16 (edited by lyra 2004-07-26 11:05:51)

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Moralman wrote:

Dear Friends
kind regards
Apparently according to a Christian that I have spoken too is that when the Anti-christ appears he'll be promoted by ALL of the religions.
Is there any truth to the rumours that he'll be the head of the EU?
Apparently the European Union is going to be the new superpower that will even surpass the US.
yours thankfully
John


I believe it.  I've believed for awhile that it's just a matter of time before the US dollar converts to the Euro.   

I would think that we'd have to find ourselves engaged in some kind of all out war where we're alligned with some of the European superpowers and where the dollar has collapsed for that to happen.  Otherwise, we'd have no reason / excuse.    It's totally feasible with the way things are currently headed.     The U.S. / Europe alligned against some manufactured Middle Eastern Muslim "enemy".  Financial collapse of the U.S. and the dollar, and final merger with the Euro or even the EU.   

Wonder who the leader of the EU will be?   Any ideas?

(I know!!  Arnie!!   haha wink   Actually, you never know............he's European, and has ties to both the US and Europe...............could be..........)

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Dear Lyra
kind regards
I am not entirely sure if the US will merge with the EU.
I don't think that has ever been apart of the Illuminati plan.
Bush and his "Pax Americana" will provoke more enemies than America as a nation can handle.
The agenda is to conquer the Islamic nations, Russia(all of the US bases in these occupied nations are apparently circling Russia) and China.
If "Pax Americana" goes as planned then America is in serious trouble.
The EU will be the new Superpower and of course they'll have a suitable candidate for the EU president.
Its the Anti-christ who will apparently emerge out of the EU that interests me.
yours thankfully
John

18 (edited by lyra 2004-07-26 12:36:49)

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Moralman wrote:

Dear Lyra
kind regards
I am not entirely sure if the US will merge with the EU.
I don't think that has ever been apart of the Illuminati plan.
Bush and his "Pax Americana" will provoke more enemies than America as a nation can handle.
The agenda is to conquer the Islamic nations, Russia(all of the US bases in these occupied nations are apparently circling Russia) and China.
If "Pax Americana" goes as planned then America is in serious trouble.
The EU will be the new Superpower and of course they'll have a suitable candidate for the EU president.
Its the Anti-christ who will apparently emerge out of the EU that interests me.
yours thankfully
John


I disagree.  If they think that America stands a chance at conquering not only the entire Middle East but Russia AND China to boot, they need to think again!   China has over 1 billion people, and nothing to lose.   We're not conquering anything with them and they know it. 

The plan, as I've understood it from my reading, and from what we're witnessing happening at the moment, isn't the United States marching around the world single handedly conquering and laying waste to every country in its path.   It's the systematic dismantling of this country and then eventually merging it with an even bigger entity.  This is accomplished via the destruction of our country, the Constitution, our currency, and the stripping of our title as "World's #1 Superpower."  Our time is up, and it's been the plan for who knows how long. That's why we see the things happening around us that are happening. The United States making enemies, waging war in the Middle East, the devalueing of the dollar, etc. etc.   

When this country was founded in the late 1700's, the overt control of the Illuminati Brotherhood, based out of England, went covert, with the United States.   We're all two sides of the same coin.  And then when you trace things back you find that the "Brotherhood" moves around from one area of the world to the next, divying up who gets to be the latest great leader / superpower.   The United States, Great Britain, Rome, Egypt, Babylon......and so on down the line.  Trace it back far enough and you're probably looking at off-planetary origins.    So our time is up, they know it, and things are already underway to ensure that we fall and the next superpower rises.  That's why I can totally forsee us merging with the EU.   (and probably eventually Canada and Australia, at the very least.)   World conglomeration is their goal, not separate entities.   Why let the U.S. lie by the wayside when it can be fully integrated with the EU?   

That's just how I see it.  Who knows though.................

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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19 (edited by aaronfirebrand 2004-07-26 12:44:47)

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I see the EU as I do NAFTA and many other, earlier multinational groupings--building blocks for a global identity under a worldwide control system. The world has already been divided into ten "magna-regions" which will come under authority of a single entity. These may be the "ten kingdoms from Revelation.  Many years ago, (maybe from Wm. Cooper?) I read of a prediction that when the "aliens" finally arrive publicly, they will present a holographic record of Jesus surviving the cross, establishing his lineage to introduce the heir to the throne. Maybe the Merovingians fit in here, maybe they're another red herring. That schwartzenazi sure bothers me, though. He's certainly got that "fierce countenance" and "stouter" look attributed to the future head of the beast system.               Added after reading the previous post: I think you have it pretty well sussed out, lyra. I wanted to add that it's long been my thought that the reason we (esp. America) have such duplicitous weasels for leaders is to cause us to lose faith in our system, and look for a greater prospect with world government. Also, I just took a quick look at montalk.net as I thought I'd seen an article about "lead nation status" changing from US to China complete with graph), but I couldn't spot it. I hope it's still there, well worth checking out.

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I remember that from somewhere...I think it was an article about financial manipulation of world markets.

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Dear Friends
kind regards
Speaking for myself personally I don't see how the masses can place faith in any singular government...........how on Earth would they put their faith in a One World government that is being runned by the same people?
The phoney politicians in both the EU and the US(Depending on whom you ask) will be the head of the NWO World government.
I think that the Western World would shun China being the No.1 Superpower because culturally they are quite different.
I think that China as a financial and technological superpower is guaranteed but the EU will be the Superpower.
Aaronfirebrand is probably right though about the politicians of today and how they are deliberately tring to act as public enemy no.1.
I have always found it strange that all of the Newspapers in the UK took such a righteous stand against Bush going to war.
Even most of the people in Bilderburg like Dennis Healey condemned the invasion of Iraq.
I think that the conspiracy is definately the destruction of America's status.
I can see through these smokescreens just like the rest of you can but the vast majority don't care to listen-it flies over there heads.
I definately feel though that the World government and the Anti-christ will scam most people though in this World who believe in them and refuse to hear the facts of others.
The stage is now set for mass deception and the game is being cleverly played.
All of us on this forum can be proud of the fact that we see things that other people don't know.
God reveals his secrets to the discerning.
yours thankfully
John

22 (edited by lyra 2004-07-26 15:20:05)

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Moralman wrote:

Dear Friends
kind regards
Speaking for myself personally I don't see how the masses can place faith in any singular government...........how on Earth would they put their faith in a One World government that is being runned by the same people?

John, the masses are already doing a smaller form of this with their acceptance of the EU.   

Baby steps.   That's how it works.  You don't spring something on the public all in one lump.   You introduce / indoctrinate them slowwwwly, in baby steps.   And when need be, you pull out that old tried and true method called "Probem - Reaction - Solution", which I'm sure you're aware of, so I won't go into it here.     Those two things right there.   Slow indoctrination and P-R-S. 

First they got about 12 European nations into the new European Union.  And bit by bit they added 5 new countries here, 7 new countries there, until now they're up to at least 20 countries I think, probably more.   That's a HELL of foot in the door to one world government if I ever saw it..............................And the people of Europe have just accepted it.   Can you believe we live in a world where the Deutchmark, the Pound, the Lira, the Frank, et al no longer exist??   I never thought we'd see such a thing.  But it's happening.   And what are they using?   Their "one currency" Euro, with its tracking strip and other "NWO Conspiracy Theory" accessories.    All the stuff that was just conpiracy talk 15 years ago.

Come on, it's already happening.   The masses are pretty stupid and unaware, apparantly.   You even say as much by the end of your post.  They've tolerated Bush, they've tolerated the EU, they don't care.   As long as they can put food on their table (put food on your family!.....haha, sorry, bad Bushism joke....)  and sit down with a beer afterwards to their favorite t.v. shows and sports, they don't care.   They won't care til fit hits the shan and their little "way of life" is interfered with.   If their way of life isn't being interfered with, why do they care if it's all a sham?  They still have t.v.    They still have beer.  They still have that big house with the 3 car garage and the gas guzzling SUV's and Hummers.   They still have their cushy corporate jobs and the nice wardrobe.   They still have their "lifestyle."   And the poor people who don't have all that?   They don't care either.   They know there's nothing they can do, they have no say, no power, so they seem to try to just tune it out and survive another day.    I know because I've worked with both ends of the spectrum, seen people from both worlds and heard their political / current events views....or lack thereof. 

THIS is how a one world government, a one world entity leadership, one world currency, etc. can happen.    Small baby steps, indoctrination, Problem-Reaction- Solution, and a public that either doesn't care or has given up out of a feeling of powerlessness.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Dear Lyra
kind regards
Yes you are right its a slow but sure process.
I know that the Illuminati plans ahead............
Some people say that they plans thousands, hundreds or a hundred years ahead of everyone depending on whom you speak too about this conspiracy.
The EU has been a plan in the making for a considerably long time.
Some people believe that when the British Empire failed in their objective they immediately sought to establish an empire closer to home.
This is a more sophiscated ploy because the EU is forming under the banner of marketing, better politics and more prosperity.
They have achieved their empire through other means as opposed to imperialism.
Winston Churchill(I wonder what people on this forum have to say about this great war leader) stated that the empires of tomorrow will be through the power of the mind.
How true that is............
You stated also that people don't care as long as they have what they want in life and you are right.
I used to try to convince people of their mistakes, wrong doings and the Illuminati and more often than not they refused to listen.
I don't bother telling people of such things or try to change them............people reap what they sow.
In the end the spineless humanity will pay for refusing to adress these issues.
You are right about the masses............
They will vote for the EU, Bush and anything that the media portrays as acceptable because it is a social sin to go against the "majority" flow in society.
Well all I can say is this..........there shall be plenty of horses going to the water and drinking it.
yours thankfully
John

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You got it. Joe Sixpack (now Joe Twelvepack?) has completely regressed to intellectual infancy. When a "new concept" is presented to him, he has no idea that it's been waiting in the wings for his conditioning to be complete. He has no time (or talent) to evaluate it, as the institution is already in place, and before you know it, it's like it was always that way.   It's a simple matter for TPTB to have "solutions" ready for the problem they created in the first place. Humans always remind me of lemmings charging over the cliffs to their deaths. Fortunately for the lemmings, enough of them survive to repopulate. I wonder if the survivors  have an awareness of their predicament which makes them hesitate to fall for the majority impulse. I wonder if they try to warn their fellows...

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Thank you,SednaSphere, your help in identifying the World Manipulation articles led me to the links:                                                                                                                       http://www.angelfire.com/mt/montalk/world.html     http://www.angelfire.com/mt/montalk/world1.html

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Dear Friends
kind regards
I know that there is alot of talk about the Anti-Christ and his arrival.
I just wish that instead of all of these "alternative truths" out there we could just have one truth.
Here is a website with many "alternative opinions".
They are not endorsed by me but I feel you as my friends searching for the truth should see this website.
Its a Christian protestant website.
Look at its content and give me your opinions.
www.reformation.org
yours thankfully
John