Jewish power and the Illuminati (Page 7 of 10)

Here is an extract of my discussion with Nicolaas de Jong. I won't publish his answer ; I made a mistake when I published Boardman's correspondence with me without asking him first. I completely forgot that it was private and not public correspondence.

Bye!

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Druid wrote:
Mr De Jong,

Do you really 'see' the end of ahriman rule in 2012 like you told me? I tent to believe otherwise, that the Powers That Be have a plan to survive the cataclysmic disasters that will come and will use it to reduce world's population in order to enslave the rest of humanity that will have survived. Ravenscroft menrionned this in Mark of the Beast. I felle there is really something in this 2012 year that will happen, but not in the way new age cults think it will be.

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We are in the days of the Pale horse and demonic intellectual forms, knocked out loose technique and machinery that became independent (in ufos for example), will be more and more dominating, creating a prisonplanet as in the Matrix (mechanical spiders of the AI, and so on).

Now, people are afraid of their government (destroying bill of rights and legalising torture, thus resurrecting Toatl cult and prematurly creating the race of the beast and destroying our autonomy: Steiner said: "The greater part of humanity will continue to be influenced by America, but not the America we know today. It will not be long after the year 2000 has come round, that not a direct, but a kind of prohibition on all thinking will issue from America, a law whose purpose will be the suppression of all individual thinking (Apr. 4, 1916, GA 167). [p. 83] ) and people are also afraid of the future in general (in short :lodges) many new age and religious cults see big disasters to come), culture, religions and medias in general spreading millenium armagedon expectations and fears. Lodges of the West and the East create this 'clash of civilisations' artificially to destroy the earth (inspired by asuras) wiht nuclear armageddon. Some researchers found Israel-Mossad involvment in global terrorism instead of true muslim extremists (there are muslim extremists but not the way medias represent them). What links Israel to USA neocons (and G-B) is their armageddonism. Bondarev mentionned jesuit racist link to zionism ( "Jesuitism, which draws support from Zionist racism, issuing it for the purpose of preparing a world-wide 'racial explosion'. And when this takes place it will not strike anyone as being a minor affair. In other words the world is moving towards, not a conservative, but a racist revolution." [p. 164]) Implicit zionist policies, hiding behind armageddonism and clash of civlisation ideology, are mostly governing G-B, USA and Israel (the West). what might happen according to me is that the zionist bloc of USA-G-B and Israel will declare nuke war on Iran (or North Korea first?), and then Russia will align itself with Iran, and why not also China. East Vs West with a nuke shroom in the middle to destroy the culture of the I (asura assaults the human I). Maybe this nuke threat is meant to scare the hell out of the nations in order to introduce a false messiah that would 'prevent' and 'save' us all from global annihilation. He would unite religions ("Deeply religious Russians warned already before The 'Perestroika' period: 'Now the Communists forbid the people to go to church; the time will come when people will be forced to go to Church -- but one must not go then, because the Anti-Christ will be enthroned there.'" [Bondarev,p. 232]) unite religion with materialistic (gundishapur-style) science of the 'paranormal' with electromagnetics, free energy, and so on.(as Bondarev said: "It is a purely Asuric idea to want to build an earthly paradise where man is not exposed to any risks." (...)"Intellectualism will increasingly become a possession of the broader masses, but for the sole purpose of harnessing these masses completely to mechanized culture, to the extent that the human being will be incorporated as an element into the various mechanical-cybernetic systems of the future, and also, in part, of the present. The 'Highest' to which man can look up will be, instead of the Spirit Self, ahrimanic immortality, while the most varied cybernetic-parapsychological refinements will spread over the earth. . . . " [p. 279]) We see this already in the numerous memory and intellectual speed and efficiency training of thought in firms and corporations. (helping them gaining ahrimanic inspiration)

The war in Irak icould be meant mostly for the sake of destroy both sides, armies of the West and of Irak  : "{besides the Soviet abandonment of fortifications and the pre-war slaughter of much of the officer corps} Suvorov describes how many of the Soviet troops, who had assembled at the Western border on June 22, 1941, were left entirely without topographical maps. He lists a number of eyewitnesses." [p. 140] "The Soviet cadre army, consisting of millions of soldiers, was not only blind but bound hand and feet and transported to the Western frontier for one purpose: its destruction. For -- we repeat -- the main purpose of the Second World war was the greatest possible destruction of the population of Eastern- and Middle Europe."

9/11 mass slaughter might have served occult purposes: "In one of his lectures Rudolf Steiner speaks of the occult foundations of terrorism. He speaks of how, through prepared mediums, secrets of the spiritual world are gained with the help of the souls who are violently forced out of their bodies; how one gains knowledge of what wants lawfully to take place in the world, in order then by means of expert knowledge to falsify the healthy impulses of development." Steiner said something about the death of Franz ferdinand and the use of mediums by lodges to discover Russia' s secrets of the future and to enslave them and ruin this grail mission of Russia. This could be related to the third secret of Fatima, concealed by the Church.

Can the Earth still be saved if so few people can spiritually heal it? I believe many will be able to pierce through the heavy veil of darkness, but do you think there is hope that Earth can fulfill its mission with such powerful forces intent on hardening and destroying it and almost nobody feeling the etheric Christ? The Earth will become more moon-like because of all darkness activity, but few people will still be capable to relate etherically to its sun birth. But who can so few people can give birth to a sun?? Can it be done like one heals landscapes?

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Nicolaas wrote:
there is something you mention too little: "1 : 4 people is a Chinese. They have plans to take over Noth America in different ways. Many Chinese live already in the US, and Alaska is near. This North Korean 'flee attack' might be put up by CIA, for US to investigate how well they can trust China (and partly Russia, but that has been fallen for the free market already, on instignation of Al Gore under Clinton)."

Nicolaas also talked about the fact that the beings of the eighth sphere:
"It is something the fallen elementals and some fallen angels, mostly of the arimanic type, are busy to create; they make their own planet. They come from different sublitteral spheres, but are not equal to it. It consists of fallen consciousness forces, so electricity, electromagnetism and nuclear force, and is condensening itself more and more. We connect with it and feed it when we use these forces (the internet being is for instance from this sphere; a counter-exusiai). But I think as well that we need to connect to it and etrherise it, turn it over in the esotheric Christian way, so that the beings in it, may continue to be part of the overall development. We can learn from them in technical sense, they can learn from us sopul power and love, so that they acquire freedom. I once sang a song for ufo beings at Lake Tahoe, California/Nevada, and experienced that those ufo beings were being taken up into the evolution again because there appeared many colours in the atmosphere (which was before just blue; it was in the middle of winter). And I felt I did them a great pleasure, even though they didnot like it at that time. I do not think this is the same as hell, for that is the kama loka, the sphere of desire one has creasted by himself, and the astral beings they bring forth, one may enter after death. This 8th sphere is expressed in many hollywoodfilms, such as the Matrix; no colour (soul), just thrives and ideals (will and thoughts, consciousness), and nature in its beauty and joy being expelled; just as Ahriman desires the Earth to become; the result of the spiritual kingdom on the Earth, as he tries to inspire us. For instance: to live on in clones, one needs the youth forces of kids, and hence many kids disappear in the US. There you see a part of this hell world being created on the Earth: it is being created by some humans, in order to live on in beauty just for themselves."

Finally, Nicolaas talked to me bout 'Anastasia' being an incarnate angel, giving solutions to our problems. Look for it.

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Druid's answer :
I agree with you, except that I believe that The Powers That Be would have reasons to use nukes (under asuras deadly intuitions). For example, Israel govt is already poisoning the nest nearby its own people by nuking Lebanon last summer (by the way, the father of a friend of mine made an astrological chart of the creation of the Lebanon State and the graphic was identical to the star of David!). Most important to them seems to be the ethnocide of arabs and muslims but also Jews, even if it sounds illogical. Israel govt controllers are not in Israel. I think one of the goals to reunite Jews in Israel was to start a war inside the semitic peoples, arab-muslim and jewish, that would culminate in the destruction of both (or most of both) peoples population.   

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/edi … ebanon.php
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061028/wl … 1028034116

"High radiation levels said to be found after Israel's Lebanon bombing Fri Oct 27, 11:45 PM ET

LONDON (AFP) - Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reports.

The samples were taken from two bomb craters in Khiam and At-Tiri and have been sent for further analysis to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire, southern England, for mass spectrometry used by the Ministry of Defence, The Independent said.

The samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed "elevated radiation signatures," Chris Busby, the British scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, was quoted as saying.

Britain's Ministry of Defence has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples, the newspaper said.

In his initial report, Busby said there were two possible reasons for the contamination.

"The first is that the weapon was some novel small experimental nuclear fission device or experimental weapon (eg. a thermobaric weapon) based on the high temperature of a uranium oxidation flash," it said.

"The second is that the weapon was a bunker-busting conventional uranium penetrator weapon employing enriched uranium rather than depleted uranium," Busby was quoted as saying.

A photograph of the explosion of the first bomb shows large clouds of black smoke that might result from burning uranium, the newspaper said.

The 34-day Israeli offensive against Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon left at least 1,287 people, nearly all civilians, dead and 4,054 wounded, according to an AFP count based on official Lebanese figures.

At least 1,140 civilians -- 30 percent of them children under 12 -- have been killed along with 43 Lebanese army and police troops in the offensive, the state High Relief Committee said."
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By the Way, I found this on Signs of the times website, linked to Laura Knight Jadczyk who was once the channeler of 'Cassiopeans'. This group is explicitly against Israel colonialism and pro-Palestinina, as she presents Arabs and muslims as being on the side of the good. they are clearly victims of ethnocide, that is true. But LKJ spirituality is Gurdjieffian, and mostly luciferic, anti-yahve and anti-jewish, with no understanding of Christ. Her scientific view of the world is ahrimanic, given by ahrimanic inspirations. It all reminds me of Blavatsky receiving communications of mahatmas with spirtual content distorted with their nationalistic agenda (and spiritual materialism), that was opposed to british colonialism in India, pro-Tibet liberation, and so on. Same anti-yahve propaganda, and complete misunderstanding of the role of Christ in man-earth development, same nationalistic obsession, etc. Well, LKJ and Blavatsky are not identical, by LKJ has always reminded me of Blavatsky. She thinks both her and her husband are the reincarnations of German Jews killed by nazis in 2nd WW. Having read Irene Diet's book 'La réincarnation sans l'esprit: histoire d'une contre-vérité', I am wary that she could be misguided by forces who seek to divert our understanding of the true reality of the reincarnation of the Ego, which Steiner revealed. If you haven't read this book, I suggest you do, or you can go on this website and read an article of Irene Diet in French. It is 'controversial', but I believe it is important to understand however. It challenges the way Th Meyer inteprets Barbro Karlen story (she thinks she is Anne Frank). http://users.belgacom.net/idcch/ReincTxt.html (index)
http://users.belgacom.net/idcch/Dg141595.html (do holocaust victims reincarnate?)
http://users.belgacom.net/idcch/Dg2098.html (Irene Diet)

Were does this quote come from? I can't find it.

Conversations with a co-worker with elementals, Nicolaas de Jong.

DRUID:
the Powers That Be have a plan to survive the
> cataclysmic disasters that will come and will use it to reduce world's
> population in order to enslave the rest of humanity that will have survived.
> Ravenscroft menrionned this in Mark of the Beast. I felle there is really
> something in this 2012 year that will happen, but not in the way new age
> cults think it will be.
>
> ...
> We are in the days of the Pale horse and demonic intellectual forms, knocked
> out loose technique and machinery that became independent (in ufos for
> example), will be more and more dominating, creating a prisonplanet as in
> the Matrix (mechanical spiders of the AI, and so on).
>
> Now, people are afraid of their government (destroying bill of rights and
> legalising torture, thus resurrecting Toatl cult and prematurly creating the
> race of the beast and destroying our autonomy: Steiner said: "The greater
> part of humanity will continue to be influenced by America, but not the
> America we know today. It will not be long after the year 2000 has come
> round, that not a direct, but a kind of prohibition on all thinking will
> issue from America, a law whose purpose will be the suppression of all
> individual thinking (Apr. 4, 1916, GA 167). [p. 83] ) and people are also
> afraid of the future in general (in short :lodges) many new age and
> religious cults see big disasters to come), culture, religions and medias in
> general spreading millenium armagedon expectations and fears. Lodges of the
> West and the East create this 'clash of civilisations' artificially to
> destroy the earth (inspired by asuras) wiht nuclear armageddon. Some
> researchers found Israel-Mossad involvment in global terrorism instead of
> true muslim extremists (there are muslim extremists but not the way medias
> represent them). What links Israel to USA neocons (and G-B) is their
> armageddonism. Bondarev mentionned jesuit racist link to zionism (
> "Jesuitism, which draws support from Zionist racism, issuing it for the
> purpose of preparing a world-wide 'racial explosion'. And when this takes
> place it will not strike anyone as being a minor affair. In other words the
> world is moving towards, not a conservative, but a racist revolution." [p.
> 164]) Implicit zionist policies, hiding behind armageddonism and clash of
> civlisation ideology, are mostly governing G-B, USA and Israel (the West).
> what might happen according to me is that the zionist bloc of USA-G-B and
> Israel will declare nuke war on Iran (or North Korea first?), and then
> Russia will align itself with Iran, and why not also China. East Vs West
> with a nuke shroom in the middle to destroy the culture of the I (asura
> assaults the human I). Maybe this nuke threat is meant to scare the hell out
> of the nations in order to introduce a false messiah that would 'prevent'
> and 'save' us all from global annihilation. He would unite religions
> ("Deeply religious Russians warned already before The 'Perestroika' period:
> 'Now the Communists forbid the people to go to church; the time will come
> when people will be forced to go to Church -- but one must not go then,
> because the Anti-Christ will be enthroned there.'" [Bondarev,p. 232]) unite
> religion with materialistic (gundishapur-style) science of the 'paranormal'
> with electromagnetics, free energy, and so on.(as Bondarev said: "It is a
> purely Asuric idea to want to build an earthly paradise where man is not
> exposed to any risks." (...)"Intellectualism will increasingly become a
> possession of the broader masses, but for the sole purpose of harnessing
> these masses completely to mechanized culture, to the extent that the human
> being will be incorporated as an element into the various
> mechanical-cybernetic systems of the future, and also, in part, of the
> present. The 'Highest' to which man can look up will be, instead of the
> Spirit Self, ahrimanic immortality, while the most varied
> cybernetic-parapsychological refinements will spread over the earth. . . . "
> [p. 279]) We see this already in the numerous memory and intellectual speed
> and efficiency training of thought in firms and corporations. (helping them
> gaining ahrimanic inspiration)
>
>
> The war in Irak icould be meant mostly for the sake of destroy both sides,
> armies of the West and of Irak : "{besides the Soviet abandonment of
> fortifications and the pre-war slaughter of much of the officer corps}
> Suvorov describes how many of the Soviet troops, who had assembled at the
> Western border on June 22, 1941, were left entirely without topographical
> maps. He lists a number of eyewitnesses." [p. 140] "The Soviet cadre army,
> consisting of millions of soldiers, was not only blind but bound hand and
> feet and transported to the Western frontier for one purpose: its
> destruction. For -- we repeat -- the main purpose of the Second World war
> was the greatest possible destruction of the population of Eastern- and
> Middle Europe."
>
> 9/11 mass slaughter might have served occult purposes: "In one of his
> lectures Rudolf Steiner speaks of the occult foundations of terrorism. He
> speaks of how, through prepared mediums, secrets of the spiritual world are
> gained with the help of the souls who are violently forced out of their
> bodies; how one gains knowledge of what wants lawfully to take place in the
> world, in order then by means of expert knowledge to falsify the healthy
> impulses of development." Steiner said something about the death of Franz
> ferdinand and the use of mediums by lodges to discover Russia' s secrets of
> the future and to enslave them and ruin this grail mission of Russia. This
> could be related to the third secret of Fatima, concealed by the Church.
>
> Can the Earth still be saved if so few people can spiritually heal it? I
> believe many will be able to pierce through the heavy veil of darkness, but
> do you think there is hope that Earth can fulfill its mission with such
> powerful forces intent on hardening and destroying it and almost nobody
> feeling the etheric Christ? The Earth will become more moon-like because of
> all darkness activity, but few people will still be capable to relate
> etherically to its sun birth.
Druid

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NDJ:
Terrorism has been created by the Bushes and theit Skull and Bones to continue the dualism after the commies have mainly vanished. 9-11 was clearly created by US forces, as the Taliban are. And there are Juish lodges behind the scenes, very influential behind the scenes in the US, that want one big Israel. Besides US lets themselves partly use by the big Britisch bankers.

there is a plan to fessel mankind, and even diminish the population to 200 million. That is what the counterforces try to do; create fear, so that freedom may be linked. Before it was the church, now you have to do it via money flows and fear as powersources.
And I do still beleive that the incarnation of Ahriman will be ended in 2012. But that doesnot mean that his influience will stop after this. It will take mankind quite some time to regain freedom after this.
And one thing I think you mention too little: 1 : 4 people is a Chinese. They have plans to take over Noth America in different ways. Many Chinese live already in the US, and Alaska is near. This North Korean 'flee attack' might be put up by CIA, for US to investigate how well they can trust China (and partly Russia, but that has been fallen for the free market already, on instignation of Al Gore under Clinton).
So, many threads for the freedom and growth of mankind. But I believe, and see with the people that I educate, as well with others that slowly wake up and see they have to start around themselves, that the powers of man are very strong, and can conquer these counterattacks from mere consciousness and growing will power through this. We will surely survive these attacks. And besides, I do no longer believe in a nuclear war; noone can afford the negativity that comes from it. They threaten one another with it, ok, but problably will never use it on large scale. Why destroy your own nest?
Somethin else: at moment is very influentual the work and books of Anastasia, an incarnated angel showing Russian people that there positive creative powers lay nearby. Many Russians, but also many other people read het books. She tries to help people over the times of teh negative forces. And her solutions sometimes are very clear and simple. If you connect yopurself in love with the Earth, a piece of land, and do gardening wherewith you connect yourself to the plants, you caress Mother Earth, and she will give you lots of love and power back; the power of love. Sounds simple, but is very deeply cosmically connected. Do you know her? There are many communities, and I believe about 6 books about her. A way of positive thinking and acting; acts out of love are much stronger than those out of fear or powerposession. They give light, and attrackt good angels and elementals. They can free fesseled souls.

The 8th sphere you are asking about, is as I have perceived something the fallen elementals and some fallen angels, mostly of the arimanic type, are busy to create; they make their own planet. They come from different sublitteral spheres, but are not equal to it. It consists of fallen consciousness forces, so electricity, electromagnetism and nuclear force, and is condensening itself more and more. We connect with it and feed it when we use these forces (the internet being is for instance from this sphere; a counter-exusiai). But I think as well that we need to connect to it and etrherise it, turn it over in the esotheric Christian way, so that the beings in it, may continue to be part of the overall development. We can learn from them in technical sense, they can learn from us sopul power and love, so that they acquire freedom. I once sang a song for ufo beings at Lake Tahoe, California/Nevada, and experienced that those ufo beings were being taken up into the evolution again because there appeared many colours in the atmosphere (which was before just blue; it was in the middle of winter). And I felt I did them a great pleasure, even though they didnot like it at that time. I do not think this is the same as hell, for that is the kama loka, the sphere of desire one has creasted by himself, and the astral beings they bring forth, one may enter after death. This 8th sphere is expressed in many hollywoodfilms, such as the Matrix; no colour (soul), just thrives and ideals (will and thoughts, consciousness), and nature in its beauty and joy being expelled; just as Ahriman desires the Earth to become; the result of the spiritual kingdom on the Earth, as he tries to inspire us. For instance: to live on in clones, one needs the youth forces of kids, and hence many kids disappear in the US. There you see a part of this hell world being created on the Earth: it is being created by some humans, in order to live on in beauty just for themselves.
NDJ

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DRUID:
I agree with you, except that I believe that The Powers That Be would have
> reasons to use nukes (under asuras deadly intuitions). For example, Israel
> govt is already poisoning the nest nearby its own people by nuking Lebanon
> last summer (by the way, the father of a friend of mine made an astrological
> chart of the creation of the Lebanon State and the graphic was identical to
> the star of David!). Most important to them seems to be the ethnocide of
> arabs and muslims but also Jews, even if it sounds illogical. Israel govt
> controllers are not in Israel. I think one of the goals to reunite Jews in
> Israel was to start a war inside the semitic peoples, arab-muslim and
> jewish, that would culminate in the destruction of both (or most of both)
> peoples population.
Druid

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NDJ:
it is even worse with secret Jewish organisations (I mean not the Jewish themselves, but these hidden organisations). They have stimulated Hitler to do his holocaust thing, and betrayed many Jews in the ghetto, that had confidence in their organisations. The reason behind this, is that they expect Ahriman to be born in their race; the orthodox ones with the black caps (indicating the ahrimanic inspiration). And since WW II they can scream at each insult in the direction of the Jews as being antisemitic, making free the way for their hidden purposes. Many of these reincarnate over and over in the Jewish race, enclosing the spirit man forces which haven been laid in it because of the preparation of the most perfect human body, to be able to carry Christ (you can see how these forces get free, when a Jew turns to Christianity; he or his children have talents to become a genius of some kind then). They await in this way the antichrist.
Nowadays, many ex-nazis are incarnated as well in the Jewish race, and those now keep up the wall around the Palestine regions. I was there in my twenties, working in a kibbutz, and mit with both ypoung Jews and Palestinians a large wish for peace, but this voice was put down, and instead the young soldiers in the streets of Old Jerusalem were being shown on the news.
Around the Golgotha place have been placed all kinds of black occult sculptures, to put a spell on it.
I hope one day to do landscape healing work there, but need to await the time to that.
But still, how dreadfull this may seem, and how strong the hidden wish is to make a very big new Israel, the human/Christian forces for the good will keep up going the growth of consciousness. It is very hard to break down the human feelig for justice. And in that region, I believe the king of Jordan can do a great work, balancing both Jews, Muslems and Christians.
But we live in a dynamic time. Even at moment there aree 5 planets almost conjunct in Scorpio; I hope we have enough consciousness to not let the beast burst out right now.

Mount Temple: http://www.abidemiracles.com/555701.htm

Druid
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What De Jong told me about Nazis reincarnating in Jewish families.

NDJ:
many nazis had Jew hatred because they felt unconsciously the had to reincarnate the next time in that race. And as the Grmans did all kinds of occult stuff, their not-well intiation put their forefeeling into hatred against the Jews.
And second, at moment is everyone who past through the 1st and 2nd WW back on the Earth. This because it is such an important point in human development: the main question is, whether we want to go on to become angels, or we want to stay 'human', and slowly implode and degenerate to the white beast, running after his throves (and running after Ahri). There are no more that 6 billion human souls; the spiritual world is quite empty. This independant from the life we have lived before. It is an exception in mankind's development.

About the sculptures on and near Golgotha: a friend of De Jong went there 3 years ago, and he showed him pictures of iron sculptures with, for instance, pentagrams turned upside down (the Sorat sign), and others show weird freemasonic inscriptions ; he did not go into decrypting them. Maybe you'll find something about it on David Icke's website. He does investigations to these phenomena. This friend told De Jong he met a Jew, living in US, that did investigations to this, and therefore had to flee to Israel. He sais there was a kind of foretelling, pointing at these sculptures. The finer essence De Jong does not know.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/satan's%20fake%20apocalypse.htm

Christian Baptist Documentary on Israel 'Harlot of Revelation'.

The Other Israel. 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 4881054584

Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 5038533779

Why the Mid-East Bleeds,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 0545252588

Zionism and Christianity: Unholy Alliance,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 8748081072