Real Dragons vs. Reptilian Humanoids (Page 4 of 6)

i was just thinking and re-reading ur redemption post the other day morningsun, and it got me thinking and going.  i dont care for that term either.  like said on another post, who's keeping the 'score' on all this?  besides supposedly ourselves. and the akashic records then.  if one is self-forgiving, which is encouraged then, apparently, at life review at cross-over, isnt one redeeming themselves then?  why wait?  it sounds stupid.  lets do it now and do that clearing and get on with it.  it seems stupid to die, and then do it.  and if 2012 cross-over ignores/bypasses death, then we better get busy.  maybe. or skip it altogether which i think is more like it.  im tired of this.  it looks like a frickin meme to me.  we should get rid of it.  ppl are only human, and living in a base world is rough.  this is a base planet.  its rigged that way.  its an illusion to think one must be redeemed i think.  from what?  saying some shit to somebody when u were mad?  big deal.  im tired of that kind of score-keeping.  lets be redeemed from score-keeping.  its absurd.  ( i love that robert anton wilson quote on links--that was great).  screw guilt, im so sick of that.  havent killed anybody, but have sure wanted to, way more than once.  so do i have to be redeemed from that?  having those thoughts?  ok--then, i redeem myself right now.

gotta say on here tho, now after LM just posted, isnt THIS WHAT THE WIH MATERIAL says?  didnt somebody just get into that in another thread today or yesterday, that there's a "college" somewhere thats trying to guide us?  helpers and theyre doing their damndest to guide and assist?  what was that?  too tired to find it right now, but the idea of what elementals are/turn into as the "maggots" bees that hum and swarm, that damn buzzing sound we have even talked about.  is this what non-evolved humans graduate to?  more elementals.  i need to find that and quote it from that other post on another thread.  just read it today.  that they then end up bugging humans that are evolving and living, that there will be TONS of them with the shift--that dont make it.

THIS IS WHAT WIH says.  no kidding.  it all makes perfect sense, and is TYING IN AGAIN.   

and from that recent post that refers to bluestarspeaks.  i used to read them all the time, in 96-97 and my prodigy earthlink connection would crash everytime.  now theyre all into alot of stuff.  i just read about dragons on there today.  a blurb from commander thera.  skip the sananda stuff -- that can lead to a mess. and have studied that angle.  check out though--    http://www.godumentary.com/thedaview4.htm

Q-People believe that Dragons are a myth. We know better but we would like you to speak on this subject to our readers please.

A-Dragons were part of the "first societal team" here on earth. Actually they are gentle creatures for the most part. All Dragons played an important role in the evolution of this planet. Their tremendous girth was necessary here because of the early world's wild foliage and deep crevasses. You must remember this was prior to the first ice age. The first ice age was of course instrumental in realigning the topography of this world, just as the following ice ages were. In those early times, the Dragons could easily step into extremely deep gorges yet ease themselves out of them because of their (Dragons) stature. Most times the overabundance of foliage effectively hid the animal from the view of their prey. So unless the wind turned the prey would be caught and devoured well before it knew of the proximity of the Dragon. Even though the majority of Dragons were fruit and nut eaters, some of their offspring became carnivorous. Many types of Dragons came into existence because of gene strains that slowly changed over the early centuries.

Dragons were fierce fighters and used their whip like tails as a deadly weapon. Their extremely long claws were able to tear apart some of the more hostile predators that did abound here during those times. Today's lizard kingdom is a result of the teleforming process that originated with the Dragon. Without the original Dragon family, there could be no lizard today. The lizards of today, the "miniature Dragons" are responsible for controlling much overbreeding of certain bug species that could easily generate viruses to the human. This is all a part of the original Divine Plan for Predator/Prey control. Dragons however were not "man eaters" the way so many books and movies depict. Much like the Bear, Dragon would beat a hasty retreat when it encountered the man scent. It is quite understandable why the early human race lived in such dread of the Dragon; these animals could easily wipe out an entire village simply by walking on it and sweeping it into oblivion by one long movement of its tail.             i wont quote the whole thing but there it is.

thats what WIH keeps warning about--ppl can turn into the next wave of elementals and it aint gonna be good.  or a new band of gods, i can see that now.  keep blood thirsting and breeding more blood-thirsters, havoc-makers.  its all adding up.  im tellin ya.  i hate to keep goin there, but its all making perfect sense.  the pods go elemental.  the illuminati bunch, headed for it all along, turn into THEOCRATS and rule again, all over again, as a new band of gods from yore.  were in the yore right now.  this is history and will be again.  thats it i think.  that ties right in.  the deal LM just told us on elementals.  and what they are and where were gonna get MORE.  man oh man.  trapped in realms, buzzing around, causing trouble.  very annoying and nuisancy--just like as in now.  annoying more than anything and adding to the 'hoards.'  so they dont evolve, just get added to a cesspool of miasma, teeming life forms that cause havoc.  that book changed my life.  made me think anyway, to change it.  not sure how, but its all there.  they stay 'in nature'  yet.....new gods and elementals form.  thyre trapped in sex, again, with the human vices. again.  all the human shit they refuse to shed.  keeps them swarming and attracted. its those all along then maybe, humans that are trspped and swarm at those points in the body.  that cloud of maggots.  stuck in porno now--still stuck at cross-over.  u know energy only switches forms.  and i read on there today, that a new installment is coming next--THE STAND.  my all time fav book from stephen king.  i loved that book--still do.  its the stand thats coming.

Last email check before bed - pardon the brevity --

And if anybody has posted this link before, apologies!

I was looking online tonight to try to find an excellent site I looked at years ago by a woman who was a wonderful artist specializing in dragon art. As sort of a sidenote to the site, she had collected some (extremely few but they were there) real life stories from people who had encountered real dragons. Of course, most of these stories were about the Nessie type of dinosaur (not sure if those are the same as real dragons, to be honest, as the water dragons I've seen clairvoyantly don't look like dinosaurs, but I dunno -- they could be cousins.).  Anyway, the woman I mentioned earlier in this thread who saw the green forest dragon in Banff knew the webmaster/artist and allowed her to post her story - but unfortunately I never saved the link, can't remember the woman's name,  and can't seem to find her story or that site anymore. I was hoping to show you her story about the beautiful green forest dragon.

HOWEVER....in searching for "real dragons" tonight I found (again, because I'd seen it years ago) a site where a woman has a nice splicing of many anomalous Nessie and dragon type carcasss photos that are DEFINITELY of either dinosaurs and/or dragons.  She has a lot of religious and political fever, though, and immediately when you go to the site as she's currently revised it, a video will load at the top of the page that is against the Iraq war.  So turn your volume down and ignore it if you want to to get to a big loaded page of interesting dragon stuff that she has spliced together - some of it potentially hoaxes, some of it probably real images and photos of dragon carcasses found in different parts of the world. Her take on it is that dragons are real and still around and that the media has brainwashed everybody. (She's right about that!)

Must run, here's the link:

http://www.livedragons.cjb.net/

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

PS The dragons have told me consistently in various meditations (as have just about everybody else from angels to spiritual guides to trees to nature devas) that the veil between dimensions is growing thinner, and this is manifesting as an increased sense of anxiety and stress for us here because even if we dont' think of ourselves as 'psychic" we do feel the "press" of these other realities merging and fusing with this one.  The way I understand it, it relates to the Biblical passage in Revelations (a messed up text, but synchronicities will manifest everywhere) about how the dead will rise in the "end times."  This is not literally true.  What it means is that, due to the dimensional layers being thinner, the reality that used to be the 3.5th dimension or the 4th dimension (whatever is near to here) will become more visible to us.  And human discarnates who are still stuck in THIS dimension will finally be more visible to people.  Like, to the masses, not just us psychic chicks!  If you've never seen a dead person before and they're suddenly all around you wandering around ( just the trapped discarnates who are still hanging out here) then you'd think the dead had risen from their graves. But they didn't - they just became visible to you.

My overall sense is that this is a weird thing, but ultimately a good thing, because up until now all of the dark entities have gotten away with all of their crap because the people who DO perceive all these things, separately, distinctly and clearly, and have solutions to offer about clearing the parasites out are ALWAYS burned at the stake, marginalized by society, or  just plain killed. So it doesnt' matter how many psychics or mystics or clairvoyantly open children try to tell their parents about the "monsters' that they see. We're all told to shut up or go back to sleep!

But....imagine a time when we can suddenly SEE the critters that exist in various energy forms and can discern what they are up to, both the positive beings and the negative ones.  Imagine the average person (and dear God, I am SO praying that this will happen one day!) being able to perceive the difference between an angel and a demon or a spiritual helper/guide and a negative ET.  It would no longer be theory held by a "select few" self-annointed seers. It would be general knowledge and general experience.

Then we will have a clear shot, for the first time perhaps ever, at truly defending ourselves, at truly working together to "take out the trash," because humanity willl, en masse, have greater wisdom about just WHO has been keeping them company all these years on the Earth....the pretenders, the deceivers, etc who have been our constant "neighbors" penetrating into this reality and manipulating the heck out of us.  We'll finally have the option to say, "I don't think so!"

The bit about the dead rising from their graves in Revelations is a misinterpretation of this event, but the seeds of truth are there.  Dimensional veils are thinning. We will know which entities are which, and who is good news, and who isn't.

Also, the dragons, the elves, and the tree devas tell me that there will be an added bonus of much more open communication between FRIENDLY realms of beings who have formerly found it very difficult to communicate.  In the past, only storytellers who wove these beings into their myths or mystic shaman types who went on vision quests could access information about these different species and attempt to create an alliance between friendly groups of beings. And the average person has had to simply take their word for it about what's what, which is never satisfactory. People need to feel, to sense, to discern these various energies and beings for themselves.

Creation is SO vast. To be afraid of the dimensional layers thinning to me doesn't make any sense because, as it's been explained to me, we will be more able than ever to fully discern which entities we invite into our presence and which ones we give a swift kick in the behind. And we'll have a lot of help from many different parts of creation, many allies to assist us.

So I see it as a good thing!  And I don't much agree with what Stuart Wilde talks about, but I do think he OVERALL does have it right about the dimensional layers thinning - but he frames this differently, as a "morph descending."

LM

Maybe this is the site?

http://www.sommerland.org/ondragons/exi … tings.html

And this other one has an unabridged version of the Banff encounter:

http://www.lardee.com/dragonslair/Drago … /index.htm

Morningsun76,

Yes, I was specifically thinking about your earlier post about the whole "redeemer" idea when I mentioned that in this thread. I don't like the idea, either!  I don't want anybody coming to claim us as theirs!  I don't want to be one of the "chosen people," because who's doing the choosing?

Wandering1,

I wish I knew more about how exactly this dimensional thinning stuff will play out.  But I think it has to do with the collapse of the Matrix.  The Matrix energies that have bound this planet up into a very limited range of energies for so long are an artificial construct, but the planet herself has her own evolutional path, and Earth is going from one particular density to a lighter one. Meanwhile, other dimensions are somehow also coming down here....although maybe it's more a matter of we're suddenly raising OUR frequencies to see what's "above" us so, to us, it looks like something is descending.  Complicated stuff!

One theory I have is that a significant number of the people currently suffering from depression, many of whom are on medication for it, are responding to the stress of these dimensional "birth times."  This is a tumultuous process, energetically, and it would create a certain amount of psychic disturbance even in perfectly "balanced" people.   But those who are more sensitive might actually be open to perceiving energies from these various dimensions pressing in, only they can't identify what they are feeling.  Psychic talents develop in people in very different ways, and many people are natural clairsentients/psychic empaths and have no clue that this is even a psychic gift.  So there they are FEELING stuff intensely, and all they know is it's weird, and "normal" people around them who aren't empaths are like, "What's your problem? Take some meds." 

So...I think there may already be a very significant percentage of people on this planet waking up to these other dimensional realities but who simply don't have a road map or a sense of all the talents that are living within their own psychic toolbox, so they try to sort this stuff out using outmoded ideas instead of metaphysical ones.

Just my theory, anyway!

Lilmomma,

Thanks so much for posting the sommerland site link!  That's the site I was looking for.  I might have misremembered the woman's story because on that site it talks about her seeing a green dragon in British Colombia, Canada, I believe, not Banff.  But it references Banff in the story. And I think I mixed that up with my shaman healer friend telling me how the indigenous tribes have told him that the real dragons have migrated up to Banff, the ones who used to live in other parts of North America, anyway. 

I met the woman who saw the dragon years ago through a group of people who regularly attended this one holistic group, and I think I was talking with her about mysticism and angels and she opened up about the dragon encounter.  But I am totally blanking on her name!  And then I think sometime after that her story appeared online at that site.  She seemed like a cool person, though, and it didn't surprise me at the time that something so special would be shown to her while she was out hiking. I don't think she considered herself psychic in any way, she was just a really cool person.

Must run, thanks again for the great contributions to this thread!

Lipstick Mystic aka Jennifer

from http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-ET-Mo … htm#_edn24

Draconians

The most controversial ‘whistleblower’/’contactee’ reports concern an off-world ‘master Reptilian race’ described as the Draco-Reptilians who are claimed to originate from the Alpha Draconis star system which is 215 light years distant and was formerly the pole star. [43] According to Alex Collier, the Draconians or Dracos have two main castes, the first of which is a warrior caste that are in the 7-8 foot range, who are apparently feared throughout the galaxy for their fighting abilities. [44] The second caste are a ‘royal line’ of Draco Reptilians that he describes as ‘Ciakars’ which, because of their alleged size, psychic ability and alleged wings, might be confused as the proverbial Dragon if Collier is correct:

The Draconians are a very large reptilian race, otherwise known as "the Dracs". There is royal line of the reptilian race called the Ciakar. They range from 14 to 22 feet tall and can weigh up to 1,800 pounds. They do have winged appendages and they are awesome beings. They're extremely clairvoyant and extremely clever, and they can also be extremely sinister. [45]

Collier claims that according to the Draconian world view, they were the first intelligent species in the galaxy and seeded many worlds with their biological off-spring. [46] The Draco Reptilians therefore see themselves as the natural rulers of Reptilian ‘controlled’ worlds such as Earth, and view humans as an inferior species. The Draconians are interested in harvesting the Earth’s resources while ensuring that these resources are efficiently exploited.

it says somewhere on that page, they were confused or mistaken as dragons, at first.

Thanks!  Well put.  I agree that it is difficult to see just how this will play out.  I do feel that change is upon us, but I don't yet know how big and how far and how fast it will go.

Smaug the dragon from the book The Hobbit made an impression on me when I was younger. 

More recently, I re-watched the Land of the Lost tv series on DVD, which I had watched as a kid growing up.  The Reptilian Humaniods were the "bad guys", but there was one of them who was "good".  He was a different color and may have been from the future.

I haven't had direct experience that I am aware of with either Dragons or Reptilian humanoids.  I did watch an interview between David Icke and Credo Mutwa (a Zulu shaman).  The interview is out on VHS/DVD and lasts around 5-6 hours.  Credo Mutwa is an artist as well as a shaman and at one point he holds up a detailed drawing of a Reptilian Humanoid and speaks of them as a group that was well known to the lineage of shamans that he came from.  I think that Credo Mutwa has a very authentic voice.

I thought "Wow!" - he sounds very credible.

Rather than "believing" or "not believing", I like to consider possibilities, and Credo Mutwa presented some interesting possibilities around a long-term, ongoing interaction between humans and reptilian humanoids.

Wandering1,

You mention Credo Mutwa - very cool man.  Years ago when I first began reading about him through David Icke's site I sent a small donation to him - he was making these herbal HIV cures for people in his region -- and right after that I had this amazing lucid dream in which he did some shamanic healing on my third eye. The man has a very real, powerful healing presence and his etheric body is full of integrity. The information he shares about the Zulu traditions and history also seem very "real" to me and they dovetail with what the Native American and Celtic Irish shamans I know also carry as part of their respective ancestral memories.

ALL of them acknowledge negative greys, negative reps, and positive reptilians, too. 

Even snake is seen as a powerful and complex figure in their traditions. I had always felt a bit of an aversion to snakes, although not in a phobic way, and one time after I had a conversation with my Irish shaman friend I had a lucid dream in which a colorful snake bit my hand and in the dream I immediately began vomiting up all this horrible goop and black stuff that had been inside of me. And the next morning when I woke up I knew I had received a powerful kind of healing, much to my surprise. I felt lighter and different and centered in a new way.

So I told my Irish friend about how snake visited me, and he stopped in his tracks and said, "Snake visited you? What happened?"  And I told him. And he said that snake is a very powerful healer who often comes around when a person is willing to release deeply embedded, core stuff that no longer serves them. And this was exactly what happened in this shamanic healing I received in dreamspace.

So.....could the reptilian stuff BE any more multi-layered and complex?  I don't think so!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer