16 (edited by Auendove 2004-09-01 07:32:15)

Re: Higher Forces STO

cameron,

One observation, one question (for now, initially)--

Observation--

Higher Forces wrote:

The room is at least 5 stories high. It would encompass 3 of the Empire State building in length.

This just boggles my mind!  I know "off world" technology supercedes anything we can yet conceive of, or I can conceive of, but this size notation blows my doors!  Holy frijole amigo!

Question--

In the 30 some odd years the Higher Forces have been transmitting through the channel nobody has asked EXACTLY which density they transmit from?  Am I misunderstanding something and that's why I feel the need to ask this question... well, really rather increduosly? 

Sorry cameron, I TRULY hope this question doesn't peeve you, it is not meant to, okay?... I'm just really curious.

Edit--Thanks for posting all of this and I'm certainly looking forward to what form your research takes... I'm very, very interested to read what you find.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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17 (edited by cameron 2004-09-02 22:10:56)

Re: Higher Forces STO

Auendove wrote:

Question--

In the 30 some odd years the Higher Forces have been transmitting through the channel nobody has asked EXACTLY which density they transmit from?  Am I misunderstanding something and that's why I feel the need to ask this question... well, really rather increduosly?

Good question.  Basically the term "density" was and is not really a term used by the Forces or the group that has been at the sessions.  For all intensive purposes, the Forces may use "dimension" as "density", but they also may not.  Most of our understanding (meaning, present company) of the semantics of "dimensions" and "densities" comes from the RA material (80s), and more recently the Cassiopaea Material (90s+).  The Forces began channeling in 1972 -- before these sources and after Cayce.

This may or may not be significant in answering why the Forces chose the "dimension" terminology and not something a bit more accurate (but is it really, for our minds?) like "density".  In the Forces' context, "dimension" is usually associated semantically with "conscious awareness" and also a realm of existence -- therefore it may or may not be equated with the C's/Ra's "density".

Here are a few references to the concept of "dimensions".

Forces: There are 7 dimensions in total. You occupy the 3rd and 4th dimension. (reference)

Q: Could you give us a description of your dimension, what you experience what is it like?

Forces: If we want too. We have given some descriptions in the past of our relations with you all. The descriptions of the trees and the sun and the colors that you do not see sights in the .. It is a particular energy field, everyone here is almost like pure light. We could take on any physical structure we desire. Speak any language in the universe we wish. Move any place at any time at any second. Manifest two places at once if we wish, but be back at home for dinner. We love spaghetti. Only jesting. Food in itself is not a staple for us, spaghetti only belongs to the earth. We in itself can move from galaxy to galaxy, universe to universe, planet to planet, from star system to star system at any moment that we wish. There is tremendous creativity here constantly going on, and creative ability of new worlds that we have to watch and guide. There is an unfathomable amount of knowledge and wisdom being brought from all over the world, all over the galaxies, all over the universe. There is a continuum of sounds, of sights, of smells, that keep on growing and pulsating, with time there is none. It is a dimension that would be so exciting that one moment, one hour, one second within this dimension would mean that you would never be the same. Does that give you some understanding of part of it.

Q: Yes. Is it possible that we can reach that dimension?

Forces: Awareness, a oneness, attunement, is when you reach that particular center or dimension through the stillness within you. As you enter through that door you taste a little bit of this dimension, which will transform you consciously in the earth. It is that one must tune and when you do tune into this dimension you will not be the same person afterward. (reference)

I do not know if you all understand this concept. But you are now in the third dimension. But understand this clearly that you are going in a cyclical pattern again. A circle pattern of on upward. And in the year 2011, you will open to what we call the flat door. The flat door or the door is just a box. It is a beginning to the fourth dimension. Your Earth is beginning to revolve into that area of space in its travel that has taken thousands and thousands of years through the first dimension. Then it went through the second dimension. And then it has gone through the third dimension. You are about ready to enter into the fourth dimension. But it is touching it. It will take another thousand to two thousand years before you enter totally into the fourth dimension as known. But the box is all, is the totalness of the fourth dimension. But we call this box the capsule and it gives you a essence of all that is in the fourth dimension at one moment. So, your voice is that of bringing and meshing the souls and preparing them for the fourth dimensional entrance, the entrance of a fourth kind. The fourth entrance or the entrance of the fourth factor. We call this the fourth x-factor. Your voice is the job of revealing this work and meshing the information of the beings around the Earth, through the Earth, in the Earth and, of course, the Council hears this of you. Your job is clear. To bring men and woman through this fourth dimension and get them ready for it. By the year 2011 it will be upon you. (reference)

The one thing that continues to ring true is that the Forces do talk about an 'ascension' or graduation to the 4th dimension -- but do not add on to that, "and this is where we reside" or "and this is below where we reside".  So again, it is mostly through inference and deduction that I think the Forces are channelling from 6th density (in Cassiopaean terms). 

Now why they haven't been more explicit in explaining which realm exactly they do reside, perhaps this answer is not easily gathered.  And perhaps it's meant to be that way.  Perhaps they knew something about how human's like to rationalize 'what's what'.  Perhaps they were avoiding something or foreseeing unwanted 3rd dimensional rationalization.  This is totally speculative and just some of my thoughts.  Who knows.

But, as it is, the direct question will be asked:

Using the term "density", defined as a realm of conscious existence, what "density" do you, the Forces, reside?  (TBA)

18 (edited by Auendove 2004-09-03 10:57:19)

Re: Higher Forces STO

cameron wrote:

Good question.  Basically the term "density" was and is not really a term used by the Forces or the group that has been at the sessions.

Yeah, rather late last night (LOL! possibly when you were thinking and writing about this... wouldn't surprise me!) I thought about how my experience was with the C's, and not the HF's. I thought about how I intuited the underlying energy of the C's, the HF, and as well Operation Terra's Heavenly Hosts, to be rather undeniably alike, and then once again recognized that the variations in terminology and tone of the messages are the product of the channels resonating the messages through their life experiences and energetic uniqueness. The channels are the variable, not the energy.

Higher Forces (quote #3) wrote:

We call this the fourth x-factor.

Is there an actual mathematical relationship inferred here?

Higher Forces wrote:

Q: Could you give us a description of your dimension, what you experience what is it like?

Forces: If we want too. We have given some descriptions in the past of our relations with you all. The descriptions of the trees and the sun and the colors that you do not see sights in the .. It is a particular energy field, everyone here is almost like pure light. We could take on any physical structure we desire. Speak any language in the universe we wish. Move any place at any time at any second. Manifest two places at once if we wish, but be back at home for dinner. We love spaghetti. Only jesting. Food in itself is not a staple for us, spaghetti only belongs to the earth. We in itself can move from galaxy to galaxy, universe to universe, planet to planet, from star system to star system at any moment that we wish. There is tremendous creativity here constantly going on, and creative ability of new worlds that we have to watch and guide. There is an unfathomable amount of knowledge and wisdom being brought from all over the world, all over the galaxies, all over the universe. There is a continuum of sounds, of sights, of smells, that keep on growing and pulsating, with time there is none. It is a dimension that would be so exciting that one moment, one hour, one second within this dimension would mean that you would never be the same. Does that give you some understanding of part of it.

Sure sounds a lot like the 6th density beings I've "met" before. wink   Spaghetti... HA!  This made me giggle, but so did the C's.

Higher Forces wrote:

Q: Yes. Is it possible that we can reach that dimension?

Forces: Awareness, a oneness, attunement, is when you reach that particular center or dimension through the stillness within you. As you enter through that door you taste a little bit of this dimension, which will transform you consciously in the earth. It is that one must tune and when you do tune into this dimension you will not be the same person afterward. (reference)

There's a lot of synchronicity for me within these two sentences between the two sources, many more words than are just these two sentences.

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And then I began reading through the session noted in your third and last quote... I think I was still half-asleep because I literally stumbled onto this!--

Higher Forces wrote:

(within quote #3 reference)

J: Thank you. You said earlier in the session about centering an energy of blue when we’re faced with these alien influences. Can you explain what we would need to do or is that sufficient?
Forces: Centering in the pineal gland a blue light, a prayerful attitude repels such attacks and declares, declares yourself of who…

[End of Side A]

D:… figures. Are they the ones you told me was the code, the Aborigine code?

Holy She-ite!!!  My jaw dropped and my eyes got as big as saucers when I read this. This HF session is from 1998, this being a little before the time I began finding the  unique blue markings on my underarms (as well as were four other people I knew or had recently met, though some in different places on their bodies). When abduction issues were discussed by the C's ('94/95?) one of the things they made abundantly clear was that consciousness raising is key in the cessation of abductions or any other aberrant force for that matter (one other example--organic viral agents), this I find to be elementally the same notion the Higher Forces related in "...alien influences... prayer attitude repels such attacks".  I would later find out in '02 at a C's session regarding the blue marks--

"It was an energy surge "burn."  EM in nature."  A "Realm curtain EM burst." 

"Blue color is physiological response the same way a blister is physical response to heat."

The response an outcome of an "Intrusion" [alien] into the energy field.

"[The blue mark] simply denotes the nature of the defense in symbolic terms."

Now, my next question is--Given the words from the HF quote "Centering in the pineal gland a blue light" put me to the end of my chair, do you have any remembrance or idea what words completed this sentence?  I would very much like to know more about the relationship between the pineal gland, the significance of the coloration blue (the coloration possibly a representation of the Christed energy?... and/or communication?), and the empowerment accomplished through prayer/consciousness raising? 

[a pre-posting editing note--I have since written this post well over five hours ago and have learned a great deal through comparing and contrasting the above and below information in my post, my personal experiences, intuition, and even further more research... I'm tellin' ya true, it was raining synchs at my pad this morning!]

Melatonin is a substance that is produced by the pineal gland, this is fairly common knowledge.  The C's weren't real big on telling people what to do with their lives (though I think they did all as much as they could given the serious nature of free will), but they did indeed endorse melatonin as a supplement.  I myself in the past 10 years have taken melatonin for about 7.5 years of that time. This next quote is poignant to what I write about above, some of the terms and phrases used by the C's and HF, but the rest of the article was fascinating to me as well, especially given my extended history with melatonin and some of the reality busting experiences I've had.  The whole article is recommended to fellow NRians as a must read if you're interested in the metaphysical aspects of the pineal gland.... although I would suggest that if another member (or maybe me) wants to discuss this material further it would be more appropriately so done on a new thread. 

http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Stray … lgland.htm

The pineal gland secretes melatonin during times of relaxation and visualization. As we are created by electromagnetic energy - and react to EM energy stimuli around us - so does the pineal gland.

When activated, the pineal gland becomes the line of communication with the higher planes . The crown chakra reaches down until its vortex touches the pineal gland. Prana, or pure energy, is received through this energy center in the head. With Practice the vibration level of the astral body is raised, allowing it to separate from the physical.

To activate the 'third eye' and perceive higher dimensions, the pineal gland and the pituitary body must vibrate in unison, which is achieved through meditation and/or relaxation. When a correct relationship is established between personality, operating through the pituitary body, and the soul, operating through the pineal gland, a magnetic field is created.

The negative and positive forces interact and become strong enough to create the 'light in the head.' With this 'light in the head' activated, astral projectors can withdraw themselves from the body, carrying the light with them.

Astral travel, and other occult abilities, are closely associated with the development of the 'light in the head'. After physical relaxation, concentration upon the pineal gland is achieved by staring at a point in the middle of the forehead. Without straining the muscles of the eye, this will activate the pineal gland and the 'third eye'.

Beginning with the withdrawal of the senses and the physical consciousness, the consciousness is centered in the region of the pineal gland. The perceptive faculty and the point of realization are centralized in the area between the middle of the forehead and the pineal gland. The trick is to visualize, very intently, the subtle body escaping through the trap door of the brain.

I think the bolded and italicized phrases speak for themselves in relation to the C's and HF quotes...the only thing that doesn't necessarily fit is my relating astral projectors to EM energy bursts, though you many not have known I was thinking that. Given a little more rope I would certainly be able to try to explain it though.

As well, I kinda get a pinched look on my face for the underlined words because I think multi-dimensional/density interactions CRUCIALLY entail more of a multi-level consciousness ALLOWANCE for subtle body in/out roads to be openable and traversable, rather than "manufacturing" this occurrence through visualization.  But that's a reflection of me being a C-gal, and hard-core about the manner in which reality busting experiences are manifested.

The above quote and personal observations were to the end of drawing comparative likenesses between the C's and the HF, supporting the idea that they transmit from one in the same density. But cameron, I don't know if you are working on your research in this manner, by comparing the HF with a source such as the C's, and then contrasting it with "outside" information like the strayreality.com article. BTW--the Internet search for "stray" was: pineal gland+metaphysics.

Do the parameters of your beginning research into "Higher Forces STO" include considering musings like I've posted above? Or are these types of observations distractive of your research?  There's some material in another one of the sessions you referenced that's BLOWIN' MY MIND when I compare it to the C's and think about it critically.

Safety first though, huh? Only one TNT detonation at a time, eh? big_smile Seriously gotta meditate on that one, and see what google magic will manifest later with searching. Will you want to read about my thoughts, or would it be distractive on this page?

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

Re: Higher Forces STO

Auendove wrote:

Will you want to read about my thoughts, or would it be distractive on this page?

Likely I'm not the only one interested in your thoughts.  Share and share alike!

Also, sorry for the late response, I've been busy.

Re: Higher Forces STO

Session 559 wrote:

It is interesting to be voted that you can speak as a Senator on the floor to represent thousands upon thousands of people.  The people's ideals are important to them and must be respected.  And the responsibility is enormous that everyday of your life reflects that responsibility.  There is that need to govern oneself through a voice, like that of John the Baptist crying in the wilderness.  We all need to make straight the way for the Lord.  So when the Senators do come together, they speak.  Some speak on other subjects, but they should receive the reflections of what people want done.  And what the people want done, it is up to the people to voice.  They do not voice it, it cannot be done.  Such is the way to the spiritual powers of true powers:  through that of service and improving and making things always better.  The days ahead are difficult days, but they do not have to be difficult days if you incorporate a positive attitude, a "can do" attitude, an attitude that blocks all negative thoughts, and only supports constructive ideas and ideals.  Than that would be the furnace and focus point of your mind, that you would be the servant of the most High, that you will bring in the Law of One, that you will bring in balance and harmony in all that you do, that if you fail you get up again, that if you thought a thought that diminishes you, you remove it.  Replace it with one much brighter.  You cannot afford to give in to the luxuries of self-indulgence, feeling sorry and right at the same time.  They are not constructive thoughts, they are not healthy thoughts, they are not your thoughts.  The thoughts do not belong to you.  Do not associate with them.  Abandon them as quick as they come, that you will be standing in the light and in the power and in the force of creation.

(Session 559, November 19, 1990)

This excerpt seemed like one worth sharing.  Also, for anyone interested, the HigherForces.info website got a facelift, and we've added some new content.

Auendove - I know you were asking about some more recent sessions.  There a 3 about to be published that cover some interesting topics.  Here's a quick blurb:

Session 667 wrote:

CN:  Speaking of drugs, this recent study about Vioxx -- the anti-inflammatory -- that forced them to pull Vioxx off the shelf, could you tell us anything about what that was doing to people or how it was affecting people; maybe even spiritually?
Forces:  Unfortunately, it went against the very grain of the immune system.  Even to the point of creating heart attacks within people adversely -- and death.  It is a system of drug that counterbalances that of the electrical system in the body.  Forcing it to go counter-clockwise when everything in the body is clockwise.  So it is an adverse drug that should have never been allowed to go as far as it did.
CN:  How can help progress the awareness or the knowledge of what some of these drugs are really doing to people -- especially drugs for psychological health, like anti-depressants?  I mean is there an activism or is there more research that should be pursued and is it reasonable to assume that some benefit could be gained by doing that?
Forces:  The very first step and principle and that which is only right is the general statement to depend upon drugs is a crutch.  And all who take drugs for mental well-being should turn from that and turn to practices of meditation and prayer.  Drugs can help to a certain time element.  But depending upon drugs takes away the very spirit of the individual.  Now is that part of the World Order plan?  We think it is.
CN:  Thank you.  Could you just tell me briefly, how does those drugs, especially the anti-depressants, or others, affect how the extraterrestrials interact with humanity -- either through abductions or just for energy transfer?  As we've learned in past sessions, direct emotional energy is sometimes fed from, fed off of the humans.
Forces:  It is a subject that not so many people understand.  There are those extraterrestrials that are moving through your world.  And many a times they are right in front of you.  But because we are trained not to look or see them to our right peripheral or left.  But we are taught only to look forward, that these extraterrestrials have power of moving through time and space.  The real factor is that we become to understand that this world as it is now and as it was thousands of years ago, were involved and in thrust by the life force of extraterrestrials.  It is the quality of being able to feel and understand their presence.  And by taking drugs, it makes their ability to take over the individual much easier.  It is a subject that needs to be broached.  That to see an extraterrestrial is the quality of understanding.  Because if you do not see one, it does not make them not exist.
CN:  Thank you.
IS:  When you say the peripheral vision, so are you saying that they are not in the third dimension?  They're not manifested wholly or fully?  Or are they manifested fully as a physical body but we just keep seeing them as we see ourselves, but if we look, really look, we will see the difference.  Is that it?  Which one is it?

Forces:  It is if we train ourselves to see right, than we can see their manifestation.  It is we're taught differently how to look at things so we will not see them.  We're not taught to look on the sides of our bodies.  We're taught to look straight onward at things.  This is why people demand the fact to see truth and to see the facts upfront.  But in reality, truly to see the facts is to see it at peripheral levels.

Re: Higher Forces STO

Hi cameron,

Thanks for the info, I'll check out the HF website "facelift" this weekend, and as well, I'm very much looking forward to reading any new sessions when they come available... sometimes I really miss rappin' with the C's. It is very impressive that the Higher Forces have been channelled for so long... it says something about how the "entity" has been able to stay balanced through whatever imbalances life has to offer at any given moment.

My friend and I were talking a few weeks ago about the push for people to take cholesterol meds, she offered up the idea that they must somehow lower or alter a persons frequency, I'll have to share the above answer to the Vioxx answer with her. What gets to me is that some of those people who needed those types of drugs for  arthritis/anti-inflammatory reasons are likely back in pain, it makes me sad for them... it's too bad they don't know about taking MSM with a digestive enzyme.

ET's in front, or either side? Well those are two things addressable... it's those sneaky critters that like to come up behind you knowing darn well one can only feel them because we don't have eyes in the back of our heads that are the real challenge.

The morning of my birthday I woke up, put my coffee water on to boil, sat down on the couch, and kinda spaced off for a few. All of sudden I saw my honey walk behind me and go into the kitchen, I jumped up remembering I had put water on to boil. I walked into the kitchen talking to my guy who, ahem, wasn't in there. He then walked in behind me and razzed me about who was I talking to... anybody? roll

I've seen stuff in my peripheral vision for quite a while now, but I have never seen any one of them look as solid as did the one that walked behind me the other morning. Chuckle... I wondered what the rest of the day would bring!

You know what I say about my pad... never a dull moment!

Huhn... have the HF ever said anything about smelling alter dimensional beings?

The other day we were driving down a busy city street, windows rolled up and AC on, and in an instant the cab of the truck filled up with the smell of moth balls. As instantly the smell went away. We were both coughing and gagging it was such a powerful odor of moth balls. I'm just shakin' my head about how and WHY this happens, it's okay when the smells are cookies or flower blossoms, but moth balls? GACK! It kinda creeped me out, didn't like it.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
------
If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol