spirituality - physics - conspiracy - philosophy - wisdom - and more...
You are not logged in. Please login or register.
Noble Realms → General Discussion → War In Heaven
Very timely for me Zen, the WiH review you posted. Especially after first hand experience with one of his followers on his MSN message board.
One thing I have been contemplating from WiH material, is whether or not a soul can be "born" into a human body. Not completey sure WHY, but I feel there could be something there. Energy cannot be destroyed, only transfered/transformed, but can it be "created"?
I was revisiting my Castaneda books, particularly, "The Fire From Within" and found this which I thought related to the material in this thread.
Don Juan says.."at the moment of dying, all human beings enter into the unknowable, and some of them do retain the third attention, but altogether too briefly and only to purify the food for the Eagle."
"The supreme accomplishment of human beings, is to attain that level of attention while retaining the life-force, without becoming a disembodied awareness moving like a flicker of light up to the Eagles beak to be devoured."
treehugger--yes!!! thats pretty appropo and fitting, from don jaun--u have something there with that. cosmic awareness almost says that too, but in a difft way. and free_your_mind, man--i dunno know on that--theres ALOT to that, as my guess. i never thot of that before. it seems then, sorta, that that energy is just transferred in new or difft FORMS. and then transferred? u got me on that. this is the coolest stuff. so much not known. it must be formed somewhere, from parts of? itself which have been in/of/are other forms. its a reconnoitering of matter? but thats created somewhere somehow. not sure on that at all, u got me thinkin. hmmmm.
maybe something can be gleaned out for more on that from the BSD thread. theresthe homepage BSD division theory link there maybe could say something on that. im wanting to test this stuff out before the 2012 crossover, if it or anything even happens, just in case theres some kind of switch - offf and death arrives rather than a shift. im gonna try and be UP on it/ both deals. just in case. it sounds funny, and it is, but NOT!!!!
Decision:
In This Life, This Current State Of Awareness,
YOU Decide:
Is The Universe At Large:
malevolent and parasitic
Or
Beneficent And Symbiotic
??????? ??? ?
_______ ___ _
From This Zone:
‘90, during one of the Deep Journeys Of Discovery:
Suddenly, Spontaneously:
Aware Of Self As An Eagle, Felt Talons Gripping A Tree Branch, Gazing Into Distance.......
Then, Looked To The Left And Down At The Ground:
A Stone Sarcophagus, Roughly Human Shaped, 3 Robed Figures On Each Side.......
Then, Still As An Eagle, Was Lowered Into The ‘Chest Area’ Of The Sarcophagus.......A Moment Of Panic.......Then, A Gentle Thought Was Received That Everything Was Alright.......
Suddenly >>> ‘With -In’ >>>Fast, Electric Blue Energy.......
Then, ‘Popped’ Out of It >>> INTO >>>‘Space’:
Field Of Vision Was Filled With Steel-Like Talons, Sudden Fear That ’I’ Could Be Totally Shredded ------- Then The Realization:
That It Would Be Absolutely Glorious >>>Total Transformation.......
Then, Field Of Vision ‘Panned’ Out And Was Filled With:
HER PRESENCE
SHE Showed HerSelf As An Eagle,
In This Instance,
But As:
The MOTHER / SOURCE
SHE Could Have Taken Any Form.......
The LOVE For HER Was Absolutely Overwhelming -
In The Moment, It Seemed As Though It Would Be Easier To ‘Shatter‘ Than To Hold That Awareness.......
Then, The Knowing:
HER Love For Everything
IS Embraced And Encompassed
By The Force Of:
***So Precious***
Of Which, One Of The Main Components
IS And IS:
***Wisdom*** Gained Through Experience
The Exceptional ONES Explore -Lazaris-
YOU Are Magical Beings Of Awareness
On A Journey Of Discovery -Juan Matus-
from Siri Arc above
The Exceptional ONES Explore -Lazaris-
11:11 = "Exceptional ONES" ??
hey FREE* that's IT!!! that explains the 11:11 for sure. love it and SiriArc--so turned ON again. not only do u give us hope, but that ever necessary REASSURANCE. feeling better now.
Eleven in numerological terms is illumination. So 11:11 is illumination squared, if you want to say that. Illumination. Illumination. That's not the end of anything! It's a promise!
Pick A Name,
In This Zone It’s:
The Family Of Light = 11:11 = WE
Nothing has to be the same. Nothing. You can touch the joy that has no name … it can touch and change you. You can embrace the love that is beyond all names … it can embrace and heal you.
With a pinch of magic, nothing has to be the same. It is so … and so it is. Dare you let it be? ~Lazaris~
From the Man Who Fell To Earth
Sean: Why don’t they just take it over tomorrow? They’ve got all the power. What’s stopping them?
Adrian: There are a lot of good people in this world. Our vibration, in itself, is what stops them. We are the last line of defense, whether we know it or not. Our own power field. There is a lot of good love, a lot of good open hearts, a lot of spiritual warriors and aliens helping out, too. Very subtly. They are also very afraid that if they come too far out into the open, it could back fire.
Sean: They are not in a hurry, are they?
Adrian: Huh, yes, yes! The aliens are in the way; we are in the way! There are a lot of good things happening. They just can’t take over like that. Their energy is very powerful, but fragile... easily burned away. That is how it is with the Forces of Darkness. It only takes one small candle to light a whole room. They just have to make sure we don’t light that candle.
Sean: We need to reach through the mind control. Tear down that screen, and it changes people. By writing and talking about all this.
Adrian: Yes, because that’s one thing that escapes them. That people have souls. They have the life force, which is of great power. But it, too, is a form of energy; and it can be trapped by the evil ones. They can create a situation like when you are dying, and they can create a hoax, a fake scenario with a light and a tunnel and Jesus Christ and everything, ‘Oh it’s the light! Jesus is coming, Oh yes!’ They can trap the soul and trick it. Suddenly you are in a laboratory at some kind of station there. They wipe everything out and then you are back here again. They live on that. They live on the notion that they are constantly reincarnating over and over with fake lives, not enough time to catch up on what’s going on. No time to build up any strength or wisdom. These souls are sometimes abused, even for hundreds of thousands of years, well not hundreds of thousands of years, but three or four or five hundred years.
Sean: Who lives that long?
Adrian: These entities, you know?
Sean: Which entities?
Adrian: The ones that do this stuff, the Sirians, the Orions the old ones from Atlantis, the ones that are doing the most damage, the Pleiadian splinter groups together with the old Lyrans. There are beings from Ursa Major that are most amazing. They are half man and half lizard. Big people, you know. Very strong. Oh, you have small ones there, but the majority are very strong, very big up to 1,000 or 1,500 pounds these people weigh. They are warriors, that’s a problem, too. And so all these people are living in their own artificial ambiance and they are tired. They want to be in your dimension, they want to be free, you know? To breath and move and be comfortable, to be out of the bubble as they say.
Sean: What do they do with the soul energy once they absorb it, once they trick it, put it into the laboratory? You are saying that they use people coming to the light, or going to the light, as a kind of trick.
Adrian: Yes, they do that. In many cases they capture not the soul, but the astral body, but when they capture the astral body the soul is captured too for a time. If it is strong enough it gets out, if it’s not, the other part of the two senses are not developed enough. They stay pretty much like in a prison. And that’s a problem.
Claudina: And when they die are they taking them to the astral plane, where is it their spirit and the soul go?
Adrian: For instance, here you can do the same thing from witchcraft. When somebody dies, you can be ready for him with entities on the other side. That are waiting for him, with the same vibration that you are coming into. And they will capture you, and they can actually put you in a box. And you are stuck there. So, you can capture somebody with this magic technology. In a way you can work with it, the soul perception, because of the lack of evolution and all the best bodies around you they haven’t evolved. For people that are weak, they can be made to work for you later. They will become slaves and stuff like that. That’s how it works.
Sean: But there are entities that can feed on the soul force, the soul energy?
Adrian: Oh, right. That’s a good question. How do they do it? It’s true. They do. The ones that do that are the ones that are the good-looking ones. The ones that look like angels, the strong ones, that look like Pleiadians, those are the refugees from Atlantis. Down here, they are the ones that are in charge of the whole thing.
And so these are the ones that feed from the energies of the people, from the astral operations, they are looking always for people that kneel down easily and give all their power away and this and the other thing, feed from this, and that’s why you see these ships from these beings, hanging out around football games, around churches, anywhere groups of fanatic people gather for something where there is a lot of emotion exchanged, and anger. Forces that these things feed off of, they take this energy, take it, take it, and use it.
Some will still filter that energy in the ships. Some will stay in the ships. Then all of the other energy that is left over, they actually transport it to different places around the putting it away there. Then it manifests problems, wars and stuff like that. You can see out in the streets, all the crime and everything else. So they actually come for the scent of you... wherever they cling. It keeps the control role, you know? So they live from that. Isn’t that interesting?
Sean: No, you are explaining it perfectly.
Adrian: It is a great opportunity to just take people, and it is a direct incarnation from one people to the other, with the physical body. They weigh it....watching....waiting. They are always watching. Always looking.
that sounds like the perfect description of a dark brother theocrat. always on the predatory move.
we have 10 pages on this thread now, which weaves in and out of other threads.
#143
Primo Synopsis !!!
There are a lot of good people in this world. Our vibration, in itself, is what stops them.
It only takes one small candle to light a whole room.
^^^^^^^ Emphasis
And so these are the ones that feed from the energies of the people, from the astral operations, they are looking always for people that kneel down easily and give all their power away.......
^^^^^^^ de-emphasize
Looking From YOUR Future Eyes
the parasites no longer exist
WE Have Traversed Backward In time / dimension / density
Erasing As WE Go
Clearing the distortion / glitch
Note The View INTO Beyond
INTO The Virgin Future
Of:
OUR DREAM
Holy crap zenden, that was definately an mighty "interesting" interview. I've never come across that source before. Much to contemplate and discern. I found the whole thing for anyone intersted, go here: The Man Who Fell to Earth
Thanks!
Thanks for the link Poffo.:) That looks like a good read, well spotted zenden.
Do you know, I was only thinking the other day about these entities looshing the energy at footy matches. I used to be a regular 'soccer' (football) fan,(season ticket holder) in the UK, but about 18 months ago, I had to stop going, I started to get real strong physical negative vibrations, making me dizzy, sick, every time I got near. I returned my s/t in the end and have never been back since. I tell you - the emotions of hate and anger that go on at some of those football grounds! But on that day when the 'veil' finally comes down I can imagine it will be a total nightmare, I can imagine all these dementors leeching off the loosh and the fans being terrified. (If there are any fans left- attendances are dropping away at football games quite rapidly now).
I'm glad you posted this zenden, I was reading that Red Elk site yesterday and I didnt come away from it with much hope for the future, but this slant puts a better perspective on it. Cheers!:)
Sorry if this is too off topic (especially if responses are generated), I will create a new thread if I must. To me it's applicable as a followup to the content and source of the particular website linked by me a couple of posts back. Please let me know if it's not.
zenden, testing my discernment skills eh?...thanks! T'was an "interesting" interview indeed. Got me thinking about a lot, but mostly as to the verity of the information. After I read that article I felt a strong urge to do my research to find out it's relative truthyness. I found out that the Sean asking questions in the interview is none other than Sean David Morton, and upon further research I found out that he is basically a psychopathic con. I remember his name from Coast to Coast AM and I recall not having a very good feeling about after listening. He's a big predictions guy, turns out he's not even that great at that either......Here are some interesting links to check out:
Regarding that particular link I posted earlier: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/assembly.html
On Sean David Morton and his penchant for lying: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/mortonfiles.html
The strange thing is that this SDM guy seems to be a notorious liar and yet the person allegedly interviewed (Adrain) seems to say some profound and thought provoking things although there is no way of verifying most of it, without akashic records access or something. Good interviewee/bad interviewer? Dis/misinfo? A complete fabrication? Need to nail it down and get a clear vision of the source at hand. Does anyone have any more info on this Adrain character? Makes ya wonder how honest all the other unverifiable channeling/anecdotal stuff that's out there really is....
new thread?
could be--i got it from bibliotecapleyades, just going there to find that brahmin link deal that im obsessed wtih lately. theres a fabulous book on it somebody just wrote and it links to the guy's site and i cant find it.
now, as far as the veracity of the guy, sean d morton, beats me. theres no way to check this stuff, and its a mess with looking for "truth" anyway. i just wanted to put the meat of it in here--that there IS something to that trick white light. there is something on that we need to know. the trapping deal--the dark bros that have mated up with the reps. i dont think we can doubt that. its the illuminati , the nine, the families and their sons, even dtrs, that have colluded with and been invaded with the reps, and more. i think the astral plane is loaded with beings from here and up there, that have mated and have bred with each other, all along and they are roaming around up there, and down here--trapping ppl. theocratic behavior all over the place. i feel sure of it. running the show. it all makes sense. why black magic is used. those old ones from atlantis--theyre the akenahton boys,theres alot to besaid/known on those called "the old ones" --are those tibetan nine ? the same old ones that lovecraft wrote of ?, linkwd and embodied in the now, always been here, nosing, breeding, running the game. did they embody as the evil families & their minion helpers, we have behind the scenes? reptilian thinking, loosh, energy entrapment, production. its so obvious. the loosh released makes em all stronger. theyre in the dimensions above and below, theyre waiting watching, sucking.
u never do get to "heaven" all the way? it looks like a stopover, and that theyre r way better higher vibratory levels. that would explain that. i see now its just another dimension of a higher plane than this one, but astrally, not an apex point at all. no wonder theyre there, its so logical. and they might have that area sowed up. if ur 'weak' or fall for it being the endstop point, u may be fooled bigtime, when u coulda gone on. i can just see that, the beckoning to it, and its not even a high level, its on the way. its not the end all or be all, i see that now. maybe. if u "give in" and have fear or believe i guess, that its all ok, when its not, u may be fooled and have to roll around awhile. this just keeps messaging to me/ us. we feel something on this. lhats why it seems its so profound that darn WIH info. it culminated things for me. it gets to me. and were so close. were close to the concept of the 2012=yes, its a concept, and to something thats gonna change or switch over, something. and since im no spring chicken anymore, i gotta be prepared. either way. again, its interesting to see info, coming from wherever, that says the same things, from the difft sources. if i could only access those akashics. i study those too. man oh man. i often think, well, babe--ur just gonna shit when u see that even what YOU think, i say to self, is gonna be all wrong, ur gonna be surprised even with that, and wont u be? .... feeling tricked, disappointed? pissed? i warn myself all the time. i say--u better be prepared for that babe!
and my DEAR POFFO--this email prob is a bugaboo. i emailed u 6 times thru the site here when u and i were trying to talk on the cathars. everytime i do cathar stuff, i think of u! and i cant get thru to u. whats up with that? im so sorry on that, and have been vibing that and letting up on it, for weeks. id never test anybody on sources. i get info from mustard labels. like a child on that!!! go down the road and talk to u guys, and self, all the time, saying look at that, make that connection, link that with that. get a kick out of 'looking' all the time.
while theyre looshing--we're looking and signaling, and thinking, and linking, and dreaming, and desiring, and intending difft. the bastards. we're on the alert. we try to figure things out, we add and subtract all te time, we're willing to see it every way there is, whatever the big IT is. we try hard to protect ourselves, others. i love us for that. we would never mislead, purposefully. i live the high standards we live by, try to. we dont miss much-i dont think, or do we? if were missing stuff, then its just in a deeper hole. we will dig it out. we're the archaeologists of POV's.
and Blue--we have a whole thread on 'church' (yuck) and football looshing. oh yeah--lyra has talked on it extensively, others know the deal and have experienced/expressed the same. we DO see things pretty damn good. we will always though, happily, accept help. i guess we can depend on that from each other& higher selves.
The strange thing is that this SDM guy seems to be a notorious liar and yet the person allegedly interviewed (Adrain) seems to say some profound and thought provoking things although there is no way of verifying most of it, without akashic records access or something. Good interviewee/bad interviewer? Dis/misinfo? A complete fabrication? Need to nail it down and get a clear vision of the source at hand. Does anyone have any more info on this Adrain character? Makes ya wonder how honest all the other unverifiable channeling/anecdotal stuff that's out there really is....
I must have found that PDF around the same time you did, after reading Zenden's excerpt from the document. Then I saw you post the link but did not get a chance to post a response sooner. Anyway, it was a fascinating article, alright. Much of it rang true but a couple things seemed off and the ending sounded exaggerated or entirely made up. I wanted to learn more about who this "Adrain" and "Sean" were in the interview... then came to the very end and realized "duh" it's Sean David Morton, which made sense given my mixed feelings about it. So apparently you have some questions as well...
Hmmm, well it's not uncommon for certain "entertainers" in the fringe community to recombine fragments from other sources and present it in a fun and interesting way, perhaps more to earn a living through showmanship than seek and disseminate truth. So you'll find in such cases that all the good stuff was borrowed from elsewhere, and the rest tends to be largely unfalsifiable personal anecdotes and tall tales meant to impress. They can pull it off because they are well-spoken, charming, intelligent, and incorporate enough truths from others to seemingly stand on solid ground. The difference between these and genuine researchers is that for them it's mostly an act. So that's always a possibility to keep in mind.
As the link you posted shows, at least one of the photos included in the interview appears hoaxed.
I wonder if Adrain and his partner Claudina are even real. The article says they do not want their real identities exposed, so conveniently, you cannot even verify that they are still around or existed at all. Anyway... the good stuff in the article would be better if you knew where it came from, then you could find more info on it. Like for instance, Adrain mentioned that the alien Ashtar Sheran helped the Nazis do their thing, and that his real name was Asureak. Well I just read that same info a week ago in the first issue of Alien Digest, which excerpted an interview with Billy Meier:
Regarding ASHTAR SHERAN,
there is yet to say that this name on
Earth rates as a pseudonym for the
extraterrestrial criminal and
querulous Aruseak. In earlier times,
that extraterrestrial was operating illegally
and criminally on Earth.
Because of that he and his followers
were banished into another dimension,
a very long time ago, by Lyrian,
Veganian, and Pleiadian security
forces, too far away to return, and
taken away all possibilities of traveling
by technical or spiritual way. So
neither in the spiritual nor material
form is it possible for him and his
companions to contact Earth, or
with Earth people or other living
forms in our space-time structure.
Today, ARUSEAK alias ASHTAR
SHERAN and his followers have
tasks that are determined, led and
controlled by the Pleiadeans,
Lyrians and Veganians and that do
not include tasks and contacts on
Earth anymore. All different assertions
arc only lies, fantasies, hallucinations,
fraud, imposturc(s), and
schizophrenia."
Either Meier and Adrain both have proper intel from real Pleiadeans, or else Adrain is phoney and merely borrowing from the Meier material. Same with some of the other info in the interview and the possible original sources it came from. And concerning the UMMO craft symbol, you can read about the UMMO affair here: http://www.strangemag.com/ummo.html
This doesn't come off as disinformation to me. Disinfo tends to be very slick with a consistent and driving agenda that serves alien of government forces. At worst I think it's just various fringe sources pooled together into something that serves well for publicity and entertainment purposes, in line with what others have written regarding Morton. Any of the points made in the interview is still worth discussing though, but if we suspect it's not all sincere then it makes us more motivated to sift.
Oh... I can move this and related posts to another thread if this side-topic continues and people request it.
From the book "Extra-Terrestrial Friends and Foes" by George C. Andrews, 1993 Illuminet Press:
The Grays have learned that you can't kill beings, that they can never die. You knock off a moonbase somewhere and the spirits zoom on back home and pick up some bodies or droids, get hold of a new cruiser, then come back and blow you off the map. So they hit on this method for taking 'Gods' out of 'the game' and turning them into helpless broken pieces (slaves). As long as the victims never find out, you're safe. But bodies die, so every time they die you give the spirit a command to report back to heaven, where it gets a fresh implant. After that, it gets a new body and doesn't remember anything. It's an automatic assembly-line solution to the problem of what to do with political prisoners.
But recently on this world, beings began to remember what they were supposed to forget.
The only solution I've found personally is for each individual to learn all he or she can in order to acquire multi-dimensional awareness, thereby co-creating an ideal reality and transcending all of this negative crap. Of course, that is precisely what the teams of Grays doing the implants are doing everything possible to prevent.
Here Andrews was quoting something written by his friend Bix Chandler. It reminded me of this thread. More info about the book: AT THIS PAGE.
Noble Realms → General Discussion → War In Heaven
Powered by PunBB, supported by Informer Technologies, Inc.