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There is just something inherently oxymoronic about "Spiritual Politics".
The WIH reminds me of the Verdants and Hyperversals. Link
If I was to add labels I would put "dark" on the Theocracy and "medium grey" (neutral) on the Invisible College. Personally, I think humanity can do better than that.
We need our sovereignty apart from these heavy organizations of stagnated thought forms. But that's just my opinion.
Yes, I have felt the same way z3n.
Either way aren't both groups of spirits ones that have not advanced past the illusion of duality, Good vs Bad etc, Us vs Them kind of thing?
finally got around to doing this, posting possibilities for ascension wording and this. will post on the trajectory thread not to get this one gumped anymore than i have. will use stuff from Karen Danrich=mila. "Intentions and Meditation for Global Unity" ascendpress.org/articles/tao/Tao2.html to expand further. so will post there in a bit to what ive found that may be of assistance. if it resonates with u. thats why it all must be sovereign i think, individual.
must say it does ring in with stuff i got from another experience awhile back, about the ancestors. from a psychic chick channeler 2 yrs ago. she got up every am at 5 to write down her channeled messages. they were very cool, at first, and i can dig them out, as i took notes. i quit her "classes" tho before the end when she was bugging me for advice on how to deal with her evil husband, i was amazed she stayed with thim. he was embezzling from her and she was afraid of him. i think she wanted me to use my powers on rescuing her from him and wanted me to conjure up something FOR her and i saw thru it and got away. she kept after me to read her future all the time and zapped me for strength alot. i felt psychic weak chick black magician stuff from her one minute (Tibetan) while she was wearing a large silver cross to every class, and was heavily catholic, being filipina/chinese, and was still trapped in a cultural war/downtrodden woman thing the next minute. her stuff got more and more "religious" in it's tones so i booked before it ended. she called me once to tell me that i couldnt come anymore (she was having stuff at nite later at her house) til did a specific meditation. she said that i despised authority and the "authorities" told her i had to comply and start doing it or id bring BLACK into her house. i knew i KNEW her from before and had a tet a tet with her in the ancient past ( i know, stories, stories). she said i had taken on blackness from healing the mentally ill and poor and that it'd be brought into her house if i came over. and i better start cooperating sorta. i said thanks but no thanks, see ya. then i realized the other day, maybe she was inadvertently or directly working for a theocratic band of crap masters?
and this is WIH stuff, right in front of me. something told me not to go over there. her husband was blacker than the ace of spades, and i think she wanted me over there neutralized to do psychic warfare with him. i'd be too weak if i meditated i thot. it wasnt resonant. i refused that mediataion all along and wouldnt do it in class even, it felt, gimpy, unnecessary. i refuse to do any religious ritual, not gonna do it. but kept quiet during class.
she had us do an exercise once tho, of who r guides were. she did mine (how convenient). she told me i had a "war guide" that stood by me, with long white hair, beard, in ancient battle dress, (looked like a KT? its alot of medieval all the time), had limbs missing i found out later. not sure if the same one tho. anyway, i looked it up and couldnt find much. she said "they were talking on the other side" and that i was supposed to carry thru something, it would help BIG, they were waiting for it on the other side. then a new acquaintence came over and saw him or another one or something? in my kitchen that day, dressed in brown, with some armor? or like that and said "he has one hand" "he's a killer"...i thot, omg, he's seeing my dad. he doesnt know my dad had one hand. was a warrior. so ok then, my dad's connected in all of this, of course. is he from the line of KT too, from way back, of course, with me again, put me thru training. born looking just like him, so he'd recognize me at birth. (i have to find that on the net again)
so im at the sink this AM and i thot, that's it, some of the ancestors/loved ones r caught up in the theocratic bands, waiting for us. a source from within them feels/knows we're coming, we're gonna free them. from the theocracy. before they get sucked up every last drop of their energy to be put into an elemental creation. maybe thats the job. the assignment. to FREE them. they didnt have the info we have. they went innocently to the light, the mahatma? maybe and got sucked in and r in turmoil. theyre waiting for US. talk about freeing the slaves. musings here, but getting close. the finest psychic warfare training takes place now. they (people) were so inculcated in religion/church/etc. in the 20's thru the 50's-even 60's. my dad hated organized religion, church shit. he saw thru crap early on. generally tho, aunts and uncles, friends from those times growing up would be trapped possibly, theyre THERE now, waiting for their own bloodlines/DNA to come and get em out. it's us, the spiritually immune. he cant do it alone, he's depending on me, waiting. hoping. the family that have gone on before might be in a concentration camp there, holed up or such, stuck? the ones that believed the power hungry preachers, the devourers. we come from ahead in time, to free the past, from ahead in time, to make the way AHEAD in time, that exists, yet doesnt, but is vibrating there. we're the product of the memory holding and will make a new universe cleaner, much less this world cleaner. the clean-up crew--the ones WHO GOT IT. i say hold on u guys...we're a'comin. just hold on a little while longer.
god bless their hearts and ours. i never held much sway for family values tho, for the classic father knows best kind. the mother wearing pearls to clean house in, bullcrap. everybody and their family has a million skeletons in the closet. images on the outside were just that, images. its all a front, that 60's scenario made a lot of ppl mentally ill. alot of ppl r so disappointed in their parents, their families, the pain all the time. and the thanksgving dinners--what a bunch of shit. if one would tell it like it is--really, they'd have to admit that alot of real BIRD rides across that table. theres alot of resentment, weirdo dierdo family crap that shows its head, the fights happen, the mom and dad fight, the shit really hits the fan for some at holidays, the real wicked shit comes out. the leave it to beaver family means ZERO to me, that all ameriKAN apple pie family image of bullshit rockwell style. the parents and their mistakes, and their parents and their mistakes, AND THEIR PARENTS and THEIR.....i say admit it if it fits. yet, this is the time all that can be cleared, and we can free the real family out there, clear all that up this time. maybe i can show my compassion for the ones before and all that happened, that i dont even know, that carried that crap in their veins, the pain the hurt the disappointments. clear the stuff that ruined em all this way. by clearing for them from here. my friends are/were/still are my real family anyway, and we aint blood related, that I KNOW OF?!
i say anybody out there, with f'ed up family shit can get on this wagon, and we'll circle round and get to work to start sweeping UP.
hey u guys--another aha----could it be? this ascension stuff to free the ancestors, dead parents. relatives, friends that may have not been as psychically aware, that may be trapped, the previous creations....
THIS WORK IS THE WORK OF STO VS STS
this is it, we're so damn determined to free the trapped. along with the ones still sheepling along here (i had to get that in here) that we give up our own safety to free them thru ascension. we dont worry about ourselves on the crossover, cuz were armed with knowledge, we wear the armor of knowledge, knowledge protects, we believe in OURSELVES and the way we will seek, we dont have one worry, we leave that behind..we give up all for them for others and in that we r ourselves get to the apex we were seeking all along, the STO vs STS. we give up self to unify the whole and in that we individually SOVEREIGNIZE the best yet, the cleanest purest creation co evolutionizers ever. we dont see it as anything we want a prize for, for IT IS THE PRIZE< THE SECRET. we clean others so well, we filter em, heal em all, and in that we r healed. therefore, no need to reincarnate or go thru ridiculous, redundant service cycles anymore, as it lifts the realms, gets rid of artificial light, makes the mahatma look like a shithole. we bring in a new pathway of REAL HEART LIGHT< then everybody whooshing up goes thru THAT PATHWAY, that pathway we JUST MADE from the dirt of the world. thats the real beauty of it, we bring thru the dirt, from the dirt and cleanly particularlize it by transducing pain and suffering into pure empathy and compassion. no matter what happens, i always say this, even about falling in love with someone who may not want u, the feelings on that were/can be just as good as the expected experience. that maybe didnt work out for some. rather to feel what could have been and FEEL it than never to have risked at all. u get what i mean? just to have experienced the possibilities of my own thots have been a blast, a great reward. to have these insights or thots is even good enuf for me. ill keep em comin for something to do. certainly better than working, ill say that. home in pjamas thinking these fun thots and being with u guys. my god, who else even begins to get this stuff. the work we gotta do. and, if i end up being a survivor stuck here anyway, ill still do it. til its done, or begins again. and my assignment is over or transmuted or whatever. i always did like hard work.
I don't know if it's possible to free those who are trapped in theocratic bands. They may already
be depleted of their life energy. What really sucks is that many of the pure in heart and
innocent are sucked into the phony "heavens".
We must be gentle as doves but WISE AS SERPENTS!
Did anyone see the British made movie Brazil? There were some horrifying interludes which
showed pale almost lifeless families trapped in some netherland between the real and the dead--
symbolizing people who had slipped through the cracks in the beaurocracy. It's like they were
in the dark but glowing slightly like astral souls, but they were chained to each other!!!
I saw the movie but must have missed that part? The police coming in, taking the husband and giving the "bill" to the wife who signs it, priceless.
I was also contemplating "Lightning Strike Rescue Ops" to free as many as possible that are trapped, in whatever realms they know as "heaven/hell". Or would it be too late for them, and instead focus on the newly departed souls before they get trapped in the first place?
Rescue Ops would presume that you were already fully conscious, aware and not only able
to defend yourself but able to attack and "free" these souls trapped by theocrats.
That's a pretty tall order for someone who's just had the silver cord snapped and maybe is
not conscious or highly traumatized by the death experience. The Invisible College is working
to keep people from being trapped by the theocrats. Since they are probably better at it than
a newbie would be, it would be wise to find them and help them rather than thinking you can
Rambo your way around.
Also being above the illusion of duality may not apply in the lower astral, where these groups
are warring. Good and Evil are relative to your aim. If your aim is to awaken, then everything
that keeps you asleep could be considered Evil. If your aim is freedom from slavery, then
everything that perpetuates your bondage could be considered Evil.
Haha, nice Rambo analogy. Although thats a bit far fetched from what I was implying. I wouldn't try to immediatley do ANYTHING, but instead gather my thoughts/conciousness and perhaps roam around, getting a "feel" for what is truly going on, maybe talking to the (nicer) spirits, practicing my own abilities etc, i don't like the sound of immediately joining ANY group or band of spirits. They will always be there for me to join once I'm ready, if that is truly in the best interests.
There is also the chance or possibility you will "awaken" to you past-lives and hidden knowledge, instantly coming into your own psychic powers. And of course, it is even possible that you will advance past these "lower astral planes" all together 
Ahhh, the never-ending possibilities...
The Star: I have had this come up in 3 separate tarot readings. The last one the reader was blown away by my cards, just gobsmacked, and one thing that came up through every hand was The Star. Don't remember what she made of it tho... hmmm
I'm thinking at the mo, that The Star is the Individual Sovereign Being.
Zenden wrote: just to have experienced the possibilities of my own thots have been a blast, a great reward. to have these insights or thots is even good enuf for me. ill keep em comin for something to do. certainly better than working, ill say that.
hahahahahahaaaa! That is the dirty little secret of my LIFE sister! I am happy to just be free to think. Wherever, whenever. I have been known to reminisce into the future about my ancient life rocking away on the verandah with a durrie and a cuppa and rug over my legs, thinking, thinking, thinking. Won't be knitting.
But first there's the work to be done. And first there's the remembering the work to be done.
Zenden:the mother wearing pearls to clean house in, bullcrap.
Lately, I find it beneficial to don the green and purple flourites.
Zenden I am grateful for your link to newage.com.au. Cheesy as it is, I can see it provides a soft landing for newcomers to the power of the content. Could be it contains a third option to what is outlined in WIH, ie what you said
we give up self to unify the whole and in that we individually SOVEREIGNIZE the best yet, the cleanest purest creation co evolutionizers ever. we dont see it as anything we want a prize for, for IT IS THE PRIZE< THE SECRET.
If we can find/shine light on/release/realise every piece of darkness we can think of, through our Conscious Intention, and Consciously Work to raise our vibrations, I think that would constitute a rescue operation. I am feeling an increasing pull towards working with energy and crystals, and giving my body over to whatever it takes to be a pure conduit for that. I've always said that if I quit smoking then I would be dangerous. I think that our guidance is bringing us carefully and perfectly to the right place at the right time, with the right info, learning, experiences, discernment developed sufficiently. We need to KNOW this stuff, consciously here and now, before the real work starts.
Pennies are dropping for sure, thanks SiriArc
luvyasall 
Chapter 24: The Fifth Stage of Theocracy
Message 2 of 8
The Elohim races who originally perfected the astral-matter technology are allies of ours and enemies of Theocracy. Their agents, and our agents who have received training directly from them, have much more complete knowledge of how to modify and use this equipment than any of the Theocratic spirits have.
Q. Since I made the breakthrough, I’ve noticed that much of the literature on operational magic resembles manuals for using computer systems. For example, those lists of ‘secret names’ and ‘words of power’ seem directly analogous to passwords for accessing computer files and commands for instructing the system to perform specific functions. I also see a resemblance between ‘magical languages’ like Enochian and computer languages. The same holds true of numerological and literological systems. And many magical spells and incantations have a structural similarity to computer programs.
Message 3 of 8
All use of psychic technology radiates ‘black’ energy and all use of people’s own psychic powers radiates white energy, and this has absolutely no relationship to whether these energies are being used for good or evil purposes.
Message 4 of 8
Anyone who applies this concept and tries to gain control over theocratic spirits, elementals, or units of the astral psycho-technology, is entering on very dangerous ground.
Lazaris:
When You Seek To Control
You Are Controlled
Message 5 of 8
The Theocrats are quite willing to let magicians think they are controlling them, and will assist them in working all manner of magic using their various passwords. However, the more the magicians use this system, the more mental reprogramming signals the Theocrats send back along the linkages being used.
There are many living magicians walking around right now who think exactly like Theocratic spirits. They think they are gods, they think they are immortal, they think they have the right to control other people and disembodied spiritual beings to do their bidding, and they drain psychic energy freely from others like psychic vampires.
This whole mythos is based on the desire for power over other intelligent beings, which, of course, is one of the principal causes of Theocracy.
Message 6 and 7 of 8
Some of the Theocrats and many spirits in the Invisible College know what kind of people are here doing various jobs. If they want to communicate with such people, they send a group of machine-language symbols that a mind of one exact type will receive, and no other.
What you don’t seem to be aware of is that only you or someone exactly like you can hear the signal if it is specific enough. Some of these call codes are more specific than others.
In other words, receipt of a group of machine-language symbols by your mind causes a particular program to start running, if you are in the correct state of consciousness and if your mind possesses the program in the first place.
Another thing you have to realize is that these messages that you can now receive because you have the right programs loaded into your mind are not new. Many different groups of spirits and living magicians have been sending such messages for years. That hasn’t changed; it is you who have changed. You can now hear and see the messages, whereas a few months or years ago you couldn’t.
Prior To Entering The Space/Time Suit
From Realms Encompassing
The Astral / This Set
YOU Were Packed
Like A Crystal
Like Holographic Film
Embedded With Knowledge
Codes Keys Master Numbers
So:
As Frequencies Energies Intent
Shift
What Was Implicate
Becomes Explicate
Message 8 of 8
Q. The scope and effectiveness of the electronic mind-control techniques you have just described give the fifth-stage Theocrats much more power to control people than the religious Theocrats have ever had. However, Western civilization still seems to be evolving towards the goals set by the Invisible College long ago: an increase in individual sovereignty in all aspects of human life, a decrease of bigotry and closed-mindedness, and a higher level of general knowledge and sophistication in both technological and social areas.
Always Keep, In YOUR True Mind,
A Fractal Perspective:
The Information Presented Is Very Applicable
But Also, Very Linear.......
There Are Much Higher / Deeper Levels Than The Astral
A Much Broader Range Of Quantum Intent
Where The Whole Is Synergized Beyond IT’s Parts
Beyond What IT Was Before
By The High Magick Of:
Empathy, Caring And Love
Enfolded In The Force Of:
*So Precious*
YOU Should Know.......
I just had a juxtaposition of images in my head:
Just like the Killer Klowns from Outer Space when they were having their nighttime
"parade" through town and the Klowns were carrying these ray gun looking weapons
that would shoot "cotton candy" at a person and wrap them up in a "cotton candy"
cocoon. They would collect these cocoons and take them to the Big Bad Klown's
Circus Tent where they would be stored and tapped with straws to suck out their
juice, like in a spider's web.
How much like some evil astral Theocratic Circus does this image strike you?
If you haven't seen the movie, it's a teen movie on the surface, but there is a
very evil undertone to it. Vewwy scawwy.
For those who would like to read the reason for writing War In Heaven it is summed up in
the following:
http://groups.msn.com/RealityCheckpoint … eaven.msnw
Click on Chapter 31 Appendices. This is from Appendix C, A Revolutionary Cosmology:
The human soul is composed of astral matter, which is different in subatomic composition from physical matter but still follows the same general set of natural laws. The soul is a complex biological entity just as the body is, and it is not immortal or imperishable. Like any living thing, it can grow, and repair its own tissues, but it can also be wounded or sicken and die. It also requires nourishment, which it obtains from the body while incarnated. The human body converts some of the chemical energy from the food it ingests into astral energy, which nourishes the soul.
After the physical body dies, the soul can survive temporarily in a disembodied state, living on energy it stored while incarnated. Disembodied souls (spirits) can also absorb astral energy radiated by living people who are in states of consciousness that activate their psychic powers – sexual orgasm, religious ecstasy, etc.; but this energy is not usually enough to nourish them adequately. Spirits can also drain astral energy directly from other spirits. Such spiritual vampirism and cannibalism is one of the principal causes of the War in Heaven.
The spirit world (astral plane) is not “the natural abode of the soul” as so much religious literature asserts, but is a harsh and hostile environment; many souls do not survive when they enter it after physical death. The astral plane is a condition, not a place. We can’t see spiritual beings because the astral matter of which they are made does not reflect or absorb ordinary light, but they are all around us, all the time, right here on the surface of the Earth.
Some disembodied spirits can use their psychic powers to communicate with each other and with living people. Since the telepathic faculty of an average Earth person is locked deep in the subconscious mind, psychic communications from spirits and from other people usually are recorded directly in the subconscious memory banks without the knowledge or approval of the conscious mind. Because of this, disembodied spirits and living psychics can practice a form of mind control that most people find very difficult to detect or resist.
After physical death, some human souls become ” Theocrats.” They refuse to reincarnate, but stay disembodied indefinitely. Theocrats maintain political power over other spirits by falsely claiming to be gods, sustaining themselves by feeding off the vital energies of others. The Theocrats use certain forms of organized religion to enslave the souls of believers after death, and they oppose all efforts by living people to build a truly advanced civilization on Earth.
The psychic powers of the Theocrats are not strong enough to allow them to paralyze the will of a living person and simply take over direct control of his or her conscious mind. Instead, they practice mind control by telepathically reprogramming the subconscious of anyone who is in the correct state of consciousness to be vulnerable. Until recently, the Theocrats most often practiced this mind control during religious rituals, but they now also practice it on people who are watching television or listening to recorded music. It is no accident that so many people have compared the hero worship of
media stars with the religious worship of gods. The purpose of both is the same: to enslave people to the Theocrats.
The cruelest Theocratic deception of all is the religious promise of “eternal life in Heaven.” Everyone who enters ‘Heaven” after death is really entering a Theocratic band. A few of the souls who become entrapped in such bands will eventually become Theocrats themselves. The rest will be devoured. And the concept that human souls can become immortal only by remaining on the astral plane with the “gods” is a lie anyway. A soul can survive almost indefinitely simply by reincarnating for life after life on Earth, and it can grow in wisdom and psychic power during the process.
The War in Heaven is an effort by another group of spirits, called the “Invisible College” in this book, to break the control of the Theocrats over the human race and allow people to continue their natural spiritual and cultural evolution. The subconscious telepathic manipulations of the Invisible College are responsible for most of what is good in modern civilization.
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"War in Heaven." reminds me of the conclusion to the "Requiem for Homo- Sapiens" trilogy by author David Zindell. The character Danio wi Sali Ringess, travels around the galaxy, warning the human race of the portending doom being caused by The Universal Cybernetic Church, a group of humans who follow a Christian-esque way of life, but must explode stars to fuel their crusade.
Speaking of stars, did anyone see Richard Dreyfus on the Bill Maher show? Dreyfus believes that teaching Civics in school is necessary to educate the masses on civic responsibilities. I think he studied this at Oxford. He didn't mention the Invisible College;) I wonder if the Theocrats had anything to do with getting rid of Civics in public education? It's our Civic duty to find out! 
hey u guys--check this out! now heres the DIRECT link with that mila stuff (SSOA) and WIH. ill be damned, they ARE LINKED and little did i/we know. hehehe. maybe starcat knew, but anyway, NEW FOOD for thought, as ALWAYS. again, unexpected finds, while looking for ancestral karma, i found this stuff. looks like dissension in the ascension ranks. interesting viewpoints. man, i feel better now, even tho ?
check out-- http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/exploring … ension.htm
and then-- http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/random/re … eality.htm and
http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/exploring … c-mind.htm this is too good, and just what i was looking for. holy schmoly. im jazzed. Tom Paine and SiriArc and free* world, and others interested in this thread--see what u guys think.
an interesting well-thot out site by a guy named "gibbon" or? (i havent read it all yet but am going to) who used to be with SSOA (that mila group) and learned alot from them and moved on it looks like. as always, stuff generates from stuff, and i love it. even tho as ive said numerous times, ill take the INFO anyway i can get it, without shooting the messenger. theres aplace for everything, and one does not have to be a follower to garner the goods. this shows that even tho some ppl r slanted, and will end up having followers, and starting their own wars i guess, emulating the very theocrats they despise, its all good info and insight we can use and APPLY. the info catalysts itself, and that causes more thot to flow, for more conjecture. this guy could be hanging with us, hes done alot of thinking, and is educated on such matters. see his home page and all the links to his work from top of those pages i just put up. good find if i do say so myself.
he says " I prefer to speak to people who have attained a certain level of sovereignty. That is, I would like to communicate and explore the world of ascension with people who are in contact to a certain degree with their inner voice, their inner knowledge. For I think that indeed we have a lot of knowledge on ascension hidden in our genetics somewhere in some ways that I am not yet able to fully grasp. It would mean however that people are able to reach into new information by accessing their own 'database of knowledge and wisdom'.
Wisdom and knowledge of course come in many ways. I prefer to collect and delve into the knowledge or thoughts which have the ability to raise the understanding of this phenomenon called ascension.
To conclude it for now. This exploration section is open to sovereign people who are not inclined to fight or convince others, but who are dedicated to the exploration of 'truth' regarding ascension. Perhaps we can distill some 'intersubjective' truth when we combine the truth of a number of sovereign thinking people who have access to their own wisdom. Nothing is holy in this pursuit, not the bible, not the kuran, not the discoveries of the SSOA. As long as things are shared with respect for other people's opinions, much is allowed. "
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