to the reformation was a counter-reformation launched at the Council of Trent, Italy. What was created at Trent and soon after was the Office of Inquisition and the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), also created were false christian doctrine and where zionism, christian zionism, plan for Israel ect. come in.  The counter-reformation came up with a false doctrine to counter these accusation called "futurism".

1. What is Historicism?

The Historicism is the historical interpretation of many of the prophecies in the book of Revelation, particularly regarding Antichrist. The Anti-Christ, Man of Sin, or Mystery of Iniquity is the system of Papacy. The Reformers had the historical interpretation of the Antichrist. Historicism has no "gap" between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel 9. The Prince being cut off in the midst of the week is Christ, the Messiah, who died in the midst of the 70th week of favor to natural Israel at the first advent. Historicism treats Revelation as a Book of signs and symbols.

2. What is Futurism?

The Futurist view of Revelation interprets the prophecies of Antichrist as a future literal man who deceives the world. The Futurist view interprets Revelation literally, not symbolically. There is a "gap" of over 2400 years between the 69th week and 70th week of Daniel 9. The Prince is the Man of Sin, Antichrist. The Futurist view was introduced by the Jesuits to counter the Reformation view of Papacy.

One thing pointed out by the protestants was the Roman Catholic church fit the descriptors in the Book of Revelation, Daniel and II Thes.2 as the AntiChrist, Beast and Great Whore(apostate church).

The endtime plan to create this state of Israel and build some temple for this false AC had to include Jews or at least a group calling themselves Jews. The first Jesuit General founder Inigo de Loyala, was that of a Belgian Jew named Eberhard Mercurian.

The whole christian-zionism doctrine was introduced into the protestants through the Scofield Reference Bible:

What protestant church founders had to say about the Papacy

Cheers, PhiConcept.

I know the singer/rocker Sting may be a devil and a new ager (but he writes good songs, or has good songs written for him, and the beat is good).

Here's excerpts from one of his songs (from "Sacred Love" -2003, and the song "This War")

there's a war on our democracy
a war on dissent
there's a war inside religion
and what Jesus might have meant

there's a war on mother nature
a war upon the seas
there's a war upon the forests
on the birds and the bees

there's a war on education
a war on information
a war between the sexes
and every nation

a war on our compassion
a war on understanding
a war on love and life itself
it's war that they're demanding

make it easy on yourself
and don't do nothing

So, there are many interpretations on Jesus Christ's teachings, and religion is man-made, so who's to know who has it exactly correct?  I am a liberal Christian (non-denominational, I believe in good saints, good people, and good angels, and some good extra-terrestrials) and I don't preach fire and brimstone or try to convert others, yet I know some do, which isn't always bad (if you can help someone, or even save them from themselves, it must be good, as long as their free-will remains intact).

What about all the other 4 billion people of different religions? The Buddhists, The Muslims, The Taoists, The Native Indigenous, and many more?

Do they cease to exist at the end of the world?

Are we in end times? Many generations before us have thought so and were wrong. It says somewhere in the bible, no one knows the hour or the day, not even the angels, but only our Father in Heaven.

Christians are good loving people (except the domineering frightful hell fire and brimstone, accusatory, controlling ones) and mean well and try to help others and the world, even though some may indeed be simple minded and naive.

One thing I notice, is that the current Pope, a German and former boy scout Nazi, with an evil sounding original name of Rat-zinger, and an evil looking face, may be a sort of anti-christ, and I do know the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by satanists, evil doers, as many other Protestant Churches, but many Catholics/Protestants may be innocent followers...

It seems to me that yes, "there is war inside religion, and what Jesus might have meant".

Even Pope John Paul had a questionable background, supposedly traficking in cyanide gas that killed Jewish people in WWII.

The Inquisition and torture and burnings were horrific, and i am sure many innocent people died.

Many fundamentalist Christians are an intolerant hateful bunch, dont know how many really, but different parts of the USA are different to live in as I have learned while living in the so called bible belt.

In 2005, I went through my storage unit and gave away most all of my worldly possessions in order to lighten my load and prove to myself I was/am not attached to a material money oriented life, a cleansing of sorts, and I tried to be like a saint and travel widely and lightly, only to later get bogged down by some other material items, yet still not clinging to possessions, using them as tools to better myself mostly.  My life thus far has been one of tragedy and turmoil, yet maybe because I have not lost hope in Jesus and he still believes in me, even when I have my doubts, I will find a better life after death and mingle with the good saints, good angels, good departed spirits, and good e.t.'s.

I am willing to lay down my life and give up all my possessions when the time comes, because you don't take anything with you when you die, except your soul and spirit.

I hope Jesus Christ was/is real and provides safety, rescue, and a better future to all those who believe in him.

I am hedging my bet, and erring on the cautious side, and taking a leap of faith, believing in him and saying that I believe he is the Saviour and that we are not saved by good works alone, but by the Grace of God the Great Holy Spirit and Creator.

The Holy Spirit is a Spirit received at baptism when a believer accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.  It's called being born again, being born in Spirit or being saved from the blindness of the world.  Baptism occurs when a person is given the opportunity to receive Jesus Christ into their life and accepts. 

After accepting Jesus Christ as a personal Lord and Saviour a person will experience tremendous changes in their life.  The transformation will lead to becoming more and more like Jesus himself and the beginning will usually feel overwhelming while the initial changes take effect.  Any 'born again' christian will acknowledge that at baptism in the Holy Spirit a new relationship is established with Jesus Christ in a spiritual sence.  From the beginning the Holy Ghost becomes a believers personal guide and intercessor with Jesus Christ (a believer joins the spiritual body of Christ) and Jesus Christ becomes a believers ambassador to God.

Peace, PhiConcept.

PhiConcept , without trying to offend or preach, I think that JC is mentioned far too much in my life as it is, for us "non-believers", going to heaven or hell, holy ghost, the "truth" Christ spoke off is a hard pill to swallow.
One cannot  say with surety JC was here or JC was not here.
I am only interested in facts.
It is foolish to say you are dumb because you do not accept something on blind faith, it is this which makes you blind.
I see the bible as a fairy tale and not even a very exciting one at that, quite boring.
To the many who do good in the world I am eternally gratefull but since "waking up" I find the concept and preachings of all religions to be abhorant, dogmatic,whimsical, farcical and make believe.
The powers that be are just that, powers and the battle never sleeps.
They have the powers to fool you into thinking something heavenly is occuring.
The result is millions of sheep.

Ofcourse you are free to worship as you wish and continue to expound the "gospel" as you see fit, you do not need my blessing but I beg you to investigate the validity of your convictions more thoroughly.

To the OP the question of laying down your life is created to inspire zealots, martyrs and fanatics.
Another instrument which causes the human entity to allow the brain to be overloaded with mindless life-long devotion, including martyrdom, or taking anothers life, also causing a justification to be made which gives permission to live with unholy acts.
Mary Magdalene and the life of JC is another smoke an mirror trick, the illusion grows when the focus remains upon it.