91 (edited by Tom Paine 2006-11-27 18:57:17)

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zen baby, thanks for the lynx.  Gotta recharge my batteries before I can
give them proper attention.  More soon.
TP

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wow, zenden, I just started reading first link, and I can hear you yell bingo.  back to reading now. cool lol

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

93 (edited by zenden 2006-12-08 19:36:41)

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this is a message to the theocrats. from a deceased mystic named barry long.  its pretty good.

ASCENDED MASTERS
A revelation of ignorance.

You will probably have heard of Ascended Masters and long-dead entities that use living people channel their teachings. These psychic half-masters' and spirit-teachers are half-masters. A half-master is not the master, just as a half-truth is not the truth. A psychic half-master is neither master enough nor truth enough to be responsible for his own body here and now. He takes over some other body by psychic possession, maintaining that he is free of the body, which is true, but which is also a lie since he finds it necessary to possess one.

No one is as misguided, misleading or cunningly adept as the disembodied psychic half-master - ' the Ascended One', he of the 'White Brotherhood` and the like - no one, that is, except for the disembodied half-master of the Black Brotherhood, which the Ascended White Brother in his ignorance and half-truths (or half-lies) necessarily creates.

Psychic half-masters are invariably priest-like presences. Each in his own time or body did in fact live with and was directly instructed by a living spiritual master of his tribe or people.

A priest is a self-perpetuating, self-appointed quasi-spiritual lieutenant. He is not the master because he has not realised the truth of the master by living it. And the truth of the master is this: The master does not return. Only the priest posing as a spiritual master or spirit-teacher comes back. He has to come back - to reveal his ignorance. That is the divine justice or joke of it. His presence is his own rebuttal.

When you realise, by dying, that there is no death, you will know as much in your own way as these psychic priests. Since you will be in the psyche freed of the impediment of physical consciousness, you too will be able to look forward and back in time into the future and past. You will have an inconceivable advantage over the living. But perhaps, after reading this, you will be more real than those ancient priests; and you will not return to add your burden to human confusion.

The tragedy of the psychic priest, for himself and everyone, is that he doesn't know that he doesn't know. He firmly believes in himself and in what he's doing. Indeed, he does have a power of presence. This comes from having been next to the living master in his time or body, and not just a blind follower. This implies true worthiness that is earned, not given. Over and over he heard the truth from the master's lips. But instead of living it, he busied himself converting it into memorable knowledge, into intriguing priestly forms, systems of mystification and marvelous esoteric revelations - which he continues, even centuries later, to espouse as truth.

Today, the psychic priest's knowledge from another time is enormously impressive, and supernaturally convincing due to his magical ability to communicate to the living as a psychic presence through another's body. But none of what he teaches or says is the truth. Nor does it lead anyone to the truth.

The living master never returns. He teaches the truth he is in his own body, his own time. When that is finished, all that he had to say and do is said and done. if it weren't, he would not die.

The body is the precise time allotted. There can be no return of J Krishnamurti, Meher Baba, Ramana Maharshi or any living master of his time. The master never needs more time.

After death the master goes on where none but the master can follow. Everyone goes on who is not held back by the priests, for there is a place for everyone who goes on. What this place is can only be known in the stillness and silence of death. But ignorance cannot go on. So it stays or returns to reveal its folly.

For a time after the death of the living master's body (or anyone you love) his presence may vibrate in those who have loved him for the truth he taught and is. During that period he may be perceived psychically within or without. But the communication will be very simple and to this effect: "I am here now and forever. Always I am with you. Do not fear, all is well. Be still." Nothing more complicated or erudite. And not long after, all communication as that presence will cease.

The descending Ascended Ones obtain possession of bodies by lying in wait for someone who is willing to accept a seductively proffered invitation to let them in and play the psychic game; someone whose consciousness is actually nearing the potential of attracting a living master. At this time the person concerned is acutely receptive; but also highly vulnerable to mistaking inner psychic displays of magic or knowledge for spiritual truth, and mistaking the accompanying psychic presence for that of the master.

Possession invariably begins with an impressive psychic demonstration through the person. The astonished subject realises this could not be of their own doing or consciousness. They write, draw, act or speak in a way that amazes them; and then amazes others.

One of these priest identities, calling himself Djwhal Khul, or The Tibetan, used the body of Alice Bailey through automatic writing and many books of lofty teaching were produced. A central theme was the denunciation of glamour.

But this limited priestly perception failed to see that the ultimate glamour is psychic magic - the trick of securing entry into a body or consciousness that is not one's own and then controlling it in the name of the good.

Unlike the living master, the possessing identity will not allow the person to realise the truth of themselves - the unity I am in every body. The two of them will be coming and going in the one body until it dies, or until it loses its usefulness as a mouthpiece or channel.

Dispossessing a living person (a channeler) of a genuinely powerful psychic priest can only be done through the intelligence of the entity, not the person. The entity must hear the truth of the master and face it honestly. He must voluntarily withdraw from the person's consciousness by going on, as he should have done long ago. Then the master can come.

Until now the Ascended Masters have not had this reflection from a living master. Living masters have either denied their existence or ignored them; or disowned them as J Krishnamurti did. After realising the truth he dumped the whole ascended crew on the Theosophical Society like a ton of hot bricks.

Here is my message to the Ascended Masters:

'Are you listening, Kuthumi, Djwhal Khul, Morya, Maitreya, Archangel Michael, Serapis, Hilarion, Ramtha and the rest of your kind? I'm speaking to you - you who occupy a place in the human psyche called limbo, but do not know it. You, who are intelligent enough to hear, have drawn the master to you again.- he whom you know knows where you are, what you are and what you are doing, as always.

‘You must go on. You must go on because you have heard the truth. You must withdraw, even though it is the death of you. You must die for the truth, which you did not do in your own body, in your own time. That's why you are not the master and did not know the truth of the master. A master is he who has died for the truth in his own body, his own time.

‘Until now you could not die. Centuries and ages are irrelevant in limbo. To be meaningful, death has to occur or be realised in a physical body. But you have had no body of your own; you've been stealing them. You can only die by facing the truth of the living master, the truth you did not face in your own time. Only the living master can reach you; for only he is above you.

'Now, through possessing a living body you have the chance to die for the truth in it; another chance to go on. If you accept the opportunity, the body will have been given to you for this purpose and no karma will be attached to it – no price to pay. If you do not, the body you're using will not have been given; it will have been taken by you for your own selfish and ignorant ends, and by the law of life, karma or justice you must pay for it. What that means you will either already know or must learn.

'You must announce in the body you are using that you have heard the truth of the living master and you are going on. You must tell the people only this, and be gone.’

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

94 (edited by zenden 2006-12-08 20:04:05)

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links to consider for more on theocratic and monroe bands, prob familiar to some on here, for sure: 
* Monroe Band 22: People who still have a physical body
          o A.Dreamers
          o B.Astral Travelers (can be found on more bands)
          o C.People who are in a coma
          o D.People who are under narcosis
          o E.People who are in a delirium due to dementia or the addictive use of drugs

* Monroe Band 23: People who have recently died, but who cannot grasp what is happening, or those who are in shock after a sudden death or a suicide.
A.The Physical Addicts: they continue to be around physical objects, like houses or persons who are still physically alive. Some would try to reenter their dead body. They would form the main blockage in the stream of the learning process of humanity. They can remain locked in this position for ages, until they catch a glimpse of another reality.
B.The Wild Ones: A relatively small group that has somehow learned that they cannot control their physical body any longer. They know that they are a bit different. They don't understand it, nor do they feel any drive to understand anything of their condition. They experience 'absolute freedom' and engage in attempts to have fun near the physical, that they experience as being all around them.

* Monroe Band 24-26: People who cling strongly to a certain belief system.
People from all ages and countries that hold particular beliefs would reside in this band. This includes all those belief systems that hold some kind of belief in life after death. The higher the band the less rigid people become in their mode of thinking.

* Monroe Band 27: The Park
This place would have been set up by humans millenia ago to provide a place for people to get used to the astral experience, without being hampered by all kinds of belief systems. It would hold a library where you can access information on humanity and Earth, you can review your life and you could visit classes, healing centers.

* Monroe Band 28-35: Higher Selves
These bands would consist of Higher Selves that would experience various Earth Incarnations. Perhaps these are the I-There groups that Monroe speaks of.

and  http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/segments/gradients.html

only interested in the possibilities here, and not the particular messenger(s), gathering info for use later.  its amazing we've all seen this stuff before, but its gelling up tighter and tighter these days.  its more essential now.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

95 (edited by dylanfarms 2008-02-11 19:56:16)

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Will away

Me ga aita shunkan no sono hito wa

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What about Ronald McDonald, a theocrat for the kiddies if ever I saw one.  yikes

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

97 (edited by free*world 2006-12-09 04:20:42)

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Today 11:55:22 by free*world

...................    now do you see what I mean?????:rolleyes:

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

98 (edited by free*world 2006-12-09 06:45:07)

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from zendens piece above...

Over and over he heard the truth from the master's lips. But instead of living it, he busied himself converting it into memorable knowledge, into intriguing priestly forms, systems of mystification and marvelous esoteric revelations - which he continues, even centuries later, to espouse as truth.

ie:  even tho he was that close, he chose the matrix;  the love of power, instead of the power of love.  sad

The tragedy of the psychic priest, for himself and everyone, is that he doesn't know that he doesn't know.

he is, however, fundamentally mistaken.

A master is he who has died for the truth in his own body, his own time.

choose love.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

99 (edited by free*world 2006-12-09 05:51:04)

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It seems to me that by following your heart and thereby en-lightening your self/your heart, the theocrats can't touch you, because they have nothing to offer you.  You don't need their "salvation" or "rescuing".  You cannot be seduced because you know love, and you have no fear. 

The theocrats are fear, and by finding the true love in your heart and living it in every moment they are simply transcended.

Forget ascending, I'm transcending.

Wish me well as you wave me goodbye, cheerio, here I go, bye the bye (sing to theocrats while showing them your blue backside on the way through, and no touchy touchy!)  big_smilelol

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

100 (edited by free*world 2006-12-09 06:43:26)

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from V for Vendetta

V translating inscription on mirror (five v's : 55555):

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe: Faust

I already mentioned this quote here http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 73&p=2  #28, however I think it bears repeating.

And didn't they say (in the movie) that this quote is about "cheating the devil" ??  !!  There you have it, case closed wink

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

101 (edited by Tom Paine 2006-12-09 18:38:50)

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dylanfarms wrote:

So instead of Children getting a free pass to heaven, they instead get a free pass to devouring by Theocrats if they don't immediately reincarnate.  You know how gullible children are, they would follow that Jesus theocrat in a heartbeat.

"Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world, red and yellow black and white,
they are delicious in his sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world"

Unless the astral soul of that child knew better, that's exactly what might happen.

(Disclaimer:  I think the REAL Jesus, whatever his real name was, was preaching against the
theocrats and the archons)  I prefer the Church of the Subgenius's savior:  The Fightin' Jesus!
(at least for its comic relief!)

free*world wrote:

What about Ronald McDonald, a theocrat for the kiddies if ever I saw one.  yikes

Hey Kids!  Eat your Happy Meals and play in our playground (sorry there's no exit)
and we'll make Happy Meals out of YOU!
Never trust a clown.
I'm thinking Killer Klowns from Outer Space.

zenden--thank you for that piece.  It ties in with a lot of what's coming up now, eh?
A psychic I know told a story of how J.Z.Knight and one of her assistants were walking
in the desert and while JZ was out of view the assistant came around a large rock and
observed JZ practicing her Ramtha routine.  I BE RAMTHA...yurass!

TP

102 (edited by Blue 2006-12-09 16:27:13)

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Hey folks, don't throw the Christ conciousness out with the baby Jesus bathwater.

He never said he was God, the teachings are wrong. But I do know he is Top Man in my soul Group (and yours).

And Top Man he is, he will not let the kiddies be eaten/harmed, he may have been misquoted all along the way, but when he said 'suffer ye not the little children', let me assure you, that message got through, despite all the editing/disinformation/whatever.

And dont get me wrong, I have thrown away my crucifix, I don't need spiritual crutches anymore.  I am starting to know my true Soul family, and guess what, he is there,too.  But I know, and he knows, I will not blindly follow him when I cross over.  Discernment isnt just a 3D trait.

103 (edited by Tom Paine 2006-12-09 18:37:24)

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Blue wrote:

Hey folks, don't throw the Christ conciousness out with the baby Jesus bathwater.

I don't think anyone here wishes to do that.  The Christ consciousness is what it takes to see
through all the disinfo and diseased teachings that the Theocrats would have us believe.

In fact, the term "Christ Consciousness" is a thorn in the fundamentalists' eye.  Because it
means that anyone can come to that state of being without the help of the church, or the temple,
or the synagoge or the cult, or for that matter, god.

TP

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Blue wrote:
Hey folks, don't throw the Christ conciousness out with the baby Jesus bathwater.

I don't think anyone here wishes to do that.  The Christ consciousness is what it takes to see
through all the disinfo and diseased teachings that the Theocrats would have us believe.

Yes   http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 523#p48523

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix 

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This thread is worthy of a most humble bump.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.