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I was just blown away by her answers.  Whatever question she was asked, she essentially dodged it with a blank, scripted response that had nothing to do with what was being asked really.   She just sounds SO mindcontrolled, that's why I'm facinated with this story.

Some highlights as an example:

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"This is how the conversation begins; this is also how it continues, and how it ends. No question can do much to change its course.

Do you worry that this might be a rebound romance for either of you?

"I've never met anyone like Tom," Holmes replies, her beautiful green eyes focused on nothing in particular.

Do you ever wonder whether this is just a honeymoon phase?

"Tom and I will always be in our honeymoon phase."

Did you learn anything in your previous relationship (five years with actor Chris Klein, which came to an end when they called off their engagement this past winter) that has been a benefit to this one?

"Chris and I care about each other and we're still friends. Tom is the most incredible man in the world."  (???????????)

Do you feel that, with more relationship experience, you get better at resolving conflicts?

"Meeting Tom–I'm just exhilarated. He makes me laugh, we have fun, we understand each other, everything is so aligned. I feel so lucky and so–like I've been given such a gift, such a gift, you know?" She pauses. "And it's just really amazing." (??????????????????????????)

If Holmes were actually answering the questions posed–rather than simply reciting the same mantralike love letter–she'd be making a somewhat provocative point: Her relationship is not like other relationships, with their conflicts, compromises and complications; there will be no apology flowers, nights spent on the couch or couples therapy for these two (as a practicing Scientologist, Cruise strongly disapproves of psychiatry).

Is there anything you guys don't have in common?

"You know, we appreciate each other."  (??????????????????)

Has it been a challenge to make his kids feel comfortable?

"They're just exceptional people."  (?????????????????)

Isn't it an adjustment to move in with someone–and after only a month? (In late May, Holmes packed up her apartment in Hollywood's El Royale complex and moved into Cruise's Beverly Hills manse.)

"He's the man of my dreams." (????????????????????)
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I don't mean to come across as a celeb worshipper, if anybody reads this and thinks that, but I can't get over flagrant mind control going on here.

And that Rodriguez girl.....holy cow.   

Someone stage an intervention!   (laugh, eye roll)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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From the front page of the Sunday St. Petersburgs Times today--

Religion

Tom Cruise is so hot - that is, for Scientology

If you think the actor's behavior is a little, um, intense lately, members of his church got the first glimpse of it in a convention video to rally support.

By ROBERT FARLEY, Times Staff Writer
Published July 10, 2005

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Tom Cruise's end-zone dance on the Oprah show and his scolding of Matt Lauer may have startled viewers, but it surely came as no surprise to his fellow Scientologists.

They had seen this side of Tom Cruise before.

Last October, in a recorded speech simulcast live to Scientology audiences around the world, Cruise passionately exhorted Scientologists to promote church programs and the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.

To those not fully committed, he hotly said: Step it up or get out!

Don't ask permission to help others, he said. Just do it. As Scientologists, he said, you have a special "tech" that works.

He blasted psychiatry and the use of psychiatric drugs in the same biting tone the world saw on the Today show.

The video was shown at the annual convention of the International Association of Scientologists in Britain before Cruise was awarded a Medal of Valor by the church's worldwide leader, David Miscavige. It later was made part of an exhibit on Scientology in the church's Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, where a St. Petersburg Times reporter viewed it weeks ago.

Now that Cruise has emerged as Scientology's cheerleader, with his behavior sparking comment worldwide, church officials declined last week to release a copy to the Times or allow a reporter to re-view it.

Church leaders were quick, however, to praise Cruise for speaking out. And they clearly welcomed the media attention he has generated.

So what, if anything, does the Church of Scientology get from all this attention?

And does Cruise's behavior in October suggest his recent public displays were orchestrated to raise Scientology's profile?

No question, Scientology has gotten a public relations bonanza from the Cruise coverage, said J. Gordon Melton, adjunct professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and an expert on new religions.

"I think a major goal of the church right now is solidifying the image they are just another church," he said. "They are trying to slough off that cult image, of a religion that does weird things."

Media attention - even if Cruise's behavior comes off as peculiar - meets that goal.

"For Scientology, they have gotten some of the best publicity they could have," said Melton, who lectured Thursday at the University of South Florida. Coverage has been much more mild and matter-of-fact than the church would have received 10 years ago, he said.

But Melton doesn't believe the church orchestrated the events. It's more likely, he said, Cruise's people cooked it up as a way to promote his summer movie War of the Worlds.

"I think it got out of hand," Melton said. "They (Cruise's team) lost control of it along the way. But overall, it served their purposes . . . His movie was No. 1 this week."

That the church also got some publicity was a side benefit, Melton says

The church got 2.5-million different visitors to its Web site over the four weeks Cruise was making headlines, said Ben Shaw, spokesman for the church at its spiritual headquarters in Clearwater. That's 10 times as many hits as the site got during the same period last year. Sales of Scientology publications worldwide also increased, Shaw said, from 10,500 books a week to about 14,000.

Shaw's office has been inundated with media inquiries and requests for interviews.

Shaw praised Cruise for sparking discussion of psychiatry and the use of psychiatric drugs, both of which the church vehemently opposes.

"I think it's great, personally," Shaw said of Cruise's outspokenness. "I think it has put an important issue in the forefront (of the world's attention)."

But Shaw doesn't think it will translate to a spike in church membership. Gains in Scientology membership worldwide "come from word-of-mouth, not from media, necessarily," he said.

Melton agrees.

"Ten years down the road, I don't think we're going to find the blip where this means anything for the church," he said. "The only thing it has an effect on is the overall image. They (Scientologists) think how this affects their image in France and Germany and Italy and Spain and Russia, where the church is growing. They think in terms of how this plays in different countries.

"Religions have a saturation level," Melton said. "If you give a religion free rein, they can only get so many members. New members join and others drop out. In America, they (the Church of Scientology) may have reached that saturation rate."

But a celebrity can be a powerful ally.

That's especially true in America when celebrities embrace religions, said USF religious studies professor Dell deChant. One powerful example is the attention paid to Muhammad Ali when he converted to Islam in the prime of his boxing career.

Scientology has dedicated celebrity centers where movie stars, musicians and other artists can practice without being bothered by the public.

For a segment of society, deChant said, celebrity endorsements carry weight.

"In the United States, you have power as a celebrity. People listen to what you say," said deChant, who has toured Scientology facilities in Los Angeles, including its Celebrity Center.

What's interesting, Melton said, is that Cruise's outspoken attitude about Scientology is a recent phenomenon. Although a Scientologist for about 20 years, Cruise had been reluctant to talk publicly about it.

"Of all the celebrities Scientology has, only four or five are upfront and outspoken about it," Melton said, pointing to Isaac Hayes, Chick Corea, John Travolta and Kirstie Alley.

Cruise has clearly joined those ranks.

"He's suddenly come out of the woodwork," Melton said. "It may be for Cruise, it starts with that award."

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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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The article's right in the sense that I've gone to the Scientology website to find out more, so I'm one of the contributing statistics to their website traffic jump in the past month.    I had to find out....what the hell IS this stuff???  I tried flipping through "Dianetics" once at the bookstore, although very reluctantly, but I wound up tossing it back on the shelf.  Bad vibes from it.   Tries way too hard to command to the reader that THIS IS THE WAY.  THIS WORKS.  THIS IS THE WAY.   THIS WORKS.....ick.  No thanks.   It's exactly what their mindcontrol puppets end up spouting - "SCIENTOLOGY WORKS."   That's their catch phrase.  They all say the same thing.

What I found from the website is that there are a few things in Scientology that sound pretty reasonable - in fact it's the stuff they make sure to highlight on their main pages, so as not to scare people away initially.  Good tactic.    For example, they have all these booklet things you can order regarding all sorts of topics, like dealing with troublesome coworkers, building a successful marriage, learning to communicate better, living a drug free life, etc. ETC.   http://www.scientology.org/html/en_US/r … index.html   You know, useful, practical stuff.  I saw that one can EASILY start reading that part of Scientology and start thinking, "Hey, you know, this stuff isn't so bad...in fact, I could use a little boost in that area....I think I'll order that booklet, it sounds like it could help me......"  And one thing usually leads to another of course....

But like all weirdo religions or cults, it takes a turn out into left field, and that's where it gets weird. 

The core of the Scientology "religion" is founded on this:

"In Scientology doctrine, Xenu is a galactic ruler who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes, and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to cause people problems today. These events are known to Scientologists as "Incident II," and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire or the R6 implant."   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

Then you have the fact that so many of these upper level Scientology members get so crazy into it, to the point of coming across as psycho in their stubborn attempts to recruit people....or to keep current members in. SednaSphere related her story about it all earlier in thread, and it was scary to read. 

Ironically they end up becoming a topic for one of their booklets!     

Then there's all their stuff with bizarro names like "Auditing", and "The Purification Rundown"  (?!??!)

"The Purification Rundown heightened my senses greatly.  Colors became brighter, my hearing more acute, everything tasted better and I felt more focused.  Life became more vibrant, more alive...."  - Kelly Preston, actress  (from the Scientology website.)

Then you have statements like this from the Scientology website:

"The churches of Scientology are extending an invitation to you to receive an OCA Personality Test and evaluation free of any charge or obligation.  Your personality has everything to do with your income, your future, your personal relationships, and your life.

A test of this kind would normally cost you $500.00 and up. It is offered to you here free of charge as a public service.

If you are not happy with life, you can find out why."

"Normally cost you $500????   Free of charge "as a public service" ????  Holy crap.


Here's a really good "One Stop Shop" link to writings and other links which expose Scientology, its status as a cult, its use of mind control techniques, the fact that L. Ron Hubbard apparantly ripped off most of his stuff from other authors, the fact he has no credentials and it's all a pseudo-science.

http://www.philosoraptor.com/scientology.html

Anyway, found this quote by actor Russell Crowe regarding Scientology which I thought was interesting as well:

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"The 'Gladiator' star said when he first arrived in Hollywood he read books by the sect founder L. Ron Hubbard and watched videos on their bizarre beliefs. .

But the actor said the cult movement - which boasts Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Lisa Marie Presley as members - is for those who feel insecure and need guidance in their lives.

He told America's Interview magazine: "I read 'Dianetics' by L. Ron Hubbard, I got a couple of videos, and I took it all in. It just seems like a religion that's perfect for people who feel like they need grounding, who feel that the world has run off with them."
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That's probably a good way of putting it...not just for Scientology, but all religions in general I think.  They provide a security blanket when you feel lost and floundering.  Gives a person something to latch onto, a cozy blanket to be enveloped in.  Makes the world seem less harsh when you have your little group that you belong to.  This relates to the trend in Hollywood religions, which was mentioned in the article that Auendove posted.  Most notably, Kaballah. Hollyweird is a nutso place, and it's easy to feel lost.   Hence, the celebs who are latched onto their trendy alternative religions, probably as a lifeline.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Beliefs provide comfort, as well as belonging to any group, such as the one here in NR.  Acting like a big personality, being in the spotlight, being judgmental, thinking everyone else is ignorant or an idiot for no real reasons, a way for a person to think those around them are beneath them; these are all ways to keep the mind busy so that one doesn't have to look at their own insecurities and feelings of self-worth and their lack of it.  Celebrities' emotional issues, such as these, have a big part in their lives.

Celebrities are generally considered to not know who they are and are subsequently drawn to acting as a way to hide themselves by being in the center of so much attention, providing the illusion of infallibility by their aloof position, as well as the comfort of being someone else for a lot of their lives instead of having to be themselves.  To not follow the trends would lead to a more genuine personality and a focus and steadfastness, which they don't desire or can't handle.  Best to keep moving and shifting.  They never have to be themselves.  They never have to disagree with someone or worry about a "smaller" person, because they can go and live their surreal lives.  Of course, this happens on a similar scale for the general population, also, in that we can all go into our ivory towers or viewpoints and act like we are above the humdrum.  The more you put yourself into this situation, the more you fuss and fight, the more you try to eliminate dissention with your point of view, the more unstable you are.  This is usually done by isolating yourself, physically or mentally, from those around yourself, ala "celebrity".

In an interesting aside, you can notice how they have crafted their own personalities.  They act a certain way, speak a certain way, etc.  This happens by and large with the general population, also.  Hardly ever do you meet those who aren't acting, by their words or writing, in a manner that is clearly cultivated by their own sense of nothingness.  Either they act "popular" or they are acting "unpopular", which are the same thing around a central pivot, mainly a part of the larger whole, which, sadly in the case of the present, is a very packaged and commercial world.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Okay, time for our daily dose of fun, shallow fluff:   The Tom n Katie story gets more and more mysterious............!

Katie Holmes' subliminal cameo at the beginning of "Vanilla Sky".......a movie from almost 4 years ago:

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/gossip … 112293.php

Cue twilight zone music!  haha

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Haven,

I like what you said. There's a lot of honesty in that. Thanks,

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lyra wrote:

Okay, time for our daily dose of fun, shallow fluff:   The Tom n Katie story gets more and more mysterious............!

Katie Holmes' subliminal cameo at the beginning of "Vanilla Sky".......a movie from almost 4 years ago:

http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/gossip … 112293.php

Cue twilight zone music!  haha

Ok, so who's programming who here? Bizarre

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impatiens wrote:

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Ok, so who's programming who here? Bizarre

Strange indeed!   Then there was Katie's declaration several years back that she assumed she would marry Tom Cruise. 

You know, maybe this whole thing was just destined, and in the stars.  You never know!

On a funny note, if anybody's looking for something funny and amusing, check out the "Save Dakota Fanning!!" blog that can be found in the previous site I posted.  Here's a direct link, it's on the right side of the page:

http://savedakota.blogspot.com/2005/07/ … owing.html

This thing just cracked me up - I actually spit my food out at one point.  Seriously!  I just wasn't expecting the hilarious ridiculousness of it.  So if it made me laugh that much, I thought I'd pass it along.   Enjoy....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:
aaronfirebrand wrote:

Lisa Marie presley is apparently a scientologist! Two takes:
http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/p … g0310.html
http://www.scientology-kills.org/celebr … ley_lm.htm

aaronfirebrand.......thanks for the "Scientology Kills" link.......I've just been perusing through each celebrity they have listed and reading their testimonials to Scientology and man am I creeped out right now.  Each one of them sounds like they're spouting the same brainwashed script.   It's like something out of the new "Manchurian Candidate" remake where all the Desert Storm vets have the same script regarding Raymond Shaw.

The next time I was there in Hollywood passing by the "L. Ron Hubbard" building I had a whole new perspective on things!

Think for yourself on this lyra - anything that works to help people break free of the matrix ends up getting attacked by it.

Here's a fairly neutral take: http://bernie.cncfamily.com/ars.htm

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It's not a myth that people are restrained against their will.I had continued to try to leave and get past the much bigger, stronger male person. I was forced into a room and feared for my life. There
is something in humans which alerts them to life threatening dangers. The aura
and senses go into high alert. What if I had chosen to physically contend with
this person? The very real and un-mythical fact of the matter is, I might not be
here to present my "point of view." To use physical 3d constraints on persons indicates a great tendency towards STS tactics. "Come one, come all",
they have a tactic for every dimension, vibration, and level. If this weren't the
case, this essentially empty so-called religion wouldn't be as successful as it is.

I'm sure there are many brilliant and good people in the religion. But they've
been unable to resist the onsloughts of it's powerful control, or else haven't been
exposed to it's darker side.  And as the light and the
dark DO battle and contend for their "side", "all's fair in love and war."

You've got to be a tough, spiritual warrior to resist this type of mental and physical
assualt. Very few people have the personal power to resist, at least at all times in their lives. We all have times when easy solutions look good, times when we are
weak and our vision is clouded. But as soon as ones life is threatened, either in soul
or in body, one must defend oneself to the utmost of ones ability, and not get
waylaid and sidetracked into wasting ones precious enegies on arguing points of view, bandied back and forth like a ping pong ball. Because if you do, don't be sup-
rised if you end up in a situation and around people of a none too savory variety. Or dead.

To sum up, it's a lie that Scientology does not physically restrain people. It does,
and some Scientologists will stoop to any level to keep you within their sights. Hell,
they are probably still mucking about with me all the time. Just not to my face.

If it ever gets down to where you're in a room in an isolated place with one, or
anywhere out of sight, be prepared to fight for your life, and don't be suprised if
they attempt to take yours in that event. So it'd be true wisdom to avoid this type
of thing happening in the first place.

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Adam wrote:
lyra wrote:
aaronfirebrand wrote:

Lisa Marie presley is apparently a scientologist! Two takes:
http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/p … g0310.html
http://www.scientology-kills.org/celebr … ley_lm.htm

aaronfirebrand.......thanks for the "Scientology Kills" link.......I've just been perusing through each celebrity they have listed and reading their testimonials to Scientology and man am I creeped out right now.  Each one of them sounds like they're spouting the same brainwashed script.   It's like something out of the new "Manchurian Candidate" remake where all the Desert Storm vets have the same script regarding Raymond Shaw.

The next time I was there in Hollywood passing by the "L. Ron Hubbard" building I had a whole new perspective on things!

Think for yourself on this lyra - anything that works to help people break free of the matrix ends up getting attacked by it.

Here's a fairly neutral take: http://bernie.cncfamily.com/ars.htm

Think for myself, huh?  Yeah, cause we all know I have such a problem with that......I'm always parroting what everybody else tells me to think and what society tells me to believe.   roll

1.  If you look closer at what I was actually saying in my quote that you quoted, you will see that I'm spouting an opinion that could only have come from reading the material, analyzing it and making up my own mind.  It's a valid opinion and also a fact that Scientologists all say the same thing, to the point where they seem to be spouting a script.   I'd be curious to hear how I'm not "thinking for myself" when I notice this........??   ??   ?? 

2.  If you'd actually read through this entire thread before posting instead of just skimming the beginnning you would have seen that I actually paid a visit to the Scientology website several times, and talked about it here.  I don't know about you, but I would certainly call that trying to get a neutral, if not pro-bias opinion on Scientology.

It helps to read a thread in its entirety first before posting.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra - agreed - you came to a pretty logical conclusion - one I held myself before I did a bit of research into brainwashing.

Hubbard was in fact very critical of Allan Dulles MKUltra mind control experiments and blew the whistle on them.

He was also criticial of what he called the "slave masters" running the world.

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Adam ... you state Hubbard "blew the whistle" on Dulles MKUltra.  From this it is implied that he was the one who made MKUltra public.  When did he do this?  Was he indeed the first to do so?

He is not unique in his criticism of slave masters running the world.  Gary Allen's now classic "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" spoke out against these same slave masters; although Allen's book was published in the early 70's I believe.  Allen however was not a Scientologist and never read Hubbard, to my knowledge.  I had correspondance with Allen before his death in the 80's.

You also made reference to a website that shows a "fairly neutral take" however in looking over that website I found it to be not neutral at all but attempting to appear neutral.  For example, under "moderate critics," there is David Mayo who could hardly be considered moderate in his criticism as he instigated and succeeded at splintering from the church in the 1980's taking with him many supporters.  He founded his own form of Scientology.

What has fascinated me with the pro/anti Scientology is that the pro OR the attacks are on  various personalities and their behavior. Rarely if EVER have I seen the technology of Hubbard questioned.  For example, a particular axiom/maxim/datum or core belief is never examined. Personalities can always be attacked or supported, but this in itself does nothing to examine the technology/the philosophy.

What is rarely discussed is whether the "technology" of Scientology ITSELF is helpful or harmful to the free will of the individual involved.  And whether this "technology" overrides the free will.  The apparency, in my opinion, is that the free will of the person is NOT overridden and that the person of his OWN free will makes the decision to follow Scientology.  This, I feel, IS an apparency.

The brainwashing question which is mentioned by you Adam, is a VERY narrow track because at first the person's life improves, and often continues to do so even IF he stays with the technology for YEARS; however, the outcome of this improved life, again in my opinion, is an individual who has extremely powerful intent and can BEND the natural course of his destiny to what he NOW feels is his will.  A "brainwashed" subject doesn't have a clue he is brainwashed.

Again my opinion, but what you have is an individual who THINKS he is STO but has become a powerhouse master at STS.

The enormous question is ... in the attempt to improve ones life is it OK to follow this type of path and get out of drugs, for example, or stop being a con, or be a better mother etc etc ... so that one can THEN have the strength to leave a purely STS path in the hopes of pursuing/finding a path that helps one become STO?

I believe THIS is the question that is important ... can an STS path help a person to THEN evolve to an STO path.  Keeping in mind that here in 3rd density we are IN an STS world ... therefore doing whatever it takes to grow INTO an STO candidate is perhaps fine.  In other words, in the BIGGER picture, aren't we all HERE in an STS world, learning to become (by choice) STO candidates.

The "moral" question then becomes with something LIKE Scientology ... are those who get involved and remain so, on the only path for them that they can be on AT THAT MOMENT ... ie. they need a strong organized STS channel in order to perhaps evolve to STO.  And therefore the "anti" group is only serving themselves ultimately.  And on the other side of the coin, the "Pro" group are attempting to "force" all others into their fold.

And the question of course is what actually is/was the INTENT of the founder.  To trap or to free?
And if the intent was to ultimately free ... then in my opinion, one would find more long term members leaving in order to continue their own quest for freedom.

BUT, mashing over whether or not this group or any other is "BAD" (as in earlier threads about Laura's group as an example) does a disservice, in my opinion.  It IS what is IS and THAT is up to each individual to discern for himself without having buttons pushed that lock-step one into one side or the other.

Christine B. edited to corrrect typo

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1951 was when Hubbard went public with MKUltra.

Rarely if EVER have I seen the technology of Hubbard questioned.  For example, a particular axiom/maxim/datum or core belief is never examined. Personalities can always be attacked or supported, but this in itself does nothing to examine the technology/the philosophy.

Maybe that's because it does what it says it does?

You also made reference to a website that shows a "fairly neutral take" however in looking over that website I found it to be not neutral at all but attempting to appear neutral.  For example, under "moderate critics," there is David Mayo who could hardly be considered moderate in his criticism as he instigated and succeeded at splintering from the church in the 1980's taking with him many supporters.  He founded his own form of Scientology.

David Mayo was one of the most damaging people to Scientology ever. If anything calling him moderate in this instance suggests the website is biased against Scientology imo.

What is rarely discussed is whether the "technology" of Scientology ITSELF is helpful or harmful to the free will of the individual involved.  And whether this "technology" overrides the free will.  The apparency, in my opinion, is that the free will of the person is NOT overridden and that the person of his OWN free will makes the decision to follow Scientology.  This, I feel, IS an apparency.

If you have no explanation for what brainwashing is then why would you feel it was an apparency?

The brainwashing question which is mentioned by you Adam, is a VERY narrow track because at first the person's life improves, and often continues to do so even IF he stays with the technology for YEARS; however, the outcome of this improved life, again in my opinion, is an individual who has extremely powerful intent and can BEND the natural course of his destiny to what he NOW feels is his will.  A "brainwashed" subject doesn't have a clue he is brainwashed.

Again my opinion, but what you have is an individual who THINKS he is STO but has become a powerhouse master at STS.

You can raise similar ideas about brainwashing with this site say. It's possible to read about Scientology and find the theory makes sense without doing any of the processes if you are scared that Scientologists will use secret brainwashing techniques.

As far as I can see this site gets a lot of concepts from Scientology and changes them slightly like Organic Portals based on Suppressive Persons. I'd say there were a few of them around here!

As far as I can see there isn't much on this site that really helps anyone get free of the matrix either, though there are plenty of interesting things discussed.

I'd say remembering all your past lifetimes and being able to leave your body at will is a step in the right direction. People staying in Scientology is indicative that it does work. Anyone can go and get the data for themselves rather than relying on a load of 2nd hand information.

Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

I've researched scientology and find it pretty sneaky. It works very well on levels easy to see and grasp by the average 3D person. Doesn't take much intelligence, insight, or wisdom to understand its principles or see its technology producing the desired results. So yes, it does work in the sense that you get what you are told to expect. It seems that is enough for members to stay members. But stopping there and not questioning the metaphysical side-effects of a cookbook guide to material and psychological success leads to glib propagation of the "It just works!" meme.

From what I've seen of it, Scientology is technology, and as such it leverages freewill, intent, and effort. It's sort of like an escalator where the process of getting on brings you to the top. An escalator just works. Most of 3D society is like a crowd of obese people barely able to make it to the top of a flight of stairs... scientology offers the escalator pathway and being able to ride it up without losing breath can be pretty amazing. If relied upon as a substitute for personal effort, insight, and discovery, the tools of Scientology do nothing about the "obesity" of the soul -- in fact it might atrophy the soul but mask this with overwhelming psychological, social, and material success. So what seems like becoming free from the matrix might actually involve the opposite, only that the first is visible while the latter is kept below the member's threshold of awareness, a trojan horse basically. Just my observations, though.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.