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Hi all, I've been thinking along these lines for while and have gone as far as scouting out general locations of a possible relocation should the sh** hit the fan. I live in an urban area that has the potential to get ugly real quick should something happen to instill mass panic. I enjoy travelling anyway and my idea of a good time is to get in my car with  a bit of cash and only a general destination with enough time to follow my nose and see what happens also with the thought in back of my mind of when I find that place (to relocate to), I'll know it. Well after doing this two or three times a year for about five years, mostly all to different areas, I've still yet to find it. Had some fun in the meantime though.
I've also looked at different countries, South America perhaps, hey big bang for the buck, nice beaches, or countries that are more progressive politically such as Iceland, or different places in Europe. Have considered possible earth changes, general safety as far as natural disasters, water supply, etc.
Every place I've considered has some kind of drawback to it. Yeah Belize may have great beaches and dollar exchange but the government is probably run by the CIA and their military don't play, a nice dome cabin in the Ozarks sounds ideal but what about the neo nazi survivalists on the next hill?

It all comes down to, Do I want to give up everything I've established so far to go to this yet unfound safe place even if it does exist? I'm not just talking about possesions, but family, freinds, and perhaps most important, the general sphere of influence one has established. Maybe where we are is where we're supposed to be and can be most effective in bringing about change. When I look at it this way it seems selfish to want to run somewhere safe or more comfortable. Besides what if nothing happens and I find myself out in the woods, bored to death sitting on two cases of freeze dried tofu in my underground dome watching CNN on a battery powered sattelite TV, waiting for an event to happen to confirm that I made the right move.

As far as resistance goes I believe tactics are crucial, as any action you make also makes you a target. It may get to the point where even demonstrating may be enough for them to brand you as a terrororist and come and pick you up, hell they are already filming demonstrations and you can be sure everyone involved has a file. In light of that I've found this essay very interesting, it is entitled "The virtues of disorganized resistance". Please check it out, I think it may be important to those seeking effective means of change.

http://www.stephen-devoy.com/politics/v … stance.htm

Thanks, Stephen

BTW, is "The handbook for a new paradigm" the one written by George Green?

This fits with the topic about what the future holds, and the possible upcoming NWO lockdown,  and where we'll go and what we'll do, so I thought I'd mention it.

I had a trippy dream back at the beginning of 2003, where our country had been attacked by Iraq, and now everything was on martial law lockdown.  It was such a realistic dream, unlike most that I've ever had.   In the dream I was listening to the news broadcast, and I think it was Tom Brokaw or something, I don't know, because I don't watch t.v.  He was saying that Iraq had struck the U.S. in a "pre-emptive attack."

When I awoke from the dream I didn't even know what pre-emptive meant.  I had to ask and find out.  So, it added more realism to the dream, because I didn't even understand the words being used in this "dream."

The country was on lockdown, meaning, state borders were closed.  Traveling between states was out of the question.  Wherever you were...that's where you stayed.   If one wanted to travel, they had to do so on the down low and hope not to get caught.   I'm sure there were curfews, and I'm sure the highways were closed as well.

I was of course, traveling on foot, making my way slowly but surely around.   On one of my stops I was at a local gas station convenience store in some small town.   Local townspeople were gathered around the t.v. in the convenience store watching the updates.  24/7 coverage was on the tube.  Everybody was calm, just standing around watching the t.v. with calm interest.  The situation hadn't become alarming or dire yet.   The convenience store guy was still selling food and stuff, life still seemed "normal."   Just like on 9/11.   Despite what was happening in NYC and D.C., most of the rest of the country just went about their business, unconcerned.  (that was a little weird to me at the time, if you ask me....but I digress....)

The final scene of my dream I was now on a freight train I had hopped, since all roads had been shut down and everything was on lock down.   It was bright and beautiful sunny day, the sky was blue.   The land was wide open with mountains in the distance.   It looked like the West.  My feeling was I hadn't seen the West in a long time, and I was actually happy to see it again.   Even if it was under these circumstances - clinging onto the side of a freight train boxcar, illegally sneaking a ride across state borders.  I was standing in the area between cars, where the cars are hooked.

To the left of the train about 100 feet from the train tracks they had snipers set up alongside the tracks to take care of people who were doing as I was doing.   There were two of them, guys, dressed in black.  One of them was crouched down, firing his rifle as the train rolled by at me and the one or two other people I was with.  (not sure who those other people were....never saw them, I just felt their presense...weird.).   The other guy stood behind him with either one or both of his hands on his hips, squinting in the sun, watching with an almost curiosity.  He had a gun too.  He seemed like he was probably sure that the other guy would hit us so he didn't bother.

I edged my way around the corner of the boxcar so that I was hanging off the side out of their view.  I could hear and feel the bullets whizzing past my head and shoulders as I made my way around the corner, but none hit me.   Part of me knew they couldn't hit me for some reason. 

Do you know what my mindset was?  It wasn't fearful, or panicked.  There was no regret.  I was actually feeling happy and unconcerned, like this was all a game, and I just didn't care. 

Then I woke up, and that was that.

I still don't know what to make of this dream.  It was increcibly realistic, and felt as real as it could feel for a dream.  I mean, I woke up feeling like I had just been there, experiencing that.   Took me a few minutes to get readjusted to the fact that I was really just in my bed in my room.   But even hours later...days later....I was still going over every little detail of the dream.   It wasn't easy to shake off!

I do wonder if it's disinformation of sorts, to make me convinced that this is the future we face.  I'm still not sure yet.    I can't just say it's my overactive imaginination, because I don't normally have such vivid, detailed, realistic dreams.  On those rare occasions I do, it means something's going on, and it's not my normal state.   There were elements of fictitious dream mixed in with the realism, which I didn't mention here, but that was at the beginning of the dream.   By the middle / end of the dream, it was in full force, and 100% realistic.   Oh, and as far as whether I'd be the type who'd be inclined to hop trains and be on the lam, scuttling about on the down low, all dodgy-like.......Yup!   That would be me.   That's such my personality.   Very adventurous and daring, throwing caution to the wind if I were to realize I'm in a lose-lose situation.   If I'm going down, then I'm going down with a fight, and I'm going to enjoy myself while doing it!

Anyway, has anybody else here ever dreamed something similar?

I don't feel Europe is going to be as "dangerous" as the US. Don't get me wrong, people here are totally enslaved, but what I mean is that TPTB may have other plans for this part of the world. The situation in the US may be chaotic while here it'll be more "controlled". In the case of peak oil / ecological collapse (weither real or or not), I can totally see some kind of green fascism being quietly installed here. Most Europeans would welcome it.

On the other hand I wouldn't go anywhere near Israel. Recently I met a good-hearted guy who heard a voice telling him he should leave Israel. He packed all his stuff and left almost without money. He greatly inspired me for the way he trusted his inner guidance... I feel this is something many of us will have to do, sooner or later. Trusting and listening to my higher self is all that count for me, and I prefer to spend time communicating with "it" rather than learning survivalist skills.

I believe (physical) escape is rarely the answer. In fact it's what TPTB probably want. I don't see what I'd do in a far-away island. I personnaly didn't come in that planet to do this.

As for the NWO, I also feel this is yet more "wishful thinking" from the STS elites. Of course they will do anything to hold into their delusions.

Dear Zonabi
kind regards
David Icke has stated that America has been set up as a big bad Satan so everyone is looking the wrong way...........according to him the real power is in the secret society network in Europe.
I think that he is right and furthermore the EU is being billed as the continent that will arise more powerful than the US which is on its way out.
I certainly believe it although it is common knowledge to anyone that the Satanic Illuminati bloodlines hold no alliegience to anyone or any nation.
yours thankfully
John

I prefer "resistance is fertile"

Anyway, catching on the other posts, I really like this quote from the Hanbook for the New Paradigm. I also think that it's all about creativity. In this context, I understand creativity as transcendance. The Matrix cannot control transcendance. I understand "resisting" as "only opposing", although for me it has a broader meaning.

In the past decade there has been lots of new ways to "resist". Before it was all about marching and signing petitions. Now it seems that new ideas are appearing all the time (if you get involved and discuss as opposed to just reading newspapers), many of which would have been "unthinkable" just a few years ago, and I can feel deep inside that it's just the beginning, especially as more people become aware of the role of consciousness and of how powerful we really are, individually and even more in groups.

There is so many countless ways to resist, but we must always stay ahead and go further, because whenever a tactic works, it takes less and less time until it becomes useless. This is one of my interpretations of the "closing of the Matrix" (I think Stuart Wilde is the one who talks about it). Yet I can't help thinking about Matrix Revolutions and how it only took one person (Neo) to reach the Source before all could be free.

-Soloflecks

Beautifully said, I must have missed this as I was writing my last post.

I think I am still dealing with some anger after having woken up and smelled the stank(even though it's been a while). I am only now learning to incorporate anything other than 3D reality into my everyday life. By that I mean I have been aware of other realities and have experienced them by 'accident', and also know that there is a part of me that is very familliar and comfortable there but I am now making an effort to pull it into my normal waking state of conciousness.-Getting over the fear, I guess.

At the same time I feel a responsibility to act but am frustrated because I'm not sure I possess the skills to act effectively on anything other than 3D level (and remember it). That being said, I know I can keep working on myself and will and that's a good thing and an ongoing infinite process, however ready or not, I am very interested in exploring these options, perhaps that is a whole 'nuther discussion.

Stephen

Rock on guys, glad to see my (first!) thread getting some mad replies.  I don't really consider myself fearful, and in fact I look forward to whatever happens with a sort of twisted glee.  I'm thinking that suffering is all illusion anyway (easy for me to say, not suffering now) so even if I'm shipped of to Guantanamo Bay and no one knows where I'm at, being tortured Room 101 style, it will all be very *interesting*.  And that's what I look forward to.  Martial law, alien invasion, second coming of Christ, comets, the Wave, even all on the same day; and its all a movie anyway...how can you not be excited?  It's the best video game you ever played.

So why the indecision on my part, being all antsy to head north, eh?  I think it comes from knowing I need to let go of my 3D mind and trust my intuition more, yet not knowing where one ends and the other begins.  This difficulty is compounded by my having an extremely active internal dialogue, related to my OCD.  Explaining things, then explaining the fact I just explained them, explaining explaining explaining, explaining & analyzing to the Nth degree...  I managed to identify that's what it was, OCD, and work to control that more, and now I see I HAD to have been born with that so my mind will analyze the various situations I'm to be presented with adequately for where I need to be.  But now, I'm trying to quiet the rational mind and listen to the heart and it is difficult.

Hence the dillema with my dreams.  One post mentioned the guy who heard a voice tell him to leave Israel.  I'm hearing voices (in dreams, anyway) telling me to leave.  Is this intuition, or not?  I still subscribe to the belifef that whatever I do, no matter how badly I screw up my situation, it will be correct and, in fact, "perfect."  (Perfect having, in this case, a somewhat different-than-usual meaning).  Right now I think I have the two (mind/intuition) reconciled:  I'm going to continue working and paying my bills down as I can, try to meditate and exercise more, watch the signs and act accordingly then.  If it comes to it, I already have a mental image in my mind of where i should go up north and what it will look like when I'm there, but no need getting too worked up about it before I need to be. 

And, above all, I need to proceed on what I know is my Work.  It's been just over a year now since my series of epiphanies led me to a one way path that has shown me what I need to do which will enable further mental/spiritual development for myself and greater understanding for all.  Yet I procrastinated this long and, until very very recently have continued to still do.  Now I can feel the urgency of my task increasing and this helps.  At this time last year I had no doubt, NONE, that my book was inspired by God (who or whatever God is) and could do not but succeed.  Then I allowed delusions that I needed to buy certain products or even watch more TV to be successful to take over my life, and am only now beginning to escape again.  I acknowledge a tremendous tendency to procrastinate in myself, but the degree of apathy I consciously experienced (while subconsciously learning to DO and to GROW) leads me to wonder even if such ideas as electro-magnetic mind control discussed by us types may have merit.  Or at least the hypnotic power of TV and the day-to-day humdrum of this insane illusion, which beget apathy.  Cue mental/spiritual apathy.  Some in this thread asked what resistance means to us.  It is a mental strength and creative force that can flow through us if we break free of the mind-traps scattered throughout our world (more so in the so-called first world).

I need to spend more time outside, near trees, animals, the earth.