Faith (Page 2 of 2)

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Well which one is it people?!?

exactly...

I "believe" it is both.  There are two sides to the truth coin, subjective and objective. They are literally heads and tails (if you think of chakras/densities).  You're both right, but as Adama pointed out, people are arguing over words.  And words are just names that we give things; a name is a word and a word is a name...

The objective truths are the divine "names" or archetypes of the Logos.  These are the names "uttered" by the Creator to it's Creation, so obviously the names we give things at our microcosmic level are less than complete due to lack of true understanding and the separation that appears so real to us.  We are only learning to become the infinite Unity that creates our finite selves.   The subjective truths are gained through the evolution of individual souls, from the "Mother" to the "Father".  The objective truth would be "seeded" in the reverse direction/order from the Father.  So, the closer our consciousness is to material nature (1D) the more we experience separative truths, and the closer we are to unity (7D) the more we experience objective truth.

The "something" that nexus pointed out as the comparison of truth in his geometric analogy is this objective higher truth.  The untrue shape, to use the analogy, is the separated or individual consciousness that has been seeded and is now growing as the Creation.  It resembles it's creator but carries individual distortions that make it its own 1 within the One.

calpamu's self-way showing is the way that a separative being begins to attract and move towards the higher objective truths.  "Knowledge of self" leads to the Kingdom (according to my homeboy JC). The separation or distortions must be experienced in order for the Creation to become the Creator once again.  There are levels of truth, as we here have no doubt all experienced the surpassing of in our individual (and collective) paths.  As we increase the scope of our awareness through knowledge and experience (which work hand in hand) we not only increase our potential free will but also rework and shift our paradigms to be more objective and all-encompassing, this is the movement towards higher truths, moving up the levels. 

Though there is the duality of material truth and spiritual truth, they ultimately combine to form the total truth in unity. We move from reality to actuality as we approach the truth of the Creator from which we came.  Of course, reality is perceived as actual by those who dwell in units of distortion.
 

This is an important point.  Faith concerns itself with inner truth and that inner truth is what starts to really shine at the octave midway point of 4D.  Because the densities above us are veiled they exist in mystery to us lower octave dwellers.  Intuition is based on faith, thus we can't approach faith with logic.  Because our intuitive faculty represents the spiritual half of the Creator, while the logical represents the material half, we must develop faith (in ourselves as the Creator) in order to "move up the ladder", so to speak. 

I see faith as trust, as a child would let go of his parents hands in the deep end of a swimming pool knowing that if they get into trouble said parent will intervene.  But in order to surpass that initial fear of drowning of floating away the child must develop faith, first in the law of floatation and secondly in its own ability to swim and relinquish its dependance on other people or material safety devices.  As the above IS the below, so too is the outer also the inner.  As we gain trust in the Creation and it's functioning we gain trust in our selves as the Creator.  We know that our higher self will help us out if we're in trouble, if we ask and have faith, but we also have faith in our self as a "version" of the Creator. 

My faith comes from my fractured understanding of the One, that I am It, and vice versa.  There can't be faith without some degree of spiritual development/realization because faith has no place in the paradigm of the "real world".  The more you develop spiritually the more you have to work with in terms of faith, and the more faith you have the more your spirituality increases.  They work off each other in a feedback loop.  Knowing that I can help create my reality and increase my awareness stems from my experience with tapping into my spiritual (or TRUE) self and receiving the results.  That knowing is what allows for faith in Self as the Creator.  Faith is literally taking a leap forward and knowing that you will land unscathed and intact, or letting go in the water to realize that it's not that hard to swim after all.  This leap forward and release from the security of doubt and fear is another way of explaining spiritual graduation.

Faith is an inner quality, not an outer, because the outer world of logic and locality doesn't require it.  Thus, faith in anything outside of oneself is pointless and also NOT the point.   

We may learn many truths before we develop faith, but we can only learn THE truth by having faith in our eventually gradual development towards it.  Trust your higher self, it knows what's "up".

[the above post was not the truth, only the relative subjective truth of the 3D dwelling author ]