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hey sinaptix, theres some stuff in that, i agree, when channelers say all is in the works now" and "all is being corrected now" that draws me back..theres no way likely that all STRAGGLERS are or have been removed since the entities r goin snd comin constantly.  there are definitely electronic memories left in places that play like tapes, or videos, for real.  theres that idea and more. maybe theres some big difference in discarnates and some other kind of soul projection.  i think the negs are all over in plenty and there not even discarnate but actually IN their appropriate dimension--FOR THEM.  i see what ur saying.  there is also a ton of stuff on magnetics and the difference in that and electrical fields that i will have to find and try to post.    theyre all about how electricity is no good.  maybe theres a key in that notion to this concept.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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The article on www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Criminality.htm mentions the Invisible College. Of course, the "spiritual" college is good guys opposing the Theocrats, but somehow their encouragement of "social deviancy" in the 60's mentioned in War in Heaven sounds just like what the Scientific Dictatorship would want.

BTW, the description of "astral matter" in War in Heaven appears to be garbage; us stupid 3rd density creatures are finding some interesting clues in quantum mechanics as to how spirit and matter may be related (check Braden's Lost Mode of Prayer and Issiah Effect books and Strieber's meditation series).

IMO a bunch of liars.

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.

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I actually felt quite relaxed today, yet I felt a great deal of clarity...asking questions, sharing thoughts, beliefs, feelings, being actually excited about learning economics. Overall, a good day.
Sinaptix: I've seen stuff like that in my dreams as well. Where an alien will randomly show up in your mind's eye. I've only seen greys and reptilians so far, yet they don't freak me out... I see them as something to study, though perhaps not to be trusted.
From what I've gathered, there's a large deviation in the different factions working for both the STS and STO agenda. The same species could be on either side, pitted against each other.
I had a dream when I was at my cottage about being in a room with a group of entities, being taught by an invisible force that was guiding us along our last lesson before we went out in the world (to save it? I don't know, but it felt like we had a mission we were taking very seriously). One of the entities was a reptilian, the other was a human-appearing individual, and lastly, myself. We used the washroom (or restroom, whatever you yanks call it wink), and that was the end of the dream.
So, either this is complete disinfo, or there was some truth in it. Maybe some reptilians are actually working against the NWO agenda. Food for thought.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

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Okay zenden---are you quoting some channeled source which you have neglected to
give us or are you just spouting this stuff yourself? 
I can understand your emotional state in needing to get all this information out quickly
but some of it is not exactly being explained very well. 
Re your feeling of depression:  So was I when I read War in Heaven for the first time.
I was also depressed when NeoMatrix and I went at each other over Robert Monroe's
explanation of how we are a loosh farm.  My point of view is that they (the loosh farmers)
have no right to do what they do.  Ha. Sorry kid.  That's the way of the world. (Universe)
I keep thinking back to the day when I had the realization that there wasn't an Easter Bunny OR Santa Claus.  And it only got worse from then on.  Lies.  All Lies.
Fairy Tales to sugar coat the harsh realities of life/death.

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Mentioned Previously But:

Juan Mo Tyme:

The parasitic factor Was A Glitch - Something went wrong During An Exploration Of Duality - Resulting In:

This parasitic Distortion

that exploits one polarity against the other and feeds on the result.


_____     _____     _____     _____     _____

OUR Natural State Is Consensual Symbiosis

Achieved Through Empathy And Respect

Blending: One Passing Through Another One

Both Emerging From That Love With Greater Wisdom

And Growth Of Awareness
_____     _____     _____     _____     _____


The parasitic stain on Existence had to be removed;

A Trap Was Devised:

It Drew them All.......Inside

Then, Deep Divers Were Enlisted To Go >  Into

Each Taking A Portion To: Eliminate > Heal > Transmute > Transform
_____     _____     _____     _____     _____


As Meta4:

The Abyss:

Going Deep

To Do What Had To Be Done

To Avert Disaster
_____     _____     _____     _____     _____


The mass of black worms Is Almost Totally Crystallized

ReBirth IS And IS At Hand

Something Profound

Coming Forth By Day

11   23   11

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If nothing else i have just taken the message that  the lower astral is full of decieving and controlling manipulative  entities who will pretend to whatever you want them to be.

Further than this i cannot subscibe to any belief system as i am too wary of being decieved
Do archons recycle humanity and trap them into reincarnating with a role that expands the archon control? and in this case is the advise from the war in heaven to reicarnate at all costs good advise.

I do not know the answers but i will have to be very carefull and play it by ear when i get there.
Having a fixed belief system is just too risky methinks.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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TP--just quoting the channeled material from a woman named karen danisch i think who calls herself mila, and her channel source quit i guess awhike back, who was called riza, from the "order of Riza" ...its all from acendpress.org and newage.au.com--those links i posted up there finally.  it came from blue's post now that i remember right from a post he gave us the link == www.crystalcreekproducts.com.au/newage/home wherein he was showing one of our members here about whale and dolphin genetics.  i put the stuff in quotes and was trying to show some of the main points.  there's volumes of material.  from the sites within sites.

gotta go to work--and thats probably whats REALLY depressing me along with the idea that this is so much work, this ascension stuff.  i thot i had it down pretty good awhile back and have been working on it for yrs but am sorta one step forward and three back now.  such is the way of learning i guess.

nope, its not from me, only that one post where i was trying to do a synopsis of material in a short period of time.  sorry if i didnt make that clear.  only too, is the thing i wanted to do most of all was show that i stumbled upon this and was shocked to see it says the same stuff pretty much as WIH which i think is groundbreaking.  how u read that in 1988 is simply miraculous to me.  i didnt have a computer then and was using books and such.  the synonymous correlations with archetypes and gods and our history is what i was most interested to show readers on here, that once again, unconnected sources r saying the same things.  the consistency of that is so cool.  even the C's say things all the time about lessons, lessons, so their material rings dare i say it?  "true"----egads.  if i could link it better i would but go there and check it out.  its all from her transmissions and articles posted on those two sites and even from her newsletters which r free and in PDF.  ok just to clarify--from those sites and it jives so much in great detail i think.  have a good one today everybody.  gotta get my good energy back somehow.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

38 (edited by Tom Paine 2006-11-15 10:50:52)

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The reason I was able to read War In Heaven back in 1988 was because I saw an ad in
Gnosis Magazine #5 I believe it was advertising this self-published book.  And Jay Kinney,
the editor of Gnosis had written a review of it and it sounded like a must read, so I sent
off for it in the mail.  It's an 81/2" x 11" spiral bound book in typewriter font and printed
like at a Kinko's or something.  Talk about STUNNING!  This was really scary stuff back
in 1988 during the flowering of the so-called New Age thing and it was after the
Harmonica Virgin (Harmonic Convergence!).

I really couldn't find anyone to tell about this book.  Nobody wanted to hear it.
After reading the book I subscribed to a newsletter that Kyle Griffith was putting out
on a monthly basis called The Spiritual Revolutionary.  I've still got all the copies in a
BLACK notebook (!)  In it he printed letters from readers and answered them.
I stopped getting the newsletter about 1990 and I figured he wasn't doing anything
more with it.

Then, the other night during the Dark of the Moon on October 22nd I was at work
and got the impulse to do a search on Alltheweb.com for Kyle Griffith and lo and
behold the moderator at OpenSeti had done a synopsis of the book and Kyle Griffith
had come out of oblivion and responded to it.  Now he's got his own forum and
is working on two new books.  http://groups.msn.com/RealityCheckpoint

There is more information than was available in the book since he has been asking
for updates from his guides.  Some of this information was not allowed to be given
back in '88 because the Invisible College didn't have their network fully in place.

I even xeroxed the book in '88 and sent a copy to Ivan Stang, the head of the local
Church of the Subgenius who was doing a weekly Sunday night radio broadcast
on the local public access station called The Subgenius Radio Ministry Hour of Slack.
Ivan Stang had been doing rants against Christianity and Stupidity for years with
extreme humor and vigor.  He read the book and his reply was: "Holy Shit!!!"
"He's covered all the bases!  This is strong stuff!"  He even incorporated some of
the material in his Sunday night rants.  Turns out Stang's father is a Mason of high
degree and was also telling him some inside stuff from the Masonic point of view.

So now that we're on the verge of some very explosive and dramatic astrological
events which will echo the '60's and The French Revolution as far as the major
planets are concerned namely Uranus & Pluto, we are ready to get off our collective
asses and work for change.  And we'd better, because the very institutions that
are being threatened by this groundswell of righteous indignation against the forces
of enslavement and domination are going to be sandbagging their positions against
our onslaught.  Cornered rats and lizards can be very nasty.
_______________________________________________________

LOBOTOMIES FOR REPUBLICANS
          IT'S THE LAW

39 (edited by zenden 2006-11-15 11:34:22)

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god i love u.  such history!!! ur amazing as is SiriArc for starting this thread and u read my mind.  i wanted to start a WIH thread months ago--such material!!! so thanks to u both for this thread.  i will stick to it and not derail us but i wanted u see that other material, which for some reason only will link to the site itself,  to the front  page every time without separate URL's for the distinct articles that i really wanted to cut and paste.

and how u knew/know the ppl u mentioned and ur connections. fantastic.  u are/were way ahead of ur time.

what u just told me up there is WOW.  and u have been on a really extensive track for sometime obviously--can tell by ur posts.  wonderful to know u and our bretheren.  must see some patients now but will get back on and tell u something that is interesting....

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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zenden--the feeling is mutual.  One thing about us revolutionaries is that we're gregarious
with our own kind.  It's called resonance.  Yum!

41 (edited by zenden 2006-11-15 12:55:58)

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one of the grandest probs i think is the inability to adequately express what one has found or knows with the written word.  there is so much to say and to interject but it just cannot be done with posting i dont think. always shortcuts, shortcuts, and so hard to get it down and well-expressed and to show others whats on one's mind.  but u gotta hear this one and ill try to be brief and summarize---

always went to psychics, loved the influence of their knowledge with pastlives, etc.  went for many reasons for difft visits.  admire gifted ppl.  learned alot from them thru the yrs.  graduated from post grad studies in 1995.  had to leave the state for awhile so i wouldnt work when i was waiting for another license in the mail. it was prohibited.  so the wait was a long one, coulda taken 6 months, when already licensed but thats another story--oh the ways of medicine.  so i went to oklahoma to the "sticks" to purposefully hang out at one of my friend's ranch/farms.  way way out in the country, next to the blue ridge mtns.  she was a dog breeder.  she was in the midst of having to breed one of her showdogs and needed to go to oklahoma city.  i said i wanted to see a psychic there then and she could drop me off.  pick me up after the dog junk was done.

found one in a small little town out on the outskirts, in an apt.  she goes into trance almost immediately.  used no props.  no tarot, etc.  gets all excited says--ur in it, do u know that?  i go in what?  she says this is unusual, ur pastlives are incredible.  u know all about it tho dont u.  i go no--what?  she says everybody thats with u now has been with u before, u were a this and that .  lots of wars, in tents, the soldiers r with u now again, u rode with them in battle, in tents at night with torches burning--u and ur ppl partied hard at night, in celebration of victories.  lots of swords, horses, drinking. etc etc, this is unusual, most ppl dont have these kind of pastlives.  she keeps gulping air, getting more and more excited and looking off into the distance like shes seeing something and goes on and on and then she says..."gulp gulp===the gods, u were in it with them, THE WAR IN HEAVEN---dont u know that?!  u  and the space ppl, sirians and pleidians, gulp gulp. and its ongoing and its big and way way something u r in, have been in and oh my god, gulp gulp. ur gonna be in it even more, itd a way big fight, gulp gulp.  big players, ur a daughter of such and such, pretty much forgot alot of who and what details.  but that floored me with that WIH deal. stuck with me.  then i read it a few months ago--i about croak.  the mention of the gods, then the latest stuff from the above sites, my pastlives and im ON IT.  there is so much synchronicity and resonance.  the connections to mythology, archetypes, history, all there.  whew.  been wanting to tell that awhile.  she kept saying the WIH with the gods, U KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.  1995, out in the country, 40 bucks is all she charged.  rode on horses all my life, then rode harleys, with my friends from 1090 AD.  seen them before, still with them, burn torches and party, late at night at our old biker parties and think and remember the "old days"==remarkable.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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And it's Hi Ho Hey
I am a bold marauder
and it's Hi Ho Hey
I am a White Destroyer

And we shall go to ravage and kill
and we shall go to plunder
And I will take a Fury to wife
and I will be your Father

And Death shall be our Darlin'
And Fear shall be our Name

Sung by
John Kay of Steppenwolf

43 (edited by zenden 2006-11-15 15:28:14)

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well see, thats just it, maybe i better not do that anymore. quit killing and all that with so much karma. i have a big mess to cleanup i guess.  always loved wars and battles and watching hand to hand combat.  admire soldiers.  watch war tactics on ancient battles and would like to read sun tsu/tzu the art of war.  bred in me to do it.  not good apparently.  better clean up the act.  am a healer now and have been alot of times, but gotta fix some old stuff and forgive and quit that theme. steppenwolf was in the "day" man.  wow.  hardly ever knew the right words to stuff.  u portrayed all that up there well.  i keep thinking tho that it was righteous but that may be all wrong. so i will forgive it all then.  have to, claim the darkside.  right?  im confused alot these days. 

just went to karen bishop's website and she says karma and such doesnt exist and it's all "stories"

ok, i believe everything and nothing at the same time, just keep gathering info, im right back where i started from today.

ill stick with resonance and intuition.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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I wouldn't have quoted that song if I didn't have the same vibes in me.  I'm sure I've
killed and done horrendous things in the past.  But this time I'm not the same.  I know
better.  Not that I will be able to do the Ghandi thing.  I refuse to lay down and die in
the face of someone who's trying to kill me.  We all have that darkside but many
refuse to see it.
Don't condemn your warrior past.  It's what enables you to be a warrior in this life.

Like the C's said, you must be able to look at the ALL without blinking.

Ghod, where'd I put the Visine...?

45 (edited by Free_Your_Mind 2006-11-15 17:03:15)

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I believe that althouth this incarnation of mine isn't the prettiest, most enjoyable (or self-chosen), it has provided the resources and wisdom needed to break free from the Theocratic cycle. I have absorbed information like a sponge. Detachment is really the key, but also hard to fully incorporate.

For instance, suicide does not bother me; I would prefer to choose my own time, place, and method. Thinking about how friends/family would take it is a little harder, but then I remember that I could SAVE them if I were to die first and wait for them to cross-over. Maybe it's a warped viewpoint, but freeing as many people as possible (friends/relatives or not) sounds noble enough for me.

Is there any other recommended reading that supplements/follows WiH?

PS: I don't doubt me and my younger brother of 2 years are warrior spirits (homemade C4 anyone?), and resisting the government/Powers sounds great, but is killing the way to do it?