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Right, SeventhSojourn, we've been duped.  And yeah, I'll emphasize the fact that the procedure can easily be done later in life if the child chooses, but reversing the procedure is very difficult. 

As far as hygiene as an excuse goes, that's not even an issue until puberty, as I understand that the foreskin is stuck firmly to the glans until then.

Have we even mentioned the surgeries that go very horribly wrong?  Even though it doesn't happen very often, terrible disfigurement can and does occur. 

I'm sorry to hear that you feel disfigured, Free.  One of the guys on another forum I post on is very angry that he was circumsized.  His biggest complaint is painful ejaculation.  That's how I happen to know about the restoration process... he described it and how it's working for him.  I wish you the best in your struggle with this.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great and would suffice.  ~Robert Frost

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t parasites t b wrote:

welcome to da camp loosh cow

your pain and suffering were designed to give a fix to the addiction

Is it any wonder WE’re Burning This Distortion From Existence

The idiots were, and are, totally incapable if detecting the Entrance of:

The Family Of Light

As the NOOSPHERE Codes Fire, the parasitic factor will not only be removed from probability, it will be removed from possibility:

As If It NEVER Existed

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18 (edited by Free_Your_Mind 2006-09-13 00:39:52)

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Yes Aquarius, a lot of children even die from choking on their own vomit. When they are training graduates, they let them at it and the results are very far from pretty.

Hygeine isn't an issue at all really, native people have been known to just cleanse with spit, probably while crankin' one out! It's the illusion of "unclean". Is there really anything "clean" on this earth?

It's an interesting subject covered in the book "Media Sexploitation - The Hidden Implants in America's Mass Media", and how we have been programmed to be clean, think clean, and only buy "clean". I would assume mostly for the industry that makes these "clean" products. (and their not as clean as you think) Odor sprays block ol'factory sensors, not clean the air, etc.

But the funny thing is, the foreskin is not only part of the immune system, it keeps all that dirt OUT!

There is nothing to gain from circumcision, and everything to lose...

PS I have the e-book of Media Sexploitation, how the media has shaped previous generations of Americans into their current mode of thinking, if anyone is interested.

19 (edited by lyra 2006-09-13 04:29:12)

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Aquarius wrote:

Have we even mentioned the surgeries that go very horribly wrong?  Even though it doesn't happen very often, terrible disfigurement can and does occur.

There's a book I read through a few years ago at the bookstore called "As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who was Raised as a Girl" regarding a botched circumcision that resulted in the baby having his entire penis fried off.  He had a twin brother, and the decision was made to raise him as a girl. So instead of twin boys, it was now twin boy and "girl."  The science/medical establishment jumped all over this, because they saw it as the opportunity to have the perfect controlled testing grounds for gender experimentation.  They wanted to see what happens when you take a boy and basically pound it into his mind that "YOU ARE A GIRL!" and try to raise him as such.   Will he take to the programming?   Is gender hard wired into our brains, or can it be learned?  (yes, I know....duh.....but you know how "THEY" are......"Wait...you mean, there's another life out there that we can ruin???!   YES!   mmmmmwaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!"

http://www.amazon.com/As-Nature-Made-Hi … mp;s=books


Free Your Mind wrote:

I can't be the only one who can connect the dots between Erectile Dysfunction in USA and circumcision? It's a big business with all that Levitra, Viagra, Cialis, etc etc. As one person said, it helps with the hydraulics, but nothing for the sexual pleasure.

That is interesting.    Thanks for connecting the dots on that one, it's something that I for one would never have even thought of.  Good work.


Free Your Mind wrote:

PS I have the e-book of Media Sexploitation, how the media has shaped previous generations of Americans into their current mode of thinking, if anyone is interested.

I'd like to read it, since you offered.  Can you send it to scorpio948@yahoo.com ?  Thanks!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Yes, I think they made that story into a documentary, lyra. Unsure, but I've seen this documentary on discovery health or HBO, unsure, but just reading your last post, that documentary came back into my head. It was heartbreaking watching just seeing the utter confusion this guy was going through. When he was growing up, he NATURALLY chose to play with other boys, his speech, built and his ways were masculine compare to the other little girls, yet was wearing skirts. When he started puberty, he had to take hormone pills and INSTINCTIVELY did not want to and made no sense for him to take them.  In college, he was naturally attracted to girls and always had this nagging feeling and thought something was up until he found out. I couldn't believe it. I seriously hope he's doing fine.

I never made the connection between ED and circumcision. Very interesting. Is that what the medical community hiding? I wouldn't be surprised. No, sir.

I've had cousins who have gotten circumsized much later in life around the ages of 5-13 y/o. My family are secular muslims, not religious but still do some of the rituals that their religion says they must do. Though I didn't actually see the procedure done, I saw them afterwards and they looked traumatized, maybe due to not enough anethesia or most likely something deep rooted that was taken upon their will. Even when I was younger, I just felt horrible for them and couldn't understand it to as WHY must we do this? My family would say "it's very clean". But think about it, these rituals originated thousands of years ago with the Jews, then with the Muslims. I assume people were pretty dirty in comparsions to today. I know they don't take a minimum of one shower a day like me and many others do these days. So I guess they cut it off to avoid cleaning anything else, more like laziness?

"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
– Carlos Castaneda

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proto wrote:

I know they don't take a minimum of one shower a day like me and many others do these days. So I guess they cut it off to avoid cleaning anything else, more like laziness?

As I recall, this ritual was part of the covenant between god and the jewish people.  Now, considering what we suspect about what REALLY went on back then, even , it's pretty clear it's a blood sacrifice, but it was also used as a marker to show they belonged to YWH.  There were other cultures where the blood of the penis was actually let in ritual,  so circumsicion replaces that. 

Perhaps the Annunaki or whatever alien intervention was here needed the foreskins for their dastardly plots, such as extracting our DNA. I'm sure it wasn't in humanity's best interest.

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proto wrote:

In college, he was naturally attracted to girls and always had this nagging feeling and thought something was up until he found out. I couldn't believe it. I seriously hope he's doing fine.

No, he (David) found out before college.  He learned the truth by the time he was in highschool, and went back to being the male that he was supposed to be.  There are photos in the book showing him as a male in his late teens.  He later married a woman who already had children.  Unfortunately, I just read that he committed suicide in May of 2004.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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The whole story of David, including his eventual suicide due to depression, is a real lesson for all of us. The John Hopkins psychologist, who was behind the experiment, was an egotistical bully who treated the whole family like they were lab rats. For me, the lesson has been that doctors are great at pretending to know all of the answers, but, all to often, are just going through the motions. I have discovered the joy of telling doctors, "No, I am not going to do what you want me to do." The look on their face is priceless.

WizardT

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lyra wrote:
proto wrote:

In college, he was naturally attracted to girls and always had this nagging feeling and thought something was up until he found out. I couldn't believe it. I seriously hope he's doing fine.

No, he (David) found out before college.  He learned the truth by the time he was in highschool, and went back to being the male that he was supposed to be.  There are photos in the book showing him as a male in his late teens.  He later married a woman who already had children.  Unfortunately, I just read that he committed suicide in May of 2004.

Ahh, that's right, you're right now that I come to remember it. I think I re-worded it wrong. I think what I meant to say was he dated girls around college time and came fully into being who he really was (a male). I think I saw that documentary around 2002-2003, which was a while ago, so it's a little blurry in my head. But wow, it is unfortunate that he committed suicide. Still a strong individual/soul in my opinion.

"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
– Carlos Castaneda

25 (edited by Barefoot Doc 2006-09-13 10:33:16)

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Thanks LM for providing some solutions. I would also recommend certain flower essences that i and many others have found can have profound healing for deep trauma and mental/psyhcic wounds. Consider these for babies and young children who cannot do the mental work or alongside the spiritual healing work.
Flower essences are considered among homeopaths and other energy healers to carry the highest frequency healing vibrations  suppplied by nature. 


This combination i feel would help  and  comes from the Australian Bush Flower essences range.

Fringe Violet...for healing the aura damaged by trauma just take a look at at photo of this plant, its amazing and you can clearly see the doctrine of signarures at work here.

Angelsword....Works in conjunction with fringe violet in ridding the aura of negative energies

Billy Goat Plum...for the disgust about your own body or what has been done to you akin to a how rape victim may feel.
http://www.ausflowers.com.au/shop/scdpr … sp?catid=1

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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This is a fascinating thread.  Thanks for that link Barefoot Doc.  The AusFlowers resource is especially handy since they have distributors from all around the world so one can greatly save on shipping.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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hey gang,

just wanted to share some info about who else is getting circumsized in the world - my background is part iranian - and i was cut - and so are a lot of my iranian friends ... i'm guessing there other groups in the middle east and asia that get this done as well ...

i wonder when this practise first started ??

human being comes into world as it is - should be fine the way it is - i wonder what got people started on the idea that males need to get circumsized ?? i've heard that it was done as a means of preventing infection ??? ... not exactly sure how that would work, but ya - curious thing indeed ...

it's so good when we start questioning tradition - soooOoOO good !

... checking out the mirror of relationship ...

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The idea of Alien influence for the ritual resonates well with me, because the "Gods" these people worshipped were anything but. Yes, Gods as in plural, more then one, which is why YWH would "need a mark of servitude" in the first place, if there was only ONE god to worship, why the hell would he need a physical mark to identify his followers?

And why would he demand worship to only HIM, as if there was already more then one God around. I'm sure you guys can understand what I'm suggesting, most of the people surrounding me can't think in abstract ideas outside of programmed cliche's.

There is a book "Sex as Nature Intended It" about how the removal of the foreskin increases the pain women feel during intercourse, among many other things. I have not read it, but the function of the foreskin is beneficial for both during sex.

One experiment I just read about, used a computer operated penetration device to measure the required force to penetrate with a foreskin and without, and the force required was increased 10 fold without a foreskin!

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The way I've heard things was that circumcision wasn't really added to the Hebrew (can't call it Jewish at that point because the nation of Judah/Israel hadn't been established yet) religious practice until after Moses. Circumcision was a practice of the Egyptian royal family, which Moses was raised in. Perhaps Moses made up the Abrahamic covenent while he was up on that mountain in order to have "his people" imitate the egyptian royalty.  It would not suprise me, as back in the 16th century a Jewish philosopher convinced some portion of Jews that if one wants to be important, one must dress important.  Thus the reason that Hassidic Jews are still wearing the fashions of 16th century Polish royalty today. Ack, tangent.

  But the Tanakh (first five books of the Torah) was supposedly written by Moses on Sinai. It's difficult to verify this, as the Jewish teachers and priesthood had a "codification session" during the Babylonian Exhile much as Christianity had its doctrinal codification at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.  So the earliest that circumcision can be claimed without a doubt as a Jewish/Hebrew tradition is after Moses borrowed it from the Egyptians.

30 (edited by visavis 2006-09-13 15:41:41)

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Celephais wrote:

Circumcision was a practice of the Egyptian royal family, which Moses was raised in.

Aha.  Adds credibility to Moses=Ahkenaten.

disclaimer: I'm not convinced of all of Michael Tsarion's claims...

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti