Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

excellent movie by negationnist David Cole (a Jew) at Auchwitz. Even the head of the archives admits that there were no gas chambers at Auchwitz and that the tourists are lied to.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
Real player version: http://vho.org/dl/ENG/cole.ra
Windows media version: http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

If someone haven't seen Cole's movie at Auchwitz, well... that person doesn't know a bit about Auchwitz! Only the lies given to tourists! (Even the head of archives and museum of the Holocaust admists this.) I would recommend to French-speaking people to watch Faurisson's course on youtube, he did a fantastic scientific job to show how the gas chambers are a myth. Mor than that, a myth that HEAVILY weights on the very soul of the German people.

Why would I try to lie to you?
I only want truth to prevail over myths.

Watch the movie! for goodness sake's!

47 (edited by druid 2007-04-22 11:40:26)

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As the French University Professor Robert Faurisson put it:

"The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide [or 'Holocaust' or 'Shoa'] of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which has permitted a gigantic political and financial swindle, the main beneficiaries of which are the state of Israel and international Zionism and the main victims of which are the German people, but not their leaders, and the Palestinian people in their entirety."

Appeal of June 18, 2003,

for a New Kind of Resistance
Against the Occupation of Palestine
____________________________________


The so-called "Holocaust" of the European Jews is an enormous bluff.

This bluff permitted the creation of the "state" of Israel on the territory of Palestine.

It has become the sword and shield of this "state".

It constitutes THE WEAPON NUMBER ONE OF ZIONISM as well as of Zionist propaganda all over the world.

The Palestinian people and those supporting them should not close their eyes about the so-called "Holocaust" but, to the contrary, should expose this lie and fight it.

There exists a means to this end: historical Revisionism, which was just recently denounced by U.S President G.W. Bush!

Due to its analytical method and to its findings, historical Revisionism has destroyed the huge edifice of the so-called "Holocaust" with its fake genocide, its fake execution gas chambers, its fake gas vans, and especially with the myth created around the Auschwitz camp, which is presented in a fraudulent way as an "extermination camp", although in fact it was altogether a transit, a labor an d a concentration camp.

Revisionism is THE NUCLEAR WEAPON OF THE POOR. It can contribute in an essential way to the liberation of Palestine.

On this 18th of June 2003, without prejudging any other kind of struggle, We appeal to the entire world to join the Resistance against Zionism with the peaceful method of historical Revisionism.

Here Faurisson shows how much the orthodox historians have been obliged to conceide to revisionnists (even orthodox historians now do not believe anymore in the gas chambers). Don,T listent pt David Irving, he's a lousy pseudo-revisionist who believes in the 6 million figure.

THE TWENTY VICTORIES OF REVISIONNISM

http://www.radioislam.org/faurisson/eng/victories.htm

excerpt:

The Germans of the Third Reich wanted to extirpate the Jews from Europe but not to exterminate them. They sought “a  definitive — or final — territorial solution of the Jewish question” and not a “final solution” in the sense of any physical suppression (to want a “final solution of unemployment” is not to desire the death of the unemployed). The Germans had concentration camps but not “extermination camps” (an expression forged by Allied propaganda). They used  disinfection gas chambers operating notably with an insecticide called Zyklon-B (the active ingredient of which was hydrogen cyanide) but never had any homicidal gas chambers or homicidal gas vans. They used crematory ovens to incinerate corpses and not to throw living beings into them. After the war, the photographs purportedly exposing “Nazi atrocities” showed us camp inmates who were either sick, dying or dead, but not killed. What with the Allies’ blockade and their “area” bombing of Germany, and the apocalypse experienced by the latter towards the end of a nearly six-year long conflict, famine and epidemics, notably of typhus, had ravaged the country and, in particular, the camps in the western regions, overwhelmed by the arrivals en masse of detainees evacuated from the camps in the East, and thus severely lacking in food, medicine and the Zyklon-B needed for protection against typhus.

In the butchery that is a war, people suffer. In a modern war,   the belligerent nations’ civilians at times suffer as much if not more than their soldiers. During the conflict that, from 1933 to 1945, pitted them against the Germans, the European Jews thus had occasion to suffer but infinitely less so than they dare to assert with such a nerve. Certainly the Germans treated them as a hostile or dangerous minority (there were reasons for that), and against these people the Third Reich authorities were led to take, due to the war, more and more coercive police or military security measures. In certain cases those measures amounted to placement in internment camps or indeed to deportation to concentration or forced labour camps. Sometimes Jews were even executed for sabotage, spying, terrorism and, especially, for guerrilla activities in favour of the Allies, mainly on the Russian front, but not for the simple reason that they were Jewish. Never did Hitler order or permit the killing of a person because of his or her race or religion. As for the figure of six million Jewish deaths, it is a pure invention that has never been substantiated despite the efforts in that regard by the Yad Vashem Institute of Jerusalem.

In the face of the formidable accusations thrown at a defeated Germany the revisionists have said to the accusers:

1)      Show us one single document that, in your view, proves that Hitler or any other National-Socialist ordered and planned the physical extermination of the Jews;

2)      Show us that weapon of mass destruction which, as alleged, was a gas chamber; show us a single one of them, at Auschwitz or elsewhere; and if, by chance, you claim that you cannot show us any because, according to you, the Germans destroyed the “murder weapon”, provide us at least with a technical drawing representing one of those slaughterhouses which, as you say, the Germans destroyed and explain to us how that weapon with such a fabulous killing performance had been able to work without bringing on the death of either those who ran it or their helpers;

3)      Explain to us how you have arrived at your figure of six million victims.

            However, in over sixty years, the Jewish or non-Jewish accusing historians have shown themselves to be incapable of offering a response to these requests. Thus they have been accusing without any evidence. That is what is called slander.

48 (edited by lyra 2007-04-22 11:41:53)

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druid wrote:

excellent movie by negationnist David Cole (a Jew) at Auchwitz. Even the head of the archives admits that there were no gas chambers at Auchwitz and that the tourists are lied to.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
Real player version: http://vho.org/dl/ENG/cole.ra
Windows media version: http://vho.org/dl/ENG/DavidColeatAuschwitz.wmv

If someone haven't seen Cole's movie at Auchwitz, well... that person doesn't know a bit about Auchwitz! Only the lies given to tourists! (Even the head of archives and museum of the Holocaust admists this.) I would recommend to French-speaking people to watch Faurisson's course on youtube, he did a fantastic scientific job to show how the gas chambers are a myth. Mor than that, a myth that HEAVILY weights on the very soul of the German people.

Why would I try to lie to you?
I only want truth to prevail over myths.

Watch the movie! for goodness sake's!

Well, I did raise a question/point to you druid in the previous page, but it seems to just have gotten buried and lost in the shuffle. oh well.  ! 

This is kind of a chaotic feeling thread, weird vibes.  I didn't read it at first when it was started, then when I did read it I was surprised that it remained as calm as it did.  It is after all one of those touchy subjects.  Sure enough the flare ups occurred, but which is basically turning into an impasse.  You have druid who just keeps posting links to stuff and maintaining his stance, lala who's offended, ovoada who keeps insulting her, and Adama who's actually thanking ovoada for it all.  Not sure what that's all about, but it wouldn't be the first time someone on NR piped up with a chipper thank you in the middle of some negative chaotic thread.  wink  Nobody's really listening to anybody in this thread.   

Message boards can be nutty.  Everybody's coming from their own place, in their own world.  That's really it in a nutshell.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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49 (edited by oavada 2007-04-22 12:32:48)

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i vote we just give this thread up...uh, im tired of it already..everyone's so sensitive around it because the jews have drilled it into them what a travesty it all was. But never a christian travesty...never stories about the genocide of christians....genocide itself is a new term invented to refer specifically to nazi germany. so, you cant win...theyre gonna spin it their way every time..and fools like lala will fall right in line with them..

even this other guy in here, believes that the swastika is some sort of negative occult symbol. it refers to the old norse god Thor..thats all. Theres nothing evil about it.

IF the jews and christians are fine with murdering and massacring millions of people, which theyve done, then its ok for Hitler to kill Jews. Hes completely warranted by massacring every Jew and Christian crusader on the planet id say..

so, i say we just give this up completely. theyre too afraid to even say anything about it. let them feel like good citizens, i guess.

50 (edited by oavada 2007-04-22 12:43:26)

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I just find it funny how the Christians and Jews, now that they killed their way to supreme control over everything, want peace and love now. Now that theyve got a lock on everything, they want everything peaceful now. Everyone ought to be in line now. Its time to now end our struggles right? and be at peace with everything now that theyve got control. I find that ironic. Where was the peace when they were massacring native americans? where was it then? But theyre shoving this tree-hugging liberal socialism now down everyones throats because they dont want any threat to their control and power. period. and millions of brainwashed fools like lala eat it up..peace and love under the zionists..welcome to lalaland.

and the next evil entity now are the muslims...theyre all terorists, theyre evil, theyre violent, etc...theyre gonna make them the next nazis...so we'll all be sitting here 50 years from now afraid to discuss the evil muslim terorrists..i give up. Theyre now killing Islam off...theyre gonna kill every single religion on this planet off until theyre the only ones left..period...

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

oavada wrote:

...everyone's so sensitive around it because the jews have drilled it into them what a travesty it all was. But never a christian travesty...never stories about the genocide of christians....genocide itself is a new term invented to refer specifically to nazi germany. so, you cant win...theyre gonna spin it their way every time...

I agree with this part of your post. But I think we shold continue this tread, if you want.



Let's put things in perspective... and correct some misunderstandings about WWII...


How many christians were killed in Soviet Gulgags?

66 millions!!!
that's...
- 11 times the false number (6 millions) of the Jewish 'holohoax'.
- 660 times the overall maximum of Jews killed under Nazi regime.

No museum of the Christian Holocaust, no Christian Land in the midEast... We should detroy this holocaust museum and kick Israelis out of Palestine and nullify the legal geopolitical existence of Israel.

what are we waiting for... christmas?

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I do not agree with any of Hitler's quote, but I can say about Nazis, neo-nazis and white supremacist groups that

Every Nazi and white supremacist group seems to be under the control of, or dominated by, Zionists.

Notice that the jews seem to arrange for these nazis to make trips and give speeches, and then the Jews come forward to cry about their abuse during the Holocaust. They seem to set these opportunities up in order to bring sympathy to  themselves and create anger towards Nazis.

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Laws that make denying or trivialising the Holocaust a criminal offence punishable by jail sentences will be introduced across the European Union, according to a proposal expecting to win backing from ministers Thursday.

...the Baltic countries and Poland are still holding out for an inclusion of “Stalinist crimes” alongside the Holocaust in the text – a move that is being resisted by the majority of other EU countries.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/122134be-ed14-1 … 10621.html
EU aims to criminalise Holocaust denial
By Tobias Buck in Brussels
Published: April 17 2007 19:56 | Last updated: April 17 2007

Re: Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth

Let me clear things up:

I hate nazis.
but we must know that Zionists USED them.

So hating nazis is correct, but it's like hating a paid hitman: HE is the one who pulled the trigger, yet he's just a middle man and he NOT the only one guilty for the murder. He's not the brain, he's the subserviant willing arm. Nazis were used as arch-ennemies of the Allied. A superpower always needs a useful villain... The block of the Allies (the West and the Soviets) was gigantic in his murder & destruction power cmopared to the mice of nazi Germany.

Allies Versus Nazis  =  Mike Tyson Versus a too ambitious Paris Hilton.

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I think the symbol should be viewed spinning, tilted or not.  From that point of view is  Oavada  calling the nazi symbol "right pointing" ?

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nexus wrote:

I think the symbol should be viewed spinning, tilted or not.  From that point of view is  Oavada  calling the nazi symbol "right pointing" ?

It spins counter-clockwise. If the fins point to the right, it means that it spins counter-clockwise. A counter-clockwise spin "unbinds" the heart center and one can become centered in the Truth, the Soul, called the Atman in Hindu metaphysics.

Through the unbinding of the heart center by rotating the sacred swastika counter-clockwise, one can pass through the various levels of being and reach the Absolute Self or Soul. If a swastika is left pointing, it is clockwise, and is a negative spin, towards binding.

Take a hammer or bat and pound it into something...as youre doing it feel the turn of your heart chakra- it turns clockwise. All violent actions or cravings rotate the chakra clockwise. The nazi swastika leads to spiritual liberation. It is the positive form of the swastika, not the so-called negative occult symbol.

57 (edited by nexus 2007-04-22 23:12:25)

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Just one other point... Disturbed power mad people always spin their own power lust in a 'service to others' kinda way. Their magnificent policies  are all in the name of God and  it's all for for you gentle citizen,... your security, your prosperity, your glorious future.  This should sound familiar to Americans.   Communists also used the same spin and similar means.  This ingrained psychological bent is what embodied  fallen angels share with each other. They've  pulled the same tricks over and over for ages.   Birds of a feather flock together.    See " Fallen Angels and the origins of Evil " by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.   The book is not simply an exercise in scapegoating.  And it's  not a christian fundamentalist view at all,  though it quotes  the  "Book of Enoch" a fair bit  [which was removed from the bible ~1700 yrs ago].  It reveals the ancient truth about the origin and timeless  modus operandi of  Absolute Evil  incarnate. [notice i did'nt say Relative Evil.... their  inner flame has long ago been self-extinguished].   Ever since their 'great rebellion'  against the great Spirit within themselves,  they have been sworn enemies of those who love and those learning to love.  Their contempt for us is complete.  They have constructed a False Hierarchy in the earth and the lower astral plane in direct opposition to the true Spiritual  Higherarchy for planet earth.   As they move among us they rarely directly appear with 'horns and red sox' [although their stooges are eveywhere ]   No,  in the physical plane  theyre the 'best friend' a little guy could need.   They wear business suits,  They stand on the left and right side of every issue everywhere,  they wear the elaborate cloth of the clergy, or they're  strutting  around on the world concert stages,   etc...  The main game has been to deny the Divine Spirit as our innermost self. [witness the rampage of the catholic church ]  ; thereby they strip and control the shorn lamb in a 1001 ways...    Once the individual is disempowered he/she is vulnerable to all the subplots.    Then , at times of great planetary spiritual  opportunity , as now, some of these fallen angels  put on a new mask and bring out the bells and whistles .  They misappropriate the symbols of truth and roll in crying   "We do the same".  "Over here,  something to see here folks'.  They plaigerise the true spiritual teachers and deliberately mix in a small [or large] % of nonsense to try to blind the sincere seeker of truth [ just like they do in the  political/economic/commercial/ intelligence world ].   Im not talking about sincere people making errors as we all find our way.   But,  once you get some grounding in reality you learn  how to read them.    You begin to see behind the smoke and mirror show which they present in every field of life.    The key to acceptance of the true nature of the antagonists in this Spiritual 'warfare' on earth is to understand the concept of  Absolute Evil as distinct from relative evil.   By  Absolute Evil i believe we are talking about  NO LIGHT WHATSOEVER  in themseves.  They have pursued a spiritual suicide pact and have sworn to take down as many as they can with them.   Their  Divine allotment has been spent in the pusuit of egoself and as you all know, elaborate physical and astral  systems have been cunningly devised to steal energy from everyone, especially those who still have connection to the source.  To boot they have also,  to various degrees, as lyra quotes Carlos Casteneda on her website... "given us their minds".    These fallen angels posses a cunning 2nd to none.    The' F As' have also succeeded,   in their many plots,  to empty out many originally spiritual  people , who's biggest mistake was to fall for these plots.  Edgar Cayce , that great 'spiritual intuitive' refers to  this age old war  as being an ongoing conflict between the "Sons of Belial "and the" Sons of [the] Law Of The One."  [ see Edgar Cayce on Atlantis]  The subject of Hitler got me started on this... maybe i shoulda began a new post on the subject.  Cheers.

58 (edited by nexus 2007-04-22 19:23:35)

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If you listen to Hitler's speeches, there is a crazed maniac raging at full tilt.  A man whose chakras are black holes... grinding out the most putrid energy.  There is always something "to like" about the public rhetoric of these people.  They almost always come in the 'name of God' to protect and save the little guy... sound familiar?   Also if it's true what you say about Hindu Metaphisics why is the Vedic symbol 'spinning' the opposite way to the nazi symbol?         [edit now includes the word  "protect".... which i s'pose makes it even more familiar.]

59 (edited by druid 2007-06-13 14:22:26)

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Did you know that the plaque at Auschwitz was changed, from 4 millions to 1.5 millions?

http://www.biblestudysite.com/Auschwitz%20plaque%204mil.jpg

http://www.biblestudysite.com/Auschwitz%20plaque%201.5mil.jpg
In 1989 Jews quietly removed it after newly acquired Soviet documents revealed their "estimates" to be grotesquely exaggerated.

In 1990 they installed a new plaque (bottom image) with the following inscription: "For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity, where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women and children, mainly Jews from various countries of Europe. Auschwitz-Birkenau 1940-1945."

Between 1948 and 1990, nearly 3 million "persecuted victims" were revised out of the Jews' still wildly-exaggerated death toll, yet somehow the "Sacred Six Million" is still repeated endlessly in the controlled media.


This proves that mainstream historians are revisionists. So they must go in jail like other revisionnists like Faurisson, Zundel and Irving

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Excellent find Druid,
          With 38 Jewish Holocaust Museums in 18 countries worldwide, the formenting of  their sufferring and the accompanying quilt imposed trumps any criticism of Israel and it's policies. The successes of this scam are daunting.

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand