War In Heaven (Page 15 of 24)

Unfortunately I do not think that WiH can allow a person to have a "breakthrough", but rather it is an excellent tool for people who have already had breakthroughs... I have "broken through" in just about three years since being an atheist, so I really remember that if you just read WiH from a non-breakthrough perspective, you wouldn't believe it. It all makes sense if you already have the pieces, but if you don't, then it doesn't offer any logical proof. It is a plausible scenario, yes, but the problem is that there are countless plausible scenarios and you don't know which one is right. That's why I focus more on expressing metaphysical truths to help lead people to their personal breakthroughs. In other words, I try to help people gain the spiritual knowledge necessary for them to be able to debunk their own respective socio-/geo-political circumstances.. I have realized that if I just tell them straight up what their conventional reality actuall is all about, then there's no way they'll believe me, and I might even polarize them in the opposite direction. I wonder if the target audience of WiH is exactly right?

On another note, I find one of the most misunderstood concepts in WiH as well as on NobleRealms and spiritual/occult discussion forums on the net in general, is the concept of STS vs STO... people talk a lot about the idea of universal oneness..  but they are quick then to jump the gun and go on about psychic powers, astral politics, or conspiracy theories.. the STS/STO dichotomy is a pivotal axis in the entire sphere of one's knowledge base.. and quite simply, STS *IS* STO in the sense that the self is the Self is All, in *simultaneous oneness and difference* (STS is also *NOT* STO).. but you cannot finally see this until you have realized self-mastery and experience the Truth of universal oneness... knowledge is the most potent and important kind of power.. and I fear that too much talk about astral and spiritual politics too soon will sidetrack people from the already propaganda-clouded area of self-realization. If you say that you are strictly STS then you are in ignorance, and likewise vice-versa. It's the same as getting tangled up in good and evil to the exclusion of ever-balancing neutrality. It's a potentially fatal lack of perspective.

It's no wonder that because most beings have forgotten the key of simultaneous oneness and difference that they also are unaware that the universe possesses an infinite abundance of energy and that one is truly immortal once they self-realize. There needn't be any loss of power in the astral, because you can still tap Nothing in the astral. Indeed, as long as you exist in any form, you still have your (impersonal) spark that is a(n unlimited) piece of infinity Itself.

Transix, #212 & Tom Paine, #213:

The Invisible College has a reason for assigning a top priority in everything I channel from them to "spiritual politics" and putting little emphasis on either physical Earth/ET contact or "higher planes of existence".  This whole idea of replacing Plato's concept of architypes with Hegel's concept of syntheses is extremely sophisticated, and is actually the very essence of "making the breakthrough" described in War in Heaven.

IMO, TP hits this nail right on the head when he says, "But I think the STS polarity has obviously had the upper hand for way too long here on this planet."   The blunt truth is that almost everything that's ever been written about "all souls being one", "self and other being different aspects of the same thing", and "there is an infinite amount of energy in the universe" is theocratic propaganda intended to keep people from actually doing things to empower themselves.

It's very easy for people to seccumb to what I call, "the power of wishful thinking".  Yes, there very well may be physical ETs visiting Earth right now through some sort of "time travel" or "inter-dimensional travel" that can't be adequately described in present-day English because we simply don't have the background knowledge to coin the necessary specialized vocabulary.  Yes, human souls may have the potential for eventually becoming "something greater".  Yes, there may, indeed, be a way to break the cycle of endless reincarnation here on Earth and "go on to someplace higher".  HOWEVER, my Spirit Guides believe it is counterproductive to dwell on this concepts because no one who is incarnated on Earth right now can actually work constructively with these concepts.

In other words, if there are physical aliens around, they are NOT interacting with us in any way that we have any control over whatsoever.  If we humans have the potential for becoming superhuman, no one actually knows how to achieve this state.  If there are "planes higher than the astral", no one knows how to reach them.  And even though it is obvious that there is an infinite amount of energy in the universe, the means we have at our disposal, here and now, for actually tapping and using this energy are quite limited.  AND ... anyone who tells you differently is either lying or speaking from ignorance.

I know, I know.  Most of us do not WANT to accept what I just said, but it's true just the same.  This is why War in Heaven and my other writings put so much emphasis on actions that we can actually take to empower ourselves both here on Earth and in the disembodied state between lives.  And the actions that we can take most fall under the heading of "spiritual politics".  In other words, we have quite a bit of control over how we relate to one another as human beings, but ONLY if we recognize our limitations and operate within them.  And it is EXTREMELY important to constantly be aware that there are theocratic forces everywhere trying to distract us from doing this.

Just about every tool we pick up to use for self-empowerment and self-liberation is double-edged, because the Theocrats and their earthly servants have long since created a "dark side" to all the useful concepts.  And the idea that we can empower and liberate ourselves  by stressing "service to self" over "service to others" is one of the most important and universal of these.

I think the Beatles summed it up pretty well when they sang, "I get by with a little help from my friends; I get high with a little help from my friends."  The message the IC encoded in those two phrases are much more subtle and sophisticated than most people realize.  The meaning of "help from my friends" is obvious, and points out the age-old but usually under-emphasicized truth that STS and STO are a chain of mutual causation, not a linear dichotomy.  And "I get by" simply refers to successfully living one's daily life on all levels:  physical, mental, social, and psychic.  But "I get high" can refer to two different things.  One is the obvious reference to consciousness altering drugs, but the term "high" can also refer to all sorts of transendential concepts such as "being one with the universe" or, to use another quotation from a Beatles' song, "All you need is love."  In other words, even this "higher" aspect of human nature is still tied in with our human interactions -- it's not something we do in solitary splendor, and if we try, we end up in solipsism of one form or another.

Now, what I've been saying here is almost impossible to put into concrete English, so I expect quite a few readers will misunderstand it, as so many have misinperpreted similar messages I've posted elsewhere recently,  But I keep on repeating this, using different illustrations and turns of phrase each time, hoping that a few more individuals will "catch on"...

STS has had an upper hand for far too long... yes.. but only in a sense..

To the extent that we refuse to treat theocrats as anything other than STS, so do we affirm that they do us all a disservice. Only once we realize that they are both STS *and* STO can we begin to take lessons from them, can we begin to swing the friction they cause into an advantage, can we begin to help them.. only once we realize they are partly STO can we indeed begin to realize that they are unwittingly serving us to an extent. Denial of this is ignorance, denial of universal oneness. If you can all miss this then there is still serious theocratic influence here. The Truth is that all is good, that all works towards a common end, even in the most unimaginable ways.. to affirm the STS/STO duality to excess is to create some incomplete ignorance that does not work towards the same thing everything else does, it is to create the illusion of evil. Something that qualifies excess in this regard, I have come to realize, is to say that we even need to fear them at all, once we have the power of knowledge (it is then *irresponsible* to give into fear, to doubt your knowledge and power, to take the 'easier' route of the victim). When we are weak then, yes, we must fear them carefully for our survival, but once we know how to defeat them, then they don't stand a chance... and the inhumanity of raging war against them is what limits our numbers and makes theirs grow.. so that they grow faster than us, even though they can never defeat us and we always defeat them.. eventually they are everywhere and they separate us, and we are all lone warriors in a sea of evil, invincible yet unable to save the day. It's our fault. Evil is not evil, just a very dark shade of grey; all is of the light. They are suffering more than us, and we are both equally deserving of respect, so we should be helping them, not the other way around. To do otherwise is to buy into their ignorance that makes them hate us in the first place. We have always done so.. perpetuating the cycle as STO eventually stagnates, devolves, and ends up as it is in mainstrain Christianity today--THE REAL EVIL! Then some of the oldschool(former) evil become good, Satanists et al, and fight their oppressors, joining the few good ones who remained true and uncorrupted...

2012 is about breaking out of this cycle. This cycle, as WiH illustrates, is how all planets generally begin for ages upon ages as sentient life evolves to the point of being able to succeed at a 2012-like cosmic opportunity for ascension.

Maybe this has never yet been done in our entire universe, but maybe this whole place we live in is much larger than we could have fathomed...

Don't you see, all these beings in the Invisible College, what do they fight for? Evil will always exist, as it is a necessary element of universal procession as new souls are given full use of their freedom of will to choose their path (and therein identity in a sense that transcends good/evil duality).. so do we fight merely to keep the evil perpetually at bay?.. because then there will become so much of it, as it grows so much faster than us.. so this is still part of the cycle of ignorance, that we are able to stop now come 2012. We need to look not to evil but to ourselves, and seek out our own decadences and corruptions. If we refine ourselves enough, then we will be able to grant evil merciful grace and a new chance, a new beginning, without infringing upon their free will. But basically none of us are there yet... because we are told on one hand that it's so far away.. and on another hand that someone will do it for us.. we really don't know what power we hold.. but I'm talking matrix trashing, conspiracy bashing, unlimited powers. The potential is there. Y'all just wouldn't know what to *do* with it.. and it takes a good group of us with such power to succeed. We need to stop trying to save the planet, because if we can save ourselves, then we save the planet. We can become that powerful, and we will know to use that power well, because otherwise we would be too ignorant to get it in the first place.

Beyond this cycle are other obstacles, but not evil, at least not as we know it in these parts... perhaps more intellectual pursuits such as devising more harmonious modalities of universal procession....

Oh Yes. I believe IC influenced a lot of the 60-s underground music.  Like here, from the most holy 13th Floor Elevators:
 
Scarlet and Gold

He’s a king, he’s a poor boy,
a tower in a stream,
see him standing there so all alone
well I guess he'll keep standing there,
until he's called for
and tomorrows hurricanes have blown

its his fate through old
another story told
He found no trust to call his own

His way was lost
his spirit was the cost,
he couldn't make up for the loan

But many brave men are returning,
back to the place where it began
and all our tires are still burning,
when the devils faults lay parching in the sands
and the nightman is waiting at the station,
gathered on the steps one by one
I suggest, that you make a reservation,
before all these things are done

all your secrets
they've all been told
playing in your Scarlet and your Gold

This song is on the following albums:
Easter Everywhere

You're moving, keep climbimg.
You're moving, keep climbimg.
You're wonderin'
It's the one keystone people keep trying to find

The state of mind that puts you there
And evolution's everywhere,
it's creeping back from the affair.
So leave! Leave! Leave!
Leave your body behind.
Leave, Leave, Leave!
Leave your body behind.
Yes, yes, yes,
You can always come back
To live the desire you want on your track
Live the love that gives it's return
The higher you're livin', now, the purer it burns.
So keep climbin'
(Ooo, that energy's higher)
Keep on climbin'
(Your sun catches on fire)
Keep climbin' and bathe in the sun
The dawns and the darkness
Watch, the journey's begun
[b]Remember, remember, Why can't you remember?
Remember that we're fallin'
Indifference from the love
It's only habit circumstance that fits you like a glove
Remember, that we're callin' in every cast to learn
It's spoken in the voices of the holy sound you earn
You've got to remember, remember.
You're form' can move,
You're shape is composed of edges.
You're form you can move,
Edges and ridges of your own energy!
Your own energy!
Your own energy!
Just a motion you feel.
(You're moving, keep climbimg.)
And you're wonderin'
(You're moving, keep climbimg.)
Who searched for this?

Only higher resistant consciousness and bliss
(You're moving, keep climbimg.)
By feeling more love for the sense world you're seeing
You raise sense your income and your level of being
By finer and finer,
And finer agreeing you Leave!
Leave, Leave!
Leave your body behind!
Leave, Leave, Leave!
Leave your body behind!
Yes, yes, yes attention comes back
You focus on anchors,
You have what you lack.
Live the love each thought form returns.
Graze in the judgement of the ether that burns!
So keep climbin'
(Ooo, your energy's higher!)
Keep on climbin'
(Your sun catches on fire!)
Keep climbin'
The sun fills so soon
And gathers the clouds into a heavenly moon.
Remember, remember, Why can't you remember?
Remember we're bombarded,
The downpour of the word.
The outside means lock us in so all else seems absurd.
Remember things regarding,
Are terminals like you.
For terminals discharge against each other,
And balance syphoning through.
You've got to remember!
Remember!
You're form' can move,
You're shape is composed of edges.
You're form you can move,
Edges and ridges of your own energy!
Your own energy!
Your own energy!
Just a motion you feel.
(You're moving, keep climbimg.)

And you're body and mind are one.
Your heart like cool ashes,
The life sprays through your nippled eyes
Like ribbon through your lashes.
It ripples down with your heart's clear
you're mixed in two,
The poisoned ear.
The love you feel is love you hear.
You leave!
Leave! Leave!
Leave your body behind!
Leave! Leave! Leave!
Leave your body behind!
Remember, Remember, Remember, Remember
Keep on climbin'
Keep on climbin'

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ok then, im resurrecting this baby and im going to research this more exclusively, and weave in more and more entangled threads, because somehow, the mission, the task, the big deal, the big cheese, the secret of this damn TRIP thing here, this last journey to earth, the "planet of choice" (right....) has got some wrap up trick deal in it that HAS TO DO WITH THIS.

im at work, been thinking of getting back on this thread/topic specifically for days and days and weeks.  havent had the time, nor the SPECIFIC inclination to be back on it til now, menatlly working on it quietly for sometime, formulating, but it was coming, and i need stuff from home to be more pictoral on it, but it does include the shadow side of stuff, and how it all connects.  hard to illustrate and put in words but its mostly about TIMING.  i really see that now.  it waits for the forum to catch up and get in a certain mood that will carry it onward.  alot of the understanding of that is hooked in with our actual threads.  like..it doesnt happen til u see it urself, or 'reality' doesnt exist til u see it urself by Starling, and the internet crackdown thread, quantuum physics and abductive theory by montalk, and then today where i saw Z3, pinky, Free, lono, (and fter talking directly to Blue yesterday and indirectly to everybody else), speaking of the mission and i went ape.  wow--ur on IT completely and were in the MOOD for it, so its coming, the greater picture, with the specifics.  im tellin ya, it haunts the back of my mind all the time, its there, breathing, sighing, snorting a little every now and again.  and my dreams sort of have battles about dumb stuff on earth in them, lots of conflict from old junk, stupid, that are geared about earth being messed up but from a POV that only id get.  in a very abstract really weird way that embodies 'left-over' crap about myself.  like evil ex-boyfriends, and their brothers even, and theyve turned into rastafarians (with dreads--of course), and bare feet where i havent washed them in years and theyre all hard and worn and thick, and turned orange brown. then i drove my car into an ocean and it was huge and green and so close to the shore any minute it was going to be up and over land.  i lost my car in it and walked down narrow chinese streets with stuff overhead, like cloth flags, and hanging thingies--u know, like  in chinatowns and stuff.   looking for a shaman to help me get it out, found him and he asked me why i needed it.  he was the brother of the evil ex-criminal boyfriend (used to make bad choices).  what?  tried to find meaning.  (cleansing of old bizness and stuff from recent days).  felt so tired yesterday and wanted to sleep real bad last nite and was thinking of u guys and what to say or do next.  then i watched the ghost whisperer per chance and sunnaofaB--the dead were in a war and they wanted to take over the "realm" and "be stronger than the living."  they were being guided by evil strong forces to fool everyone going to the light that were lost, still felt guilty about stuff from life, had no idea where to go or what to look for, and were confused.  there was a welcoming committee that lead them astray, fooled them, then TRAPPED THEM.  and the bad force was --get this--assisted by living ppl on earth.  the whole thing was about a guy, who will be one of many in the show (maybe), that keeps spirits trapped and surrounded, attached to him, he promises them things and doesnt deliver, so then theyre held in places they dont want to be, and reluctantly side with him.  the big PLAN is for them to take over earth, and ruin heaven and the afterlife and run the show.  there's a battle for souls.....

so HERE WE GO.   now--heres the dark side, and the heaven and earth concept, (just go from there) so i tried to think of bible passages that say things like this, with WIH concepts weaved in, and prophecy that literally, specifically mentions the dead and the living, and all that.  and the final battle.  not a bible quoter so couldnt come up with much, but i know theyre there, and apply.  so then im thinking, u know how TV and the writers of shows and movies sneak in whats going on and i go--well well, maybe we'll hear more on this and maybe, here we REALLY go--aha.  its begun with this now.  and then i thot--oh just wishful thinking (impatient--want everything kick-started and quit messing around and get this show on the road GAWD) but it may be a sign.  so need to go back and meld stuff together and keep being intuitive and feeling stuff out.  even the children gig we talked about the celebrity thread has something to do with it. like theres tons of new "presents" gifts for the almighty crat overseers. from the breeding programs, and everybody trying to keep up with the baby jonse's--ya know?  like its the thing to DO. when it certainly isnt for those reasons.  looks like a contest even sorta.  feeder system.  they know theyll die, and heres more for the quota.  i cant stand it.  (havent seen the heard george carlin  take yet but will).   i feel this real deal is so huge, it will and does, encompass everything somehow. and that baby deal is in it.  as is almost everything, it its "secret...'

so im driving to work this am, and this thot comes--everything has been a secret.  like when ur a kid--sex is so secret.  what is it?  whats it mean?  whats the deal?  then u find out all about that.  because u sought it out.  thats what seekers do. look for stuff, reasons, meaning.  theyre designed that way.  it will come sooner or later, the seeking calls out and draws u to the seeking.  then the next biggie (gotta go shortcut here--am working) is about the self.  looking in instead of out for answers.  can even use archetypes or labels or stories, or allegories to figure stuff out, the roles played in situations.  big meaning can be figured out, and ur role in it.  lifetimes go by and u get better at figuring stuff and urself out, over time.  so the next biggie--the ultimate secret is then, DEATH.  yes, thats another human biggie.  its always about YOU/SELF, LIFE  (sex is in here, lessons, roles, etc.), and DEATH.  the BIG SECRETS.  so were hot on that , and have been.  for me, its a real large one, one of majestic largesse.  im supposed to do something about or with that and it COMES TOGETHER with WIH, the end, the spiritual battle of souls, the dark side of self (this is so hard to explain), meeting u guys, learning more and more, quoting cool knowers that we have to depend on for coneptual interpretations (so thankful for that and what everybody has turned each other on to) and the warrior, knights templar, wanderer, queen, priestess, prostitute roles; healer, then magic (back to it as the number one psi skill in an 'overall') and the wise woman crone ties it up at the end, out in a mighty flash of lightning bolt PSI=to end in a spiritual battle with the crats.  not only end or get to play in the earth's endtimes deal, but its even bigger, once u know or work on the secret TO know it, the battle gets so much bigger and we/i actually participate in the war in heaven, as it goes there and they try to ruin/wreck/change the real ways out.  thats why so hot on the portal thing. sunpower, heart, remembering, all of it.  talk about service to others, not little service cycles anymore, they were training on how to heal, love, accept, care for: that drops down in size and leaves the mother of mothers--real service to a race, a species. a whole group..my god. all has been training, summation, preparation, remembering, acceptance, realization & actual application and intervention.

i want to support what Z3 said (and loved ur tinkering comment belljar--that was great)  because WE ARE IN THIS and its US.  we dont play no little hero's journey game.  r u kiddin?  not even.  thats not how we do things, how we roll, its BIG what we do, and were in it for the long run just like pinky said, leave no innocents behind (god--loved that).  we came all this way, we have done this before, weve been searching for our roles in this, (there that is, again, just easier to say it that way), and im all hepped up on this, real bad.  i KNOW this.  thats all there is to it.  and it clears up, its so big, the problem in heaven.  I, and i capitalized it this time, WE, do not do anything small, little, half-assed, chicken-shit.  WE WIELD baby, we dont go into stuff scared, lost, confused.  we can be frightened and DO IT ANWAY.   so we gotta get it together and get crankin on the finite minutiae (ill do that and keep researching for us) so we can recon, recap. recapitulate, clear, cleanse, heal. purify, understand, accept, neutralize it on out--say what the "F / Hell" and get ON IT.   

im saying this OUTLOUD in revelation, in real time, in the here and now, and let any crat, any, see it, wonder, laugh, squeal, run, plot, whatever.  not hiding a f'in thing.  and aint afraid, but prob will be, and will do "it" anyway.  know what i gotta do and u guys are feeling it too, and its about the WIH and the way out.  its never been done before , i know weve said this before, but u SEE, thats why THIS TIME ITS US--WE, ourselves, or "they"  the GWB, the "ones" or the whomever is helping us, cant go into it now--SENT IN THE PROS.  the professionals.  so know ur role, get into it, hone that baby, shine 'er on up, sharpen ur points, go deep within and love the mighty almighty hell out of yourself, since were counting on YOU, each and every ONE, each sovereign INDIVIDUAL to catch the ball that will be pitched.  each one has their own thesis, we know this, and each can individually work it, as it fits, and resonates.  thats it, and im going over old WIH notes, will weave in stuff that jives, and will have to do it as it comes.  here a link now that may help us.  and i have a cpl more but heres at least1, gotta be home to work on other stuff and post.  got on a roll on this this am.  will cheerlead, peptalk.

http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/WarInHeaven3.html  advise go back to zeitlin and the old old forum they had there

maybe even bible basics, theorize, throw in anything that fits, and revels secrets, comes intuitively, cuz thats how that works.  sometimes is slow, doesnt hook/connect up right away.  way hard to put in words.  troublesome concepts dont go easily, and is sounds so wild, crazy bizarre. and JUST LIKE Z3 said--why cant it be us?  why not the "little" ppl--well, if u look deep and remeber and claim it--u'll see it isnt so little.  thats not who we are.  i say dont get rid of any ego either, thats aploy.  dont believe it.  u need every sector of urself to get out of here.  all parts of self with no fragmentation.  every sliver.  this is real..aceept all of u first and the rest falls into place. everybody will be where theyre supposed to be.

i might not get to all the pieces of this puzzle everyday, or even all the time.  just like i can say i love everybody easily, but theyre not movin in tomorrow. fundamentally here, ppl on NR know this, and its ahead.