211 (edited by lyra 2007-05-05 17:17:32)

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belljar wrote:

Sorry but yawn. Not everyone is an MPD. She's way too smart and independent minded for that. She's very into studying myths, art, metaphysics, the gnostic texts, etc. So if that's going to be our requirement for this than we all might want to put our name down on the witch list.

Just because she's into studying this and that and blah blah blah, and just because you're a huge fan, doesn't mean this isn't going on.  What, are people with alters not supposed to have their hobbies and personal interests?  Tori has alters.  That's what defines her.   Also, I never said she was "MPD."  I specifically said multiple **personas** for a reason.  There seems to be a difference.  One seems to involve a complete amnesiac break, a fragmented alter ego with its own name, age, personality, etc. and usually created through trauma.   Versus personas, which are just these weird shifts into other characters and personalities but while maintaining awareness of the core self, and still responding to the same name.   And actually for all we know Tori *is* full on MPD.  But for now I'm keeping it as "personas" because I don't know her.  All I know is that she has admitted to having various alters. 

I already knew when I wrote that that it was going to illicit a defensive response from Tori Fans.  Fans of anybody like to look at their object of worship through rose colored glasses, refusing to acknowledge anything that might taint that pedestal status.   Why though?   We were talking about this phenomenon recently here on this end, how fans of things like to be in denial about anything that they perceive as a threat to the pedestal...because they take it personally in some way.   All I can say is, there's a HUGE difference between neutrally noticing something, and then attacking.  And what we're doing here is neutrally noticing something.  You're feigning boredom with a "yawn" (which is a completely transparent defense mode) and even going as far as to say that this is a witch list.   !   You haven't mentioned "Witch List" for the 15 pages of other celebs talked about in this thread.  Britney.  Madonna.  Mariah.  Eminem.  The whole side conversation about Scientology.   Only when suddenly it became about a singer that you happen to enjoy, NOW it's a witch list.  Now it's a case of "Sorry, but not everybody is MPD."  (even though nobody said she was MPD....but nevermind that....)   Ah, got it!  roll   And you're right too that not everybody is MPD.  Or even multiple personas.  But some people clearly are.  And Tori is one of them.   

Anyway.   Multiple Personas is what defines Tori, and nobody's criticizing her for it.  If you take it that way, that's your deal.  But just like your claims of "witch list," I in turn feel like we can't vocalize our observations about people - not even neutrally! - because die hard fans get miffed and defensive and can't stop and go, Alright, well, you have your points, I can appreciate that.   

Two ways of looking at it.

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Good grief...Tori has never tried to hide the fact that she has a lot of "stuff" going on.  I think she's just very, very careful about how she talks about it.  I have said this many times, and if I haven't said it here enough times already, it bears repeating:  practically everyone in the entertainment industry is mind controlled to some extent.  But that's really a moot point, because the average non-celebrity human being is mind controlled on some level too!  I think Tori is certainly aware of mind control issues, whether she talks about it directly or not.

Anyway I really don't know if she has a handler or not.  Some of the people in her entourage are questionable IMO.  I'm thinking in particular of her bodyguards.  They are not necessarily professional handlers; actually their behavior is very unprofessional, but that doesn't rule it out.  The least I can say is I think they are very low-energy people and I don't know why she keeps them around (if she still has the same ones working for her, I don't know).  Tori is very gracious to her fans, but some of them are extremely unbalanced people.  She is unique as an artist because she tries to reach out and connect with those people and help them if she can.  But I think she relies heavily on other people around her to make sure she keeps a healthy distance from them too.  Bodyguards control access to celebrities, but they also control the star's access to the outside world.  I think in Tori's circle they serve as dimensional guardians as well.  They can't control the energy she opens up while she is performing, but they can influence the way other people respond to it, I have seen it. 

Paul McCartney's replacement gained access to The Beatles as a bodyguard/road manager.  In that capacity he was able to observe everyone else like an understudy getting ready to take on the lead role in a play.  Bodyguard roles can be used for a variety of methods of infiltration and control over an artist or group.

Personally I find the whole thing with Tori's alter egos to be really annoying at times.  The first time she created a set of characters for an album, it was interesting and added another layer of meaning into the themes she was dealing with.  And I really liked the character of Scarlet, I thought that was brilliant.  Scarlett O'Hara leaving tara/terra/terror.  But this time I really cringed when I found out she was doing the dress up thing again.  The multiple personas don't "define" who she is or what her music is about, but it is a big part of her public image.  I guess she is playing it up for a reason, maybe to wake others up to their own multiple identities.  In any case I see her use of characters as being similar to the way a writer creates characters for a novel or play.  They are not always based on herself, they are also based on things she observes in other people, or trends she sees happening in society.  She just doesn't get her own identity out of the way well enough to portray different characters in photographs, they all look like "Tori" to me no matter how she dresses up or what names she calls them.  She is much better at telling their stories through her music.

213 (edited by lyra 2007-05-07 06:35:45)

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Athenais wrote:

Personally I find the whole thing with Tori's alter egos to be really annoying at times.  The first time she created a set of characters for an album, it was interesting and added another layer of meaning into the themes she was dealing with.  And I really liked the character of Scarlet, I thought that was brilliant.  Scarlett O'Hara leaving tara/terra/terror.  But this time I really cringed when I found out she was doing the dress up thing again.  The multiple personas don't "define" who she is or what her music is about, but it is a big part of her public image.  I guess she is playing it up for a reason, maybe to wake others up to their own multiple identities.  In any case I see her use of characters as being similar to the way a writer creates characters for a novel or play.  They are not always based on herself, they are also based on things she observes in other people, or trends she sees happening in society.  She just doesn't get her own identity out of the way well enough to portray different characters in photographs, they all look like "Tori" to me no matter how she dresses up or what names she calls them.  She is much better at telling their stories through her music.

Recently in this thread: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 3&p=27 we were talking about the new trend for celebrities to openly discuss their "multiple personas" thing.  Posts 396 and 397 of that page in particular.   My take on it all, which is relevent to mention here was this:

lyra (from other thread) wrote:

IMO this is a damage control strategy.  For instance - recently there's been a surgence of performers openly acknowledging that they have multiple personalities and/or multiple personas who go by other names.  Including Britney.  Her "alter" is Mona, from what I read in an interview, although she probably has more than one.  Mariah Carey has "Mimi"; Janet Jackson has a slew she said, including one "super sexual" one named "Strawberry";  Beyonce has "Sasha," Eminem, which in itself is Marshall Mathers' stage persona, has the sub-alter "Slim Shady," and so on.   This open admittance of having what basically amounts to MPD is also in my opinion a clever strategy of some sorts.  TPTB seem to be trying to offset the damage done by all the researchers who've been exposing these activities going on within Hollyweird.  Get the performers to openly admit to it in a nonchalant way, frame it within the context of it all just being a "character" that they're playing, all in good fun, play it down, shrug it off, it's no big deal, nothing to see here folks, move it along....  It takes the power away from whatever those researchers might be trying to expose.

Forgot to mention Madonna, aka Esther in that list.  wink  (and while Esther may have a logical explanation as being her Kaballah other name, the same way Catholics take on a Saint's name at Confirmation, there's no doubt in my mind that she still has "stuff" happening to her - she looks tranced out and blank and "lalala" in nearly every pic I've seen of her in the last 5+ years.)  But yeah, that's another way of looking at this issue.  I know that when I was doing research into the Beyonce/Sasha thing, looking for info. on it online, I came across some hip hop messageboard where somebody was wondering "What's up with all the famous people and their alter egos?!"

So even the average fan seems to be noticing this trend as being......a little strange.   On the surface the performers all have their reasons for having these alter ego personas and for openly talking about it like it's no big deal, but it seems odd to me that this is suddenly being openly talked about and embraced.

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I'm probably looking a little too hard here....always loved turning over the big rocks!...Anyway with regard to Ms Amos, I did find this interesting passage from Wheeler and Springmeier's Book on mind control slaves;

The worship of Moloch was the worship of Saturn. There are perhaps various routes one can take to learn this. One route is a very close examination of the Scripture, especially the old Septuagint. Scriptures actually write of this fact in Amos 5:25-26 and Acts 7:41-43. Amos wrote, “Did ye bring unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, 0 House of Israel? Yea, ye have borne the tabernacle of your king (“siccuth malkecem”, or in the Septuagint it reads “skenen tou Moloch”!), and the shrine (kiyyun) of your images, the star of your God, which ye made to yourselves” AMS 5:25-26 The Christian Stephen quotes these passages of Amos and connects it with the worship of the golden calf (bull or Taurus). His words on this are recorded in Acts 7:4 1. He further connects it in the next verse with the worship of “the host of heaven”. In line with translations like the Septuagint, he states in verse 43 that Amos 5 refers to the cult “of Moloch and the star of the god Rephan”. Hebrew writing consists of only the consonants. The vowels can be added with what are termed vocalizations, which are dots.

Tauri?...Amos?....hosts?. I know nothing of Ms. Amos and I'm not trying to create a negative where there isn't one. Is her given name actually Tori Amos?. If it isn't there may be some correlation to the passage above.

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ShineOn wrote:

Tauri?...Amos?....hosts?. I know nothing of Ms. Amos and I'm not trying to create a negative where there isn't one. Is her given name actually Tori Amos?

Myra Ellen Amos.  http://imdb.com/name/nm0002169/bio

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216 (edited by Lakme 2007-05-08 16:48:25)

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lyra wrote:

Forgot to mention Madonna, aka Esther in that list.  wink  (and while Esther may have a logical explanation as being her Kaballah other name, the same way Catholics take on a Saint's name at Confirmation, there's no doubt in my mind that she still has "stuff" happening to her - she looks tranced out and blank and "lalala" in nearly every pic I've seen of her in the last 5+ years).

Madonna, aka Esther, showing off the Illuminati Pyramid on her back:


http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/Graphics/madonna.jpg

217 (edited by SamIAm 2007-05-08 22:09:39)

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I use to be a big fan of Tori Amos for awhile, but I don't get into her music
as much as I use to.  She plays both sides of the fence.

I'm not sure if she really knows who she is anymore at this point.
How the hell could you when your juggling so many different personalities just to sell a fucken record!

I think it's quite evident she's mind controlled to some degree.  I find her to be very materalistic at times.
She loves her designers, shoes, and wine as I've heard her talk about in numberous interviews.   She tries
to justify it by saying it's part of being a "woman"  to love these things which I find to be quite rediculous.   

A dress, lipstick, fashion doesn't make you a woman.  I hope they realize that. It's not what channeling
your feminine energy is at all about.   I can't stand the programming that woman give into.  From barbie dolls, to shaving body hair, to makeup, to tampons!  It annoys me to no end. 

Anyway I noticed with this new album she changed her name somewhat..she's filling in the o of Amos. 
I wonder what that means...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/702/toriamosrr4.jpg


P.S. - Tori looks like a plastic doll these days.  I think she's an alien.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2017/untitledov7.png

218 (edited by SamIAm 2007-05-08 18:15:41)

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Lakme wrote:
lyra wrote:

Forgot to mention Madonna, aka Esther in that list.  wink  (and while Esther may have a logical explanation as being her Kaballah other name, the same way Catholics take on a Saint's name at Confirmation, there's no doubt in my mind that she still has "stuff" happening to her - she looks tranced out and blank and "lalala" in nearly every pic I've seen of her in the last 5+ years).

Madonna, aka Esther, showing off the Illuminati Pyramid on her back:


http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and- … adonna.jpg

Oh god Madonna is a lizard queen.  Look at her..she looks like this alien... Tori Amos above kinda does also.  What the hell?
Maybe they have the same plastic surgeon?

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5387/aliened8.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/09/madonna_700x500.jpg

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Madonna's gotten completely weird, but no doubt I LOVE the song "Ray of Light."   The lyrics, the music....to me it's one of the best songs she's ever done.   Well, the best song her and her people have ever done.  wink   Normally I don't like dance techo-y songs with lyrics and singing, but the lyrics and the way they're sung are so kick ass that I can't help but sing along.  smile

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QFzeDExYPbw

(admittedly though I really dig a few madonna songs and have them on my computer - vogue, live to tell, open your heart, true blue, like a prayer.)

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SamIAm wrote:

Oh god Madonna is a lizard queen.

What I can say is 'who's that girl ?' lol

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221 (edited by proto 2007-05-09 18:01:49)

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There's something about Christina Aguilera that I cannot point my finger on. Obviously, I think she is a tad mind controlled considering she comes from the house of Mickey like Britney and Justin (who is now working with Madonna on her upcoming album believe it or not).

Her new album that came out last summer "Back to Basics" gives me hints that either she is mind controlled or maybe broke away from it, considering these two songs on her album  called "Enter the Circus" and "Welcome". The circus song is a bit weird and dark for someone who does pop as oppose to someone like Tori Amos, who fits more in the alternative genre. To me, I see a few symbolic words and lyrics that reference to classic mind controlled objects such as mirrors, circus, curtains and more. It's not even her singing this
song, unless it's it's digitally enhanced, but wow, what a creepy voice. The next song that blends in, which is song number 2, talks about "stepping up your soul" and "being left out in the cold". Personally, after doing research with things pertaining metaphysics, spirituality, conspiracy, my own people watching/sociology, I can't help but think of these two songs as her signature ties to the Illuminati and her mind control (her father was in the army too, which makes me think "damn!, nobody leaves unscaved with ties like that!"). 

Here are the songs I wanted to share with you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHD8WHi … mp;search=

I will admit, I think her voice is amazing and it's sad to think that she might fall under this mind control catagory. It is what it is. I suppose.

P.S. There's one song on her CD that is pretty good and very motivating and has good vibes. I love r/b and soul, especially stuff like Bill Withers, Aaron Neville, etc. She did a great job. Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdU9pC_mi0w

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proto wrote:

There's something about Christina Aguilera that I cannot point my finger on. Obviously, I think she is a tad mind controlled considering she comes from the house of Mickey like Britney and Justin

I will admit, I think her voice is amazing and it's sad to think that she might fall under this mind control catagory. It is what it is. I suppose.

The reason I tend to believe there's funny stuff going on with her is not only because of the "house of Mickey" thing and her shared kiss with Madonna of all people at the Grammies, or whatever music show it was, but the way she looks in photos.  I've seen many photos where her eyes are glassy, looking far away and dazed.   

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051214/051214_aguilera_vmed.widec.jpg


Relating to this, and pertaining to Christina, is the big possible indicator:  contradicting themselves in interviews.  They literally are like multiple people in the same body, saying one thing in one interview, then another for another interview, making personal claims about something then running around in the world going the exact opposite of what they say.  All the "pop tarts" do this.  Something is way off with them.  I've gone as far as to joke that these girls all have clones.  One of the clones is out doing this while the other is out doing that.  Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.  big_smile  I'm sure clones isn't true though....but it wouldn't surprise me either!  haha   So either they do waaaay too many drugs and can't keep up with their own selves wink or their minds are messed with.   Or both.

Also, her whole 1940's/50's look obsession.  Something just seems off about that.  In so many pictures she's posing the same exact way - platinum blonde Marilyn hair, looking over her shoulder with pursed lips, blowing red lipped kisses.   

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/secret_shots/images/20060804_christina_aguilera.jpg

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00164/christina_aguilera_164296m.jpg

http://search.tvnz.co.nz/photogallery/images/gallery/news/christina_worst.jpg


Or else it's the huge laughing open mouth grin of the old pin up girls.
http://tickettransaction.com/EventImages/00062-001/christina2.jpeg


Is this new signature style of hers

http://img.interia.pl/rozrywka/nimg/Christina_Aguilera_kontra_1145759.jpg

....really her own creation, or is someone packaging her?  ESPECIALLY when you think back on her previous "Dirrty" phase, where she was completely skanked out, posing mostly nude all over the place in provocative poses.  When I did a Google to get these images, the first batch that came up, from the "Dirrty" phase were so racy it looked as if I was looking at porn.  big_smile Seriously.   These girls go through their phases and it sounds all legit in interviews, like it really is their own creation, they're just experimenting, playing around, "discovering themselves," "peeling back layers" or whatever fancy terms people like to use.  But I do wonder, especially when you factor in all the other things.  For me I just assume she's not in control of her own self or life, no matter what she may claim in an interview.  Any MM Club alum who belongs to a major record label and who's being so sleekly packaged like this can't be.

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Geez, nothing like"discovering yourself" in front of millions of people! Do it in the privacy of your own home for goodness sakes!!   What I have been aware of around me is the "sexing up", of adolescent girls, because they look up to people like Madonna, Aguilera, Spears, all your pop princesses. They all go thru that porn stage, and then you have 12yr olds wanting to emulate that. Nothing like hyper-sexing our pubescent kids for a feeding frenzy. Im seeing 10yr olds wearing make-up to school! Where are their mothers!!??   I cant believe the sexual innuendos that are coming out of 12yr old boys mouths nowadays! Boys, when I was young, may have been "thinking" about those things, but definately not suggesting it verbally to girls on the school bus.   So yeah, I think most of these celebs are MC'd partly to sex up our kids today, so they dont think about anything else.

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lyra wrote:

They literally are like multiple people in the same body, saying one thing in one interview, then another for another interview, making personal claims about something then running around in the world going the exact opposite of what they say.  All the "pop tarts" do this.  Something is way off with them.  I've gone as far as to joke that these girls all have clones.  One of the clones is out doing this while the other is out doing that.  Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.  big_smile  I'm sure clones isn't true though....but it wouldn't surprise me either!

Oh my god! I said this on another message board about Lindsay Lohan. I swear to god she looks different in every picture I've seen of her. One time I was absolutely convinced that the girl in the picture they said was Lindsay was NOT her. I could have staked my life on it. Yes there are doubles and triples of these girls running around. Lookalikes.

On one message board there was even an argument among the posters as to whether it was Lindsay or not in an incriminating picture. And imagine being one these girls! They read the tabloids I'm sure of it and then think to themselves: "Oh they say I did this that or the other, but that wasn't me...or was it?"

They are totally confused. And that brings me back to something Brice Taylor said in her Thanks for the Memories book. She explained that when her mind was being split as a little girl she was told that she had a  twin sister named Susan and when she was triggered into being Susan she lost all memory of who she was as Brice. When she came out of it, she had a vague uneasy feeling that her "sister" Susan was in danger and that bad things had happened to her, but she didn't realize Susan was HER! I think this is exactly what happens to the pop-tarts and their clones!

Here's evidence of the different Lindays. I think the changes in hair color have something to do with it as well. These girls are always changing their hair color/identity to keep them confused. That, and the fact that all of these girls start to look the same keeps them confused about what's happening to whom.

Oh and that blowing kisses pose? Lindsay does that all the time. Doesn't it look like some kind of Disney heroine gesture? I can just see them as little girls strapped down and forced to watch Disney princesses do all their eyelash batting and demure gesturing in order to model them in a particular way.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2311/lindsay1ux7.th.png

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4601/lindsaylohanpicture4ij6.th.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6868/lindsaylohancelebrityphgz2.th.jpg

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Shoogie wrote:

Oh my god! I said this on another message board about Lindsay Lohan. I swear to god she looks different in every picture I've seen of her. One time I was absolutely convinced that the girl in the picture they said was Lindsay was NOT her. I could have staked my life on it. Yes there are doubles and triples of these girls running around. Lookalikes.

Oh yes...Lindsay Lohan.  She's #1 on my personal observation list for being the most inconsistent.  Drugs could be the big culprit, along with Stage Mom from Hell, (LL's mom seems worse than LL - riding on her daughter's coattails, wants her own talk show, says she's the "White Oprah," and with photographs leaked on the 'net that show LL.........and her mom.........in a hotel room with bottles of Jack Daniels and whatnot laying around, while her mother turns around and talks about her daughter's alcohol and drug problems in interviews claiming that it's Hollywood's fault, and she wants LL back home in NY because in Hollywood there's "temptation" all around and she's not there to help......but nevermind those pics that show her and Lindsay partying in a hotel room with the open bottles of alcohol. wink  I mean, her own "parenting" couldn't have ANYthing to do with what's going on there.  Come on.  wink  So either her mom has a serious case of denial, or possibly she's fractured as well and can't keep up with her own various selves that say one thing but clearly are doing another.....) 

Anyway, I was actually thinking of LL when I wrote the bit that you quoted. I don't necessarily believe in the doubles theory though...I'd be more liable to buy the split mind theory before the doubles thing.   Although who knows, the truth could be far weirder than we can imagine!   Ultimately none of it's important of course, but being that these girls are so pushed on the public then maybe some neutral analysis of what's happening here is in order.   

The general public on those celeb blog comment boards take great joy in making fun of these girls, tearing them down, calling them names, but little do they realize what may actually be going on behind the scenes.  If they even suspected, the way we do here....but they don't.

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