46 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2007-02-14 18:52:00)

  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: the truth behind Montalk

It's not true that karma comes back to you only if you believe it. Sheer nonsense.

That certainly wasn't what I meant, if you were in fact referring to my previous statement.  Once you 'forgive all' and 'allow all' all-the-time, you no longer create karma that can come back to you.  Sure if you keep creating karma (actions) that can come back, they will.  But once you see the never ending wheel of karma for what it is you can choose to not take the actions that create the backlash.

But that still isn't to say that $#!T won't happen to you.  It is to say that not all the $#!T is karmic.  And if you view it all as such you just perpetuate the wheel.  Sure there may be stuff left over from other lives that you are learning the inverse action to.  So you learn it and move on.  I've seen where I've learned inverse actions and situations still perpetuated.  At that point I know there's something else at work.  I'm not going to keep judging myself because of the actions of entities that have done everything in their power to hold me back my whole life.  I'm going to see the situation for what it is and do what I can with what I got.  They get my perpetual forgiveness because I understand where they are coming from.  The anger is gone so there is no energy or karmic attachment left.  It takes 2 to karmic tango.

So I do think/feel that 'some' of the hard things in life can just be some other entity that is trying to bring you down and has nothing to do with some previous action on your part.  I didn't 'just' come to that conclusion either.  It has taken years of honesty and observation to get there.

All in all I think we're on the same page just viewing from different vantage points.  I certainly don't think I can go out and commit gross acts against another without reciprocation.  I do think that I can stop the wheel of karma in this lifetime by my choices.

  • Registered: 2006-08-05

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Right, now I understand you z3n3rg.

****

waddaya think of this model?

spirit - reincarnation

soul - karma, karmic relationships

body - heredity

Reincarnation is the law of the spirit,
Karma is the law of the soul,
Heredity is the law of the body.

Yet... in the body, the skeletton reflects the shape of the ego, the nerve system reflects the astral organisation, the glandular and hormones systme reflects etheric (growth) body, etc.

Planetary action regulates and influences bodily functions, etc.

One who does not learn and comprehend their action cannot really become free. Knowledge of the spiritual laws leads to freedom. Otherwise, we are unconscious and dominated by karma, by laws we do not know.

OPs are clearly humans who have failed in their quest for freedom, they have regressed to the elemental stage of evolution. They are used by powers that exceeds their own understanding, used by karma. Elementals of a special kind bring about karmic boudaries of fate. One that is overwhelmed by karma, stuck in the law of karma, has little but no freedom. One that learns about the spiritual laws frees himself from the entanglement of karma brought by certain elemental forces. One who does not learn these laws and stays asleep, one who does not learn about his own karma, becomes dominated by fate, under the control of certain elementals that bring about karma.  If I take on myself to repair karmic imbalances, I make progress on the way to freedom. I free myself from elemental forces of fate, and become more and more master of my own destiny.  OPs are tools for elementals who bring about karmic retribution and seek to keep people entangled in this sleepy unconsciousness, where they are dominated by fear and fallen elementals.

People who become OPs will themselves regress to the elemental level in the future, whereas people who will have devellopped freedom and knowledge of the spiritual and live by these spiritual laws, free themselves from these laws. Love and forgiveness frees people from these laws. Lack of love or dependance to 'love', leads to entanglement in karmic elementary laws, and fate takes away our freedom. 

Do you want to be free6 Then you must take upon yourself to accept your background (Fate) and correct the karmic imbalances in your relationships. There is always imbalance in our lives, and never on the 'good' side of the balance!

When we meet Osiris in the afterlife world, the balance is always on the wrong side: bad karma oversteps the good deeds/sayings/thoughts we did have in our life. We have to work out this karma, then freedom can shine again in our life, and this freedom becomes a new faculty of spiritual understanding, a sense organ for spiritual realities and Truth.

48 Reply by Magical_Mongoose (edited by Magical_Mongoose 2007-02-14 19:46:17)

  • From: A place forgotten
  • Registered: 2006-05-15

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Well I see it all as lessons. Karma or not, we're all here to learn, and we impose lessons upon ourself to aid in our devlopment. An action you've committed that you may deem negative is truly important, because it shows that you're capable of recognizing your weaknesses, and helps you in realizing your true potential by becoming aware of the path NOT to be travelled.
That part about animalistic rage though druid is spot on. I've experienced this before as a state of super-lucidity, but as a highly negative, calculating, even demonic force that takes hold of you when you travel down the path of darkness.
As was shown to me in dream, the original plans for 2012 have been changed. I saw "meteors", which I think alluded to the probability of timelines, colliding with eachother, and upon impact, resulted in a fireworks-like explosion. Then out of nowhere, a "meteor" comes flying in that places us in a highly different timeline. Whether this shift is positive or negative on the whole, it's something that wasn't entirely planned and will surprise us. We'll know when it's upon us...hopefully we won't polarize though, but I saw one meteor being completely thrown off-course when one came flying in totally unexpectedly. What "meteor" (timeline) that was...we're living it right now, but it'll become more apparent to us leading up to 2012, during that year and beyond.
My sources tell me 2032 is the closing window of realization. But take it or leave it...something is happening wink

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

Magical_Mongoose's Website

  • Registered: 2006-06-28

Re: the truth behind Montalk

if 2012 were have to come around as the conspiracy had planned, then pure evil/consciousness would have heald the balance of power come that date, and the terms would have been reversed - the status quo would have been made dominant!

But it didn't, did it.  So the choice has been made.  That's what happened.  I have certainly thought so,  have certainly felt so.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

50 Reply by Transcix (edited by Transcix 2007-02-15 09:32:37)

  • From: Montreal
  • Registered: 2006-10-16

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Here is the secret:

Love pure evil... face it without fear, with a *balanced* amount of the power of the trinity - love-joy-compassion... you can all trascend pure evil now, through the phoenix archetype, by loving it to death... transmuting it into pure energy that you use for yourself for your threefold flame of the heart as love-joy-compassion... you allow it to be recycled in its smallest particle form - a particle of pure evil in the astral is actually a particle of light so utterly misguided by ILLUSION that it *thinks* it is pure evil, but really it just has to go to sleep on you and then it wakes up and realizes it is pure good... you can be transmuters too like me... some are, the message is already spreading.. the key is the passion of incredulity, the power of Nothing, your own force of will as an individual agent of consicousness, your will coupled with intent, and the knowledge of simultaneous oneness and difference that YOU ARE INDIVIDUAL IMMORTAL SPIRIT ENSOULED IN FLESH. The new disease of PURE GOOD now spreads fractally through Transcix, again for the first time.

Some of the TELEVISION on Gaea is now on your side, as messages from the TRUE Galactic Federation from the future, FULLY RESTORED TO ITS PURE GOOD SELF. Its agents work in this dimension making the TV shows, like new episodes of The Newsroom season III ("worked closely with award-winning animation house Cuppa Coffee to tackle the various dimensions in the episode"), Lovespring International, Andromeda, Star Trek The Next Generation,  BattleStar Galactica, Shaolin, Angel, StarGate, etc.

It is now time to fight for peace on Gaea, fight all the prejudice, hate, and fear in the world with understanding, compassion, and love... be tolerant, but severe.. patient and merciful, but righteous and just.. affirm your own immortal existence, as opposed to your own non-existence... I AM THAT I AM THAT I AM, XEPERA XEPER XEPERU. The Hare Krishna mantra is not good...

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

Transcix's Website

  • Registered: 2006-06-28

Re: the truth behind Montalk

It is now time to fight for peace on Gaea, fight all the prejudice, hate, and fear in the world with understanding, compassion, and love... be tolerant, but severe.. patient and merciful, but righteous and just.. affirm your own immortal existence, as opposed to your own non-existence...

Yes.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

52 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2007-02-15 15:59:10)

  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: the truth behind Montalk

druid wrote:

Right, now I understand you z3n3rg.

Yea, I see where what I said would have been taken as such. 

****

waddaya think of this model?

spirit - reincarnation

soul - karma, karmic relationships

body - heredity

Reincarnation is the law of the spirit,
Karma is the law of the soul,
Heredity is the law of the body.

Well Druid, if it works for you then I'm all for it.  There are differing ideas out there for soul and spirit so my answer would depend on your interpretation of those.  From just my intuitive guess of where you're coming from I would say that any differences in my own outlook would only be shades away and/or deal with the word semantics. 

At my current spiritual vector I have pushed all such structures to the back of my mind.  I'm in somewhat of a strange state at this point.  I don't feel that continued study on structures will advance me any further (for now).  Maybe later, but I feel something else needs to be worked on at the moment.  I'm basically at a point of free-flow present-moment real-time interaction.  Thoughts are scarce.  The main feeling is one of just open acceptance which produces that love/joy free spirit type of sensation.  I'm currently striving to maintain that mental/emotional level as often as possible in each moment.

  • Registered: 2005-12-20

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Transcix wrote:

It is now time to fight for peace on Gaea, fight all the prejudice, hate, and fear in the world with understanding, compassion, and love

Transcix, while I would contend that there needs to be an increase in understanding, compassion, and love for the sake of peace and spiritual evolution, but IMO fighting is not the way to go about it.  Some wise dude/ette once said "What you resist persists" and my homeboy JC said "Resist not evil". The subject alone is complicated enough and would require lengthy discussion, but hopefully I can help explain it a bit in shortform.

Our history on Earth thus far has been dominated by resistance and it's offspring fighting in all forms and has led us to this breaking point.  While it may have been a necessary process to get us to a point of accelerated spiritual evolution, once it is recognized as an impediment to progress the notion of loving acceptance can be assimilated into one's paradigm and acted upon.  This does not mean to let your "enemies" walk all over you or to not face what is confronting you, but instead to accept the now moment and see the love of the situation, neutralizing the effects of the perceived threat and allowing for the best decision possible in the face of adversity..  In actuality you have no enemies, only differently resonating distortions of the orignal One that you were, are, and will be. By resisting the need to resist (lol) one can systematically reduce the number of vectors of unnecessary friction experienced, thereby freeing up previously reserved/wasted energy for purposes of knowledge of self and focused service to others, if you so choose to do so.  Resistance is a necessary illusion that creates the friction needed for growth, but unnecessary resistance takes away from the balancing of that which is imbalanced.

To fight with compassion and understanding is a conceptual oxymoron and goes against the very essence of those concepts.  Understanding and compassion (aka love) will tend to do away with prejudice, hate and fear of their own accord.  Love is the unity of opposites and fear is caused by the misunderstanding brought forth through separation (the illusion).  Prejudice is ignorant resistance.  Hate is the willful expression of resistance based on fear. Fear is the underlying source of predudice and hate and is THE primary expression of the illusion of separation.  Fear gives us a reason to fight that which seems out of our hands or inevitable, effectively denying our own choice to incarnate in a particular role and the choices that stem from that orignal one, also contributing to resentment of the state of our creation itself. When you resist something external or internal you are essentially resisting yourself by seeing and hearing with only one eye or ear.  YOU created the universe and all of it's "perversions" and "niceties" and to  deny half of that would be taking away part of your power to effectively "see" and "hear" as a point of awareness within the manifested realms.

As a sovereign being (the One) it is your right to express yourself within the "confines" of the orignal free will distortion, to face your fears and accept that which IS.  If someone is attacking you physically, emotionally, psychically, it would be advisable to defend yourself in the best way possible, but actively fighting back for the sake of the "good fight" will tend to make the situation worse (violence or injury) before it gets better (resolution or victory).  Judo would be an example of a "fighting art" that is based on defense and using the enemy's force against them.  Throwing the enemy off through discernment and awareness seem to be the most effective means of "combatting" that which persists.  Sometimes it is absolutely "right" and necessary to fight in the name of self-preservation but transcending the need to fight is more efficient and longer lasting.

If we never resisted in the first place we would have never learned what we now know, but now that we know what we do we have the personal and collective responsibility to express  the love of our Creator/Creation (STO/evolution), or deny it (STS/involution).  The choice is up to you....just don't fight me on this one wink

Sorry for that side-topic but I felt something needed to be said.  Transcix, you are a smart dude and aware of many things, but your recent experiences of clarity may be outshining your own transcendant humility.  As the children say...."It's ALL good!"

  • Registered: 2006-11-12

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Transcix wrote:

a particle of pure evil in the astral is actually a particle of light so utterly misguided by ILLUSION that it *thinks* it is pure evil, but really it just has to go to sleep on you and then it wakes up and realizes it is pure good...

Sometimes it doesn't want to wake up. A wise teacher said "choose life". But try to force enlightenment? Doesn't work.

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.

55 Reply by free*world (edited by free*world 2007-02-16 08:53:59)

  • Registered: 2006-06-28

Re: the truth behind Montalk

"What you resist persists"

Well I just saw "The Secret" tonight for the first time.  And I realise that this saying/quote does not orignate with that movie, however like I said I saw this tonight and my first reaction was that of a dubious fellow aussie who shall not be named but who will be known by some by the same words...

"Pig's Ass!"

Because resistance is a necessary aid to discernment.  Ghandi knew how to 'fight'.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

56 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2007-02-16 18:49:58)

  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: the truth behind Montalk

And...after you have resisted and learned what is what, then what?  After you realize you can't change the negativity in others then what?  After you have discerned what is going on, then what?  After you 'know thyself' do you just continue the reactionary resistance against all negativity around you?  How long do you bang your head against a brick wall before you relax and let the wall be the wall?

In other words, the wall can be examined and the lessons can be learned without resistance.  In fact I've learned, at least personally, that the lessons are much easier to learn and advancement happens quicker with non-resistance.  I mean that in a more spiritual sense though.  I agree that throughout much of the process of discerning that which is in front of our face, there is a sort of resistance that allows for the compare/contrast tool to be used.  I would semanticize it differently though and say it's a 'striving for' a betterment of self and not so much a 'fighting against' that which we wish to transcend.

  • From: NOTHING
  • Registered: 2004-09-03

Re: the truth behind Montalk

Transcix wrote:

Love pure evil... face it without fear, with a *balanced* amount of the power of the trinity - love-joy-compassion... you can all trascend pure evil now, through the phoenix archetype, by loving it to death... transmuting it into pure energy that you use for yourself for your threefold flame of the heart as love-joy-compassion... you allow it to be recycled in its smallest particle form - a particle of pure evil in the astral is actually a particle of light so utterly misguided by ILLUSION that it *thinks* it is pure evil, but really it just has to go to sleep on you and then it wakes up and realizes it is pure good... you can be transmuters too like me... some are, the message is already spreading.. the key is the passion of incredulity, the power of Nothing, your own force of will as an individual agent of consicousness, your will coupled with intent, and the knowledge of simultaneous oneness and difference that YOU ARE INDIVIDUAL IMMORTAL SPIRIT ENSOULED IN FLESH. The new disease of PURE GOOD now spreads fractally through Transcix, again for the first time.

Hi Transcix thanks for posting I feel I know exactly what you are talking about especially the 'new disease of pure good' in fact I have come very close to posting something like this several times. :x

I am as is Void.