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Good to hear that Ron Paul did excellent. All the other candidates... Who needs them. If Ron Paul doesn't win, who would?

Really, who would??

There's no good substitute!

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There is no substitute for toothe.  big_smile  If RP doesn't win I fear to think who will win.   
http://forum.noblerealms.org/pics/1014_no-hillary.jpg


If Paul does win I still have issues with his desire for less federal gov.  The best thing is that it's bully pulpit theater at  best!  Like, "No funding for this war!"  Woops, the senate didn't hear that one.

Found the video from last night...long,yes, but it has some great thing to say about the fringe, 911, and other such proclivaties.

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/

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What I find interesting is some of the terminology used by the Ron Paul campaign.  "Money BOMB", Ron Paul rEVOLution (with EVOL in red (I know they are saying it's "love" but I still get a weird feeling when I see the sign).  Stuff like that.  It just creeps me out.

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You've got to be kidding me.

Okay this is too much... its like... its like not wanting to go to school.  Wow!

"Mommy whos that on the screen?"

"Well thats going to be our new president!"




I really think this is the end now.  Strap yourselves in, this gonna be one hell of a ride.

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oh my GOD, i laughed really hard watching these videos you posted lyra. It's like...what, is she drunk or something? But wahts worse is the laugh is almost contagious! like a virus! DANGER DANGER Will Robinson!!!

No but seriously, i love it!
Not her, but the whole thing is just funny (in a nervous kinda way).

Thanks for the good laugh!

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lyra wrote:

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The really weird thing is that she starts laughing for no reason, when no one has said anything even remotely humorous.   And doing a REALLY bad job at at.   I see only two possibilities:

1) she's either the worst actress in the world, hands-down, or

2) she's an alien whose human-emulating subroutine has run out of fuel, and her shell is now malfunctioning. 

I tend to lean towards choice #2 as being the factually correct answer ... it would explain more.     I'm not even really joking.   

I have observed that true, genuine laughter and happiness never emanate from those who are committed dark-siders; it's just not part of who/what they are.     So their only option is to fake and mirror back our emotions.     It's also a good way to discern the nature of synchronicities when they happen.   The good ones sometimes are really funny and humorous, and leave no room as to their meaning or intent.    The negative ones never are.

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I was curious about Barack Obama so I went to see him speak at a campaign appearance. I'll have to admit that I found him to be very likable; he came across as warm, friendly, well spoken, caring, and knowledgeable. After about 1/2 hour of his speech it started to dawn on me that Obama is all style and no substance. He is great at listing all of the problems that need to be solved but is very short on specifics for fixing them. Worse, he seems to have no idea of the precarious financial situation that  currently faces us as a nation. Later I discovered that Obama's wife is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. This guy is bad news but millions of gullible people will probably vote for him...

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is just the opposite... He looks old and tired, is not handsome or particularly well spoken, and often gets a bit flustered when challenged on his positions. But he has correctly identified the sources of the problems we face and the difficult, but necessary, actions we could take to solve them. Can anyone here remember any other politician calling for an end to the Federal Reserve system??? My guess is that Ron Paul will be assassinated if his campaign starts to gain any traction in the early primaries. sad

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lawofattraction wrote:

I was curious about Barack Obama so I went to see him speak at a campaign appearance. I'll have to admit that I found him to be very likable; he came across as warm, friendly, well spoken, caring, and knowledgeable. After about 1/2 hour of his speech it started to dawn on me that Obama is all style and no substance. He is great at listing all of the problems that need to be solved but is very short on specifics for fixing them. Worse, he seems to have no idea of the precarious financial situation that  currently faces us as a nation. Later I discovered that Obama's wife is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. This guy is bad news but millions of gullible people will probably vote for him...

Thank you!  That's exactly what I was noting on the previous page.  All style, with good oratory skills, but no substance, and the way he tosses out a huge list of problems to get the audience fired up and rallying along with him.....but with zero solutions offered.  It's such a joke.  And the fact that he's a distant cousin to Dick Cheney, which ties into his wife being a CFR member like you mentioned.  People will vote for him though, because A) He's democrat, and B) Good speaking skills and the ability to fire up the crowd by knowing the right things to say and the right buttons to push. 

I just wish people would wake up to the fact that this country is being played in such a big way.  It's all a joke. The people that the public is being given the "choice" to vote for are not the real people in charge.  And I believe that even goes for Ron Paul.  I'm curious though what purpose it would serve to have somebody out there on the campaign trail stumping for an end to the Federal Reserve, a return to following the Constitution and getting government out of our lives.  Because I do believe that any politician that's out there in the mainstream with so much visibility is in on it, in some way.  That they aren't completely free and independent, no matter what we may want to believe.  So I'm watching the whole Ron Paul thing with confusion and interest, trying to figure out what's going on here.  Although as noted before, none of these candidates, not even Ron Paul, are addressing any of the true, BIG ISSUES of what's really going on here and who's really controlling things in this reality. And that may be the answer right there.  Sure, issues such as getting rid of the Federal Reserve and getting the gov't out of our lives is "fringe" for mainstream politics, it's still not even touching upon the BIG issues going on here.  And that's probably the answer to my question, right there.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I don't think you could be a candidate discussing the kind of BIG ISSUES we talk about without alienating a large majority of the public.  That kind of candidate would have no chance of winning. 

I see this as a sort of reality-balancing act.  Imagine that existence is on this 2-dimensional up/down scale (positive/negative, you/me, etc/etcetera). The path of progress (forward) is exponentially more open into a 3rd dimension the closer to the MIDDLE, at the perfect balance between these two opposing forces. By striking this balance and consistently attempting to reconcile and understand these two forces we increasingly move closer and closer to this middle point which technically translates to exponential, infinite progress into the next dimension. On 2nd thought, progress is structurally similar to a black hole.

As things seem to naturally fluctuate between two opposites to find the perfect balance in the center, Ron Paul seems to be a good swing in the other direction (both Dems and Repubs espouse corporatism (fascist socialism) when we could really use a candidate swinging back towards actual capitalism (free markets, etc. - break the corporate strangehold on our economy)  We can swing back for the good parts of socialism (universal healthcare, food, housing, education) once we get our economy in control.  With the influx of ideas in a competitive open idea market (free to try 'new' education styles, Socratic method?  new energy investment opportunities, biocrude from algae, high capacity batteries, solar/wind/wave power, "free energy") we can hope to have a much more stable system for the next generation to inherit.

Although according to the Mayan Calendar we are in the 5th night cycle, which means something "shitty".  BUT!  Something cool always happens afterwards.  If Bush & Co. try to get another war going it will be a cosmic joke.

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What 'big issues' do you mean Lyra? Ron Paul has gone farther than most politicians in pointing out the evils of the Federal Reserve and has given mention to ruling families when asked an impromptu question at a RP rally. I think he is aware of the big issues that you mention. However, talking about them would be like drawing a big bullseye on his forehead for Fox News to take shots at. These shots would make him look bad to the people that are unaware of such issues, thinking him as a crackpot, and reduce his potency in such an election. Me, as RP's campiagn manager, would advice my main man RP to keep his mouth shut about the Illuminati/Aliens/Ruling Families and concentrate on what is important to the American public.

RP for President!

"Violence solves everything. If it's not solving your problems, you aren't using enough of it."

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It probably doesn't matter who has what to say about anything as Oprah has thrown her hat in the Obaba Lama's (or whatever his name is) ring.  I'm going to bet that more than the majority will follow her, even if she decided to back Dora the Explorer.

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(I had a big "thought ball" going through my mind, so, this is my attempt at untangling that and trying to coherently lay out my various questions and ideas with regards to this topic....)



Mahatma wrote:

What 'big issues' do you mean Lyra? Ron Paul has gone farther than most politicians in pointing out the evils of the Federal Reserve and has given mention to ruling families when asked an impromptu question at a RP rally. I think he is aware of the big issues that you mention. However, talking about them would be like drawing a big bullseye on his forehead for Fox News to take shots at. These shots would make him look bad to the people that are unaware of such issues, thinking him as a crackpot, and reduce his potency in such an election. Me, as RP's campiagn manager, would advice my main man RP to keep his mouth shut about the Illuminati/Aliens/Ruling Families and concentrate on what is important to the American public.

Huh.  I would have thought that the Illuminati/Aliens/Ruling Families IS what's important to the American public.  hmm  I guess I was wrong.

I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you Mahatma, but since you did mention my name and asked me point blank, I'll answer using your response.  To me, what your last sentence (which I bolded) is saying is: "We know that something is majorly wrong here on Planet Earth, that we're being lied to in a big way about the entire nature of our existence........but keep quiet about that and focus on the other issues."

Which leads to:


Millsley wrote:

I don't think you could be a candidate discussing the kind of BIG ISSUES we talk about without alienating a large majority of the public.  That kind of candidate would have no chance of winning.

I know that no candidate can possibly talk about these subjects and hope to win.  I wasn't saying that.  What I'm trying to say is that most of us here at Noble Realms are generally more clued in to the true nature of things than the average person....even the average alert person.  We take things here as far as they'll go, and don't just stop with the surface level fringe conspiracy subjects.  And yet I see many of these same aware NR'ers endorsing Ron Paul and making excuses as to why it's okay to basically ignore all that we know, and just....keep playing along in the illusory election farce and support somebody who is only scratching the surface of things.  Pretend that that's still good enough by this point in 2007.  Yes, even Ron Paul's surface scratching is deeper than most other candidates are willing to go...but it's still scratching the surface.  And by this point in 2007, it should no longer be good enough considering how the fringe conspiracy information has spread to millions of people by this point courtesy of the internet and all the books and magazine articles that are out there.   We need to go all the way to the top and wake up and put an end to the lies and deception.   Now.  Not tiptoeing our way up to that point.....several decades from now.  100-200 years from now.  Yeah, I tend to be a bit impatient I guess you could say, but man, enough is enough already.  This world has gotten out of control.  How much longer do we tiptoe around it all with what so many people know by this point?

At what point will we as a people be ready to face the music about the truth of what's going on in this reality?   

Are say, several million aware people (hypothetical number) who've read all the material that we talk about here on NR and who are "on the level," enough to turn the system on its head.....even when the other 300+ million people aren't on the same page or "ready" to become aware yet? 

At what point do things tip? 

Are people kidding themselves to think the time isn't right yet, so in the meantime, just "settle" for the best that we have at the moment....somebody who is technically still only scratching the surface?

I mean sure, Ron Paul is the lesser of all the evils (in my opinion) and if we HAVE to have an "elected" figurehead puppet in front of us, it may as well be him.  Better him than Hillary for the next 4 years, or somebody like Obama who just gets up there and makes grandiose speeches full of empty rhetroic, or any of the crusty old thin lipped beady eyed white Republican candidates being offered. 

Anyway, that's my point.  Stepping down off soapbox now.  wink

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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The majority of people in this world equate limitation with safety. Most cannot even come to grips with their own childhood let alone being shown the true nature of so-called reality. People will fight to the death to prove their story and keep their own version of reality intact. We can show the majority of the world's population endless amounts of material to awaken them, but that doesn't remove the fact that they're still functioning on their own deeply seeded filters. You could have alien spaceships descend from the sky globally, broadcast it on every channel, and there would still be people that wouldn't get it.

There is a hypnotic phenomenon called a negative hallucination, only a person doesn't need to be in a deep trance to experience it. It is a common daily occurrence for everyone. Here is a overly used story to clarify:

Magellan sailed around South America and landed there. He had three huge masted ships anchored out a distance in the sea. The natives couldn't see those ships because they were so far beyond anything they could never imagine, and they had no reference point for sailing vessels of this magnitude. The natives could see the small boats that Magellan's crew used to row up to shore. The traders that the Spanish used to come ashore were similar to the natives' own canoes. However, the natives absolutely could not see the big ships. When they looked upon the waters, they saw a clear horizon with nothing upon it and kept saying "I can't see it".

Then, the native shamans appeared and said, "If you look out there on the horizon and envision this boat, it is about this big and this long and this high." So the natives strained and looked again and again, and finally one of the natives said, "Does it have a red flag?" and the shaman said, "Yes!" They were sensing a possibility and concept for something for which they had no previous framework or reference point. Once one of them saw the red flag, they filled in the gaps.

This is a wonderful demonstration of how when our perceptions change, gradually everything becomes clearer and filled with new possibilities.

And now we have talented groups out there that manufacture both rational and irrational propaganda on a global scale, and they've been at it for a while so they've become quite good at creating reality for the average joe. THEY engineer negative hallucinations - massive memes for the masses. I think Robert Anton Wilson explains this phenomenon quite well in conjunction with his ideas on reality tunnels in Cosmic Trigger and Prometheus Rising.

In my experience the only ones that awaken when shown a truth are people who are already aware of their own individual self-awareness. Teachers like Gurdjieff and Paramahansa Yogananda, who focused on awareness and awakening, don't seem to have even made a dent. I'm all for some action but unfortunately I think it will take a global catastrophe, but I'm open to suggestions.

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lyra wrote:

I'm curious though what purpose it would serve to have somebody out there on the campaign trail stumping for an end to the Federal Reserve, a return to following the Constitution and getting government out of our lives.  Because I do believe that any politician that's out there in the mainstream with so much visibility is in on it, in some way.  That they aren't completely free and independent, no matter what we may want to believe.  So I'm watching the whole Ron Paul thing with confusion and interest, trying to figure out what's going on here.

My theory: The Powers That Be™ know that a significant number of citizens have gotten wise to the covert control being exerted over the world -- still a minority, but enough that the elite are becoming concerned.   They know that SOME kind of damage control is in order, to prevent citizen discontent from becoming too widespread.    Therefore, Ron Paul is being allowed to become a "major contender" and "have a real chance at winning."     Predictably, all the people in the freedom movement are all excited because they finally have a candidate they can agree on and rally behind.

Soon enough, the primaries will come, and Ron Paul will not win.   It will be a great disappointment for all of us, to be sure.    But hey, he put in a really good effort, right?  Yeah!  Unfortunately, the majority of people ended up voting for a different candidate.  Ron Paul was "too extreme" for most people, after all.   Hey, that's democracy for you!  And anyone who complains about that is obviously just a sore loser.       Ron Paul had his fair chance ... and lost.   We can't blame the system, now, can we?     And that's what they want everyone to remember, once their next puppet leader has been enthroned and things are back to business as usual.