do any of you actually believe in Karma & Reincarnation? (Page 4 of 6)

I love how threads grow here.

My sense of things is that if it is conceivable, it exists. 3D is the place where so much is not seen or known/understood, not because it doesn't exist but because this level of consciousness is limited by design. A place to explore ideas on faith or in fear, so to say. But anything conceived is created in the All. Anyway, so that goes to the "do you believe in" question.

But also, I recall reading a book as a child and realizing that I knew the landscape being described like I knew my back yard. I live in the US and had never left it's borders at the time I was reading this book, but the place being described in the book was Gretna Green, near the English/Scottish border. I "remembered" it as a favorite place of mine, dear to my heart. I also "knew" Downing Street in London as if I'd walked it a thousand times, and even remembered a scene of a life I had there... though in the poorer area.

For a few years in my pre-teen age I felt certain I just had to go to England, it was important. I dreamt of it for a while after I'd read the book and had the realizations, too. The dreams had an "other life" quality to them, and though I don't typically cling to these things, at that time I even got confused a few times about which life I was living upon waking in the morning. The pull to these places and the feelings they evoked was strong. I felt certain that if I could just shift myself somehow just a bit, I would remember "everything", feeling certain there was tons to remember.

There have been other moments and feelings and "knowings" like that over my life, too. I know just what it feels like to be a crooked, arthritic-ridden male sea captain sailing on the open sea, for some reason. And loving the sea like my beloved, knowing "her" moods... the whole bit. I had a flash once of being a Native American female who was so connected to the earth and life, and knew "my job" was to hold a vibration for the planet as she went through changes at some point in the deep past.

When I moved to the South I visited a history museum and stood before a beach front war scene re-enactment in miniature, with sounds and light flashes and all... and it shook me to my core. My friend came upon me shaking from head to toe with tears streaming down my face. She startled me, because I was "somewhere else" until she touched me. While watching the re-enactment scene, I "remembered" having killed my own brother in "the war". We were on opposite sides (North/South) and the second I killed him I wailed so deep, realizing that what we were fighting about was nowhere near as important as love, that my brother's life was utterly precious and principles and causes were meaningless in the big picture... and that I'd screwed up... again. The feeling was as though I knew in that moment that I'd lived before and killed before and meant not to in that life, but messed up yet again, kind of thing.

But I must say, my sense is not so much that there are "past" or "future" lives from the Self's perspective, because all time is NOW and I literally experience a timelessness within. It's more that the human aspect/mind tends to need to perceive things using a linear time construct, so we think of them as "past life" or "future life" events, when really they're occurring in the same eternal NOW moment as the life our consciousness is focused on in 2007. So in that sense, I wouldn't say I adhere to a strict belief in reincarnation as I've seen it explained by many. Multiple simultaneous lives, yes. Multiple linearly progressive lives, not so much.

On that note I thought Jane Roberts' "Oversoul Seven" trilogy did a great job of explicating the idea of simultaneous multiple lives.

I think you touched the essentials of karma right there Sowelu.  Very insightful.

I think the "whole truth" you mention  includes the fact that the current experience relates to the "CURRENT" of energy we are resonating with.   We know that karma is different for eveyone, so where do these karmic "currents" come from.  If we believe the scriptures of east and west it comes from ourselves.  That is why we resonate with it when it returns to us.  It usually just "re"- "in"-"forces" our perception of ourselves and so many people learn nothing fom it.  The main lesson being... " If  i've really created all this then i am going to change myself  ... Instead of being run over by the bus I AM going to be in the drivers seat... and i will learn to be a careful driver."

Ever seen artistic depictions of Krishna?  He is shown as a serene 'warrior' [the higher Self] standing in a chariot [the physical body], holding the reins of the 5 bulls pulling on the chariot [the 5 senses].  Krishna adeptly steers the chariot forward, hand on the reins.  A perfect picture of the the careful driver, the spiritual victor over the karmic psychological forces and the traps of sensuality and materialism.

Anyway, my understanding of karma is that the vibratory rate of our own personal energy field has been pre-determined by our own experience in this and past lives and is sustained by our current perception of ourselves and our environment.  [although we can always exert the effort to break the cycle and the resonance patterns and change it all by drawing forth the superior power of inner spiritual consciousness .....Krishna consciousness/ Christ consciousness/ higher Self ]

I have written similarly about the following on some other thread [OP children?] which got into these subjects a little bit but it is relevant to this thread too so here goes.  I was hoping Lypstic Mystic would reply to me but she didn't and soon left the forum.  I have wanted to bring this up wherever i have seen concepts which assert 'simultaneous incarnations' and which dismiss the concept of 'sequential incarnations' through time and space.

We are all begining to accept a deeper concept of "NOWness" and "TIMELESSness".  We are realising that time and space is ultimately not the most fundamental level of reality and that we originate in higher spiritual realms beyond time and space.  But if our souls are going to occupy time and space and if we are going to assert it's unreality for the purposes of proposing alternative theories to the law of karma [as cause and effect ] and re- incarnation [as sequential incarnations] we need to understand what TIME actually is.  Maybe we have different understandings about what time is and maybe that is why i can't get my mind around 'simultaneous incarnations' in the 3d material realm of time and space.

I know we have a personal spiritual identity which i like to affirm as the I AM Presence which resides in the spiritual planes.  I know our souls are [consciously or unconsciously] connected to that I AM.  I know that the I AM Presence is unconditioned by the laws of mortality through which our souls pass through many incarnations in the material planes.  The I AM Presence lives in the eternal NOW and "looks down" at the MOVEMENT of the manifest worlds.  There is no "time" at that lofty vibratory level of being, because there are no material MOVING manifest worlds.  There is no time without MOVEMENT through space.  I know that the Christ consciousness projected by the I AM Presence is near to us and wills to express through us always.  I know that most souls are not interested in seeking to understand this higher Will or to give expression to the Christ consciousness by surrendering to and integrating with it.  But just because that higher level of ourselves in unconditioned by the laws of the lower worlds doesn't mean our souls are too. Our souls have clearly been conditioned by the self created laws of karma and re- incarnation.  That is why we must uncreate these laws by integrating with the unconditioned inner God and by our souls ascending back to the I AM Presence in spiritual planes. That is our challenge and always has been through all  [incarnations in] time.

Right at this moment each of us has some level of karmic conditioning which has been causing us to re-incarnate in order to resolve it.  Most of us resolve that through relationship with other souls at the scene of our past mistakes.  Unfortunately we have continued to make karma with each new incarnation and we have added to the burden of non-resolution at deep levels of the psyche.[soul]   But i believe that the notion that we have anything left of the past besides our [powerfully psychologically molding] memories is fallacious.  I believe that the future is potential only although powerfully molded and projected by our CURRENT energy field [unless we change it ] AND, if we allow it, the future can be molded by the will of our 'divine director', the higher Self which already has our future steps in MIND.  ie...as yet unmanifest in the material planes at all.

So even though our higher Self is unconditioned by "past, present, future", as long as the soul is incarnate in a physical form it is so conditioned and it is limited to riding this planet through space [ which movement is measured by time periods] thus named "time" because the earth is annihilating space by MOVEMENT in relation to other celestial bodies.

So i think that in the material realms of time and space we should not be shy of using terms like "past, present and future."  They are perfectly valid terms in relation to the laws of karma and re-incarnation. That is, they are valid terms when used to describe the sequential order of cause and effect through time.  Each incarnation is an effect of a prior one and each past and current incarnation is the cause of a future one... unless that is, we learn our lessons, transmute our karma and ascend into the glorious light of the I AM Presence...  Ascended in the light and free of the rounds of karma and re- incarnation. That is ultimate freedom and the ultimate goal of our souls.  It could have happened long ago but it didn't. 

In order to learn our spiritual lessons we have continued to incarnate into a realm where the law of cause and effect operates.  We need this law because most people believe we act in a vaccum and that there are no personal consequences for personal actions.  A question i have asked before is... " If earth is a schoolroom, how can we learn our lessons without sequential experiences of cause and effect operating in a relatively stable environment [ time and space] though a process of trial and error?"  I still assert that the incarnational experiences we are having are indeed sequential because that is how we learn our lessons... through cause and effect.. If we continue to produce karmic causes without transmuting them we will continue to re- incarnate to experience the effects.  The only way we can break the cycle in the present is to transmute the karmic pseudo- self in the present incarnation by recieving the grace of higher consciousness.  We cannot go back and add or remove one farthing of our past experience, except to transmute it's present effects.  We cannot return to influence it in the least.  Our soul has moved on to a new body in the here and now. The sands of opportunity have fallen through the hourglass and the memory is sealed in the subconscious leaking through and influencing our current incarnation.  The past is all over barr the shouting in the present.     

I am aware that quantum physics has provided very good indications that time and space are no barrier to instant [zero  time] communications between any 2 or more points in space.  The communication is simultaneous therefore there is no space to annihilate. I suppose they extrapolate the same thing across the entire physical universe and that makes perfect sense to me.  Why not.  The speed of light is irrelevant in that scenario and why shouldn't it be.  I understand that.  Light years become irrelevant because the speed of light is no barrier to co- incidence at the quantum level.  That makes perfect sense. 

Many of us are awakening to the irrelevance of locality and time in the projection of consciousness through our intuition, prophetic powers, dreams etc. We could say we KNOW time and space are superceded by a deeper level of consciousness.  But all this does not invalidate sequential experiece gained through sequential incarnations.  Why should it?  It is one thing to have visions of the past by accessing the subconscious memory and the planetary Akashic records and it is quite another thing to claim that the experience is happening simultaneously in another physical body.  It is one thing for the higher Self to impress your mind with a waking vision or a 'sleeping' dream of some aspect of the present or future but it is another to suggest that it is physically happening somewhere else simultaneously [ at the same time.]  Personally i think that the terms "past, present and future" do a very adequate job of descibing the SEQUENTIAL nature of time and SEQUENTIAL re- incarnations over time. [ which from the perspective of the I AM Presence is all happening in the eternal NOW but which for the soul is experienced SEQUENTIALLY in time and space]

Let me try to explain why because i would sincerely like to hear from someone who can explain why the following is not valid. Those who assert simultaneous incarnations have not captured me.  I have a fairly strong resistance to it but i am open to something which explains it.  I know that my previous paragraph contains a distillation of concepts which prove to me that there are surely deeper levels of reality than our 3d environment.  I just don't see why it must THEREFORE follow that we experiece  many lives simultaneously.

These terms [past,present,future] relate directly to the phenomena of our embodied souls situated on a planet moving it's POSITION at speed through space.  That's all time is.  Time = distance divided by speed. "Time" is only the measurement of the MOVEMENT of planet earth which can only be measured in relation to the position of the sun and to the MOVEMENT of other celestial bodies.  We record these movements as measurements of "time".  " I'll see you at 6pm tomorrow Sowelu and then i'll see you on 25th December 2007 for a christmas lunch."  Then i will see you in the age of Capricorn.

"Tomorrow" is simply a descriptive term used to describe the MOVEMENT of one complete rotation of the earth on it's axis.  6 months from now at christmas, the earth will have MOVED to be exactly opposite the sun from it's present POSITION.  So the terms "past, present and future" are certainly valid in explaining movement and the subsequence of events in this octave of time and space because movement is sub-sequential. [except at the quantum level of consciousness of course but we are talking about a postulate which claims multiple simultaneous incarnations in multiple simultaneous time periods.]  Granted, technological means have been found to annihilate space by increasing speed.  This merely has the effect of annihilating the amount of time required to travel a certain distance.  But the earth still moves through space in a fairly reliable sequence.  The earth is not, has not been and will not be in all places "at the same time".  Neither is our soul.

How then can we be incarnate physically in many different time periods at once considering the above described definition of time?  I don't think we can.  Yes GOD CONSCIOUSNESS is OMNIPRESENT [ everywhere present ] but the earth is not omnipresent. Think about that in relation to the claim for simultaneous incarnations of a soul in different time periods.  Yes there are ways for consciousness to review the past and their are ways to project consciousness in non- local ways in the present. There are ways to penetrate the future too but it doesn't follow that the more physical scenarios of multiple incarnations are taking place simultaneously..... ie. AT THE SAME TIME.   Rather, all the incarnations which our souls experience sequentially are, for the I AM Presence, happening in the "eternal now" because that highest level of consciousness is unconditioned by time and space and is beyond it's cycles.   Big difference.

The earth changes it's position by moving.  The earth is now and has been for millions of years hurtling through space and revolving around the sun in an orderly fashion.  We measure  that movement in distance.... in revolutions around the sun and we call it YEARS ... year after SEQUENTIAL year.  The soul keeps "dipping in" to the earth plane to take a new incarnation and each time our soul does that the earth is in a new position in relation to other celestial bodies.  The calender [construct that it is] shows a new later date each time we return.  The earth has moved on and it cannot go back in time because it cannot go back to a prior position in space.  Every other prior physical body we have ever worn has turned to dust.   Each time our souls return we find we get a big wooden spoon full of porridge bearing down into our new toothless smiles and each time we find that the earth has changed position and time has passed [ simply because the earth has moved.]  In  light of all of that i would need an explanation of how we could be physically living simultaneously [ at the same time ] in DIFFERENT time periods. Both are mutually exclusive if we are talking about physical incarnations in the context of what time actually is.

All time passes through the neXus of the present.  In the present we can definately transmute past energy patterns locked in the subconscious and we can thereby transform the future.  If it is our 'time" we may even ascend out of the material planes for the last time.  It has happened many times before to people.  But why really bother with all that painful process of change?  Think i'll just let some other part of myself do it for me.  I'll create some more karmic drama for myself and leave the hard work of spiritual growth to a simultaneous incarnation in another time period.  Yep, reckon i'll put me feet up.

Hey hey khatru, awesome post man,

Kato3 asked me to check if you wrote this week and let you know she decided to take the last ten days of her fast in nature. I know she is really excited to hear what you have to share and will most likely reply to you as soon she returns.

I've not much time myself lately to share or write as I am working such long hours. Hopefully work will slow down soon (I've done the inner work to shift it, so it will follow in the outer soon enough), but just wanted to share a tidbit before I go to sleep. 

This world and this time definitely needs oracles and teachers that connect deeply and clearly with the divine, sans ego lens distortion. If ever there were one, we're looking right at it.  You're it brother; you flow it naturally and your energy and big heart is so refreshing.  The vision you shared above and what you and Kato3 have shared here has been truly illuminating and beautiful.  I'm grateful and it's the perfect send off to a much needed rejuvenating sleep.  Much Love to you,

DasMoose

It's very special to me that she chose to relay me a message. I hope she finds the vision she needs from her experience.

Thank you, DasMoose. I've told that story before, though not lately and never in a public setting. I let that whole post flow naturally out my response to Kato3's stories and I have to give her much of the credit for leading me back there. I decided to go ahead and send it, even though I feel kind of vulnerable, like I've left a piece of my heart out on the internet.

I am curious if anyone who reads that resonates with it at all. I've had a few of those kinds of experiences and they always leave me feeling like they're so much bigger than me and that they should have some resonant effect with their telling, at the least on a few of the people in my life who seem to be on somewhat parallel paths. Usually however, no one really even wants to hear about it, like it makes them uncomfortable or something. This is a little hard for me to fathom, because I tend to seek out and soak up other people's near life experiences like a sponge.
In the long run it seems more productive to skip the direct translation of the event and instead present it in the form of an artistic endeavor.

It's true that we're living in an accelerating group consciousness, and with the ease of communications we're swimming in visionary experiences. Whether they're near death, past life, psychedelic, channeled, lucid dreaming, intuitively scientific, wildly intuitive, speculative, insane ravings or the nightly news...as soon as they leave the realm of the subjective it's all just information. Throw it on the pile and see how it sifts out.
I don't think we should ever believe any of it, and anyone who's supplying this kind of information shouldn't expect anyone else to believe it. However, it's usually not in our best interests to simply disbelieve either. This is a very rare trait out there in the "real" world. It's this polarization that disempowers us by limiting our access to valuable information. Personally, I'd like to be able to recount whatever experiences, research or opinions I have without feeling responsible for somebody believing in something that turns out to be invalid...or which was just for me. OTOH, it's nice not to be considered crazy.

I know this is redundantly clear to many people here, but others haven't quite picked up on it, as is evidenced by some of the baby/bathwater discussions that go on.
This is my official disclaimer and I'm sticking to it. :>)

Over the past couple of days I've been thinking about the idea of some people remembering past lives while others don't.  The first and most obvious explanation is that the idea of past lives is bunk, a figment of people's overactive imaginations.  Yet there have been far too many regressions that resulted in the person being able to verify and validate the names, dates and places that they either remember in their minds or talked about in their regressions.  So that kind of proves that there's something going on here beyond just active imaginations.  So why then do some people remember stuff and have knowings and flashes of memories while others have nothing at all?

Well, either they're not "real" and aren't fully energetically powered the way others are, or, they just have a REALLY bad case of amnesia. 

Think about it:

- How many people claim that they can't even remember much of their early childhoods?
- How many people will say that they barely remember their dreams, or even worse....don't dream at all?
- How many people forget so many details of the things they've done and said and the people they've known as adults?

If people can't even remember their early childhoods and barely remember their dreams and can't even remember so much of the things that have happened to them as adults, if people are going through this life half asleep at the wheel in a dream state, forgetting "who they are" on a soul level as they go about their days placing importance and attention on ridiculous stuff that doesn't even matter in the big scheme of things, then how in the frickity frack would they remember the last go around?

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So that's what I've been thinking, anyway.  It's not directed at anybody in this thread, so for those who don't remember their past lives don't be all taking it personally and feel the need to defend yourself.  It's just food for thought ponderings of stuff I've observed of people in real life over the years, not from people here on NR.

Hey Hey, I am done another long day and night of work.  I wanted to respond to what you shared khatru, so here it goes.

Big laughs! She has that affect on people!! I remember meeting her; I was in a very dark place, in protection mode, and she was this pretty girl, with a beautiful open heart, softly holding a sweet energy, yet such a presence, and such a funny sense of humor, of both dark and light. I heard her telling a little story here, watched her doing a little magic there. Every day I witnessed her, like a little bee pollinating the group, totally natural like no guile or agenda. In watching her I realized that she is what the new age wants to be, she is the real deal. I told her so and she smiled at me, amused, and then she looked into me. I felt everything start to wobble, and she looked right into the abyss in me and pulled something out, as natural and casual as if she was brushing a piece of hair from my face. There was no judgment, she spoke to me softly and with total acceptance and love for a part of me that I could not own as self, explaining it to me with great detail so I could find it myself and see it through the soft lens she was weaving. She has helped me to pull so many of my veils off, always leaving me room to master it on my own, but guiding me too… I guess I kind of miss her, sorry for the tangent.

My point is that this work causes me to do things that make me vulnerable all the time now, but I would never go back. The shift into my heart and trusting the flow has affected every area of my life and all of my relationships. The more I trust that I am safe the more my life just flows, even in the midst of the darkness where I live and work.  I see that we should never hold back because who knows what seeds spirit will plant through us and how our higher self working with cosmic forces will nurture and grow these seeds in perfect timing. The level of collective awakening is Now, and it is orchestrated by an aspect of the one spirit… on a level that leaves me in awe daily. I've such gratitude each and every day.

Witnessing authenticity always stirs the heart, and even in the center of great contrast, every conscious act allows the greater plan to play out through us. I think it is awesome that you loaned us a piece of your heart and vision. That level of surrender and flow is very powerful and because it comes from purity, it is so much more powerful than proselytizing or pushing dogma.  Allowing that flow leaves a map and helps us to help each other access our total potential. We can't allow fear to dull us, or limit what we are willing to shine and share in the moment. The open heart is infectious and reverberates out exponentially.

I hear ya brother. I think all the ways we are inspired to share we have to flow. If you have artistry then totally share it and don’t fear how people will receive any form of communicating your heart and vision, weave your tapestry with total freedom and abandon of reason. Otherwise we let fear create our reality.  You are a visionary, an oracle too, and so it may trigger some at first, but then as they diffuse, it may also bring them through an alchemical process that leaves them changed long after the seed hits them. That is the mystery we get to sit in awe of. As long as our hearts are pure and we are in a place of no agenda allowing the greater flow to use our bodies and voices how can we fear? Where I work I used to be very closed to believing that anyone could relate to my heart, my vision or dreams. I am surrounded by a never ending stream of.. I can’t even really say masculinity, because it’s more animal-like than human.  The Brute archetype reigns… it’s very backwoods… rural maybe? laughs; but with a sharp edge of arrogance and entitlement as the wages are so high.  Hillbillies with money, it’s quite the mix. Anyway, K3 chastised me and said she knew that I was there to hold a higher frequency and that I had to stop letting my mind interfere with what it could never conceive. That I had to override the mind and limiting patterns and just be natural and authentic. I slowly shifted and she was right (always). I have met a few men who have really opened and healed, as well as giving me an occasional relief from the testosterone overload that is my job place. My whole outlook of work is changed and I no longer dread it.  Lately I am working on connecting more with the earth to see if I can be a channel for healing while I am there and use my time even more powerfully. The more I expand the more options there are.

Again I feel you deeply here and you expressed it masterfully; I love your voice.  There is such a fine balance… we should always be mindful of what we are empowering with our beliefs; especially those that are limiting us, or are very strong within us.  My main focus of late has been watching what I attract in life.  This shows me what my underlying beliefs are and allows me to leave as much room as possible to expand, grow, and to be blown away by the new.  This is one of the powerful things about being able to openly share our dreams, paranormal experiences, our theories, or visions as you have… because all these different views open up new ways within us to perceive.  It allows us to explore and break the paradigms placed to use our energy against us.  The more unity we garner in, the more powerful we are at ushering in the new thought forms that need to take root in order for humanity to be freed.  We are so busy infighting with each other, we may be limiting the next great discovery. It is my hope I can foster in my life a willingness to be proven “wrong” about everything that limits my experience and expression on earth. I hope to be shown and aligned to a more expansive way each and every day until we are totally free. 

We just have to be brave and let it all find its balance. It is nice to see you doing this, and to know that you know all of this… truly heartening. I loved your vision and really felt the layers of it brother. As you spoke about the rainbow birds spiraling down out of the night sky, it very much reminded me of an Alex Grey's painting where there is a sea of eyeballs, in an almost peacock-like feathered way… the different subjective perspectives of the whole.  Your voice is very clear and wise. I am bolstered and also inspired by what you share and I can feel the force that is weaved throughout, and it resonates… beyond my perception of words, but it's truly beautiful. I am sure others feel the same, even if they do not yet have a voice to join you.  I hope to have time to share some of my own past life experiences and also some of how your vision triggered knowing in me. As is it is now, I am working long hours day and night, but having access to posts like yours makes the time a little easier and reminds me of my heart so this is a good thing; a cherished gift. Thank you very much khatru.  Good night and sweet dreams. Much Love,  DasMooooose.