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I know depression Capitan. It came upon me in my early teens, although at the time I didn't know I had it. I suffered from it for many years, silently, often dreading going to bed at night because it meant waking up to a reality that felt alien to me in the way it seemed to make me wrong. ![]()
Trying to think my way out of it, like you, only seemed to make it worse. Inaction made it worse.
What worked for me were:
Dancing: - putting on music and moving my body to different rythms - that expressed every type of feeling/state of being possible. I went in my room and really got out of my head and just into my body - moving to the beat. (Five Rhythms by Gabriella Roth was one that was brilliant, because it has on it lots of different rythms and was made for body movement)
Walking: - Again movement. (Like Pictus and Feritciva) Energy can't be created nor destroyed. Changing stuck emotional energy by moving is a great way to change depression (which is stuck emotions) into flowing energy again. Sometimes, I'd walk / think / and emote as I walked. And even though I started off literally having to drag myself out of the door with lethargy, I'd come bouncing in again
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Lying on the bed and listening to my inner vulnerable being - the one that was stuck inside a cage my mind had created rather than feel the powerful emotions my inner being wanted to express. Talking to that part of me that was in there, like a little girl, and encouraging her to talk/emote back. (A psychologist would probably have a field day, but hey, it worked for me
). Then talking to the Universe and telling It how I felt, and that I wanted to feel joyful again, but didn't know how and waited for it to 'talk' back. It never used words, but after I'd fallen into my emotions, felt them and felt my vulnerability - once I'd come out of that ivory tower place that Stuart Wilde talks about - then I'd feel the Universe (my Higher Self) putting Its arms around me and loving me, accepting me.

Watching a (decent) comedy movie. You can't hold onto depression, anger, or any of that stuff, when you're laughing. But its got to be a movie that is good enough to make you smile through your pain! Or Robin Williams in concert, or Eddie Murphy - whatever works for you.
Chocolate - seriously! Its got all of those things in it that make you feel loved ![]()
Phoning a friend - I made a handful of true friends when I was on my own and began to reach out to other people that I trusted. Each of those people are still my good friends now.
Meditation - but the chanting type, rather than the introspective type, as too many thoughts had got me depressed in the first place!
Capitan -
You gotta play the game to find out why you're playing the game.
That's so true. I spent many years searching the wilderness, so to speak, travelling, meditating, desparately seeking my purpose here. But I found more of that purpose as I got on with daily life and treating it as my learning ground (you have to work with what you've got - it's all you've got really
) . You see, I realised that I wouldn't find it anywhere else - apart from me. Because it had to be in me. And if I couldn't see it, then I'd wait to discover it. I'd get on with boring mundane bloomin' existence until I found it.
So I worked, made friends, got married, talked to the Universe, had a baby, went around semi-asleep for several years, worked some more .... and all the time I waited, watched myself, got to know myself, learned what I liked and didn't like. Listened to my self-talk and changed the negatives into positives, passed on what I found out worked to my friends .... and eventually discovered that to a greater or lesser extent I AM my life's purpose.
And so are you. In the way you meet and greet life. In what you discover about yourself. In how you choose to respond to life. The power you take into your own hands every time you choose how you will respond - rather than react to what life throws at you. You learn to play poker in the great poker game of existence, and you learn - after losing a few hands - how to play even a lousy pair of 10s - well!
And maybe you write a blog, and express your stuff for your own inner health, but along the way someone else reads it and they take something from it that gives them strength.
Capitan, its a bit like being a pebble that someone has chucked into a pool. You create ripples. But you can't see the ripples, because you're falling to the bottom of the pool. All you know is that the water was a bit murky on the way down and now you've got sand in your teeth. You can't see the ripples you made. But others will. The ones that matter.
We're all connected.
Thanks Capitan for your thread. Because in writing this, you've helped me get into my heart space, and that feels good.
Keep on going, you'll make it ![]()
Love ya!
Cipher
PS - wow Titmouse_, what a powerful story. Thank you for sharing that.
Cipher
One of the problems that I am dealing with here is that I have mood swings. For instance I am in a good mood right now and was in a decent mood when I first wrote this. I was planning for the inevitable down time. Because I knew it was coming I was looking for some sort of crutch to get me through. Cipher, the things that you mention are very helpful, as I was looking for some sort of crutch to get me through these inevitable down times until I develope or understand the strength I need to get through these times on my own.
One of the problems that I am dealing with here is that I have mood swings. For instance I am in a good mood right now and was in a decent mood when I first wrote this. I was planning for the inevitable down time. Because I knew it was coming I was looking for some sort of crutch to get me through. Cipher, the things that you mention are very helpful, as I was looking for some sort of crutch to get me through these inevitable down times until I develope or understand the strength I need to get through these times on my own.
Good to be of service Capitan ![]()
What I do when I am in a good frame of mind is to strengthen my inner Self - that part of me that knows who I am, that IS love and is unphased - in fact, accepting - of life (good, bad or irrelevant).
How do I do it?
Before I had a child, I used to meditate - as I had the luxury of a lot of spare time that I could do with as I chose.
Post-child(!), I don't spend so much time in traditional meditation, but spend as many times during the day in relationship with my Higher Self. When I say that, I mean (mentally/hearfeltedly) talking to my Higher Self, as if it were my best friend - about everything. And as with my friends, I spend time listening. Most of the time I get a good feeling inside, or warmth in my chakras. That's my way of feeling it.
I have found that the more time I spend focusing on my HS, the more intuitive I get in useful, day to day ways. The more I feel sure of myself, in an inner, "its okay" way, rather than an egotistical "I'm right/you're wrong" way.
I interact daily in a quiet, trusting way with my Higher Self, and am as a result, also trusting my own inner perceptions and inner 'truth' as being right for me.
In that way, it strengthens me for the (occasional nowadays) times when I do feel depression coming on or that soul seeking desparation that comes from losing one's way.
One thing I make sure I do if I feel depression starting to sit on me like a heavy wet blanket, is to immediately tell my partner. Because depression happens when I start keeping my fears inside. So reaching out and communicating "I'm feeling like depression is setting in" is a way of actually stopping it in its tracks. Its like shining a light on the darkness, really does dissipate it. It can't rule me silently if I talk about it. ![]()
You'll find your own way of strengthening your inner self, so that your inner light becomes so bright the darkness can't take hold any more.
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One of the problems that I am dealing with here is that I have mood swings. For instance I am in a good mood right now and was in a decent mood when I first wrote this. I was planning for the inevitable down time. Because I knew it was coming I was looking for some sort of crutch to get me through. Cipher, the things that you mention are very helpful, as I was looking for some sort of crutch to get me through these inevitable down times until I develope or understand the strength I need to get through these times on my own.
Capitan,
There are many things that you can investigate that would provide you with a "crutch" through these times. Pharmaceutical interventions are one option, as well as several alternative medical approaches, such as 5-HTP or homeopathy, for example. If you are feeling suicidal, or are unable to perform the basic functions necessary to maintain your life, you might want to consider a more chemical approach to the situation.
Yet, always remember that the crutch simply buys you more time, it doesn't solve the problem. Not saying that more time is a bad thing. I used to have seasonal depression, usually around the solstices, when duality was most obvious to me.
One the one hand there is the sometimes reckless frivolity of summer. . . hey, it's summer! Do whatever you want! Just have fun! Well having fun is great, but sometimes it is used as an escape from the everyday issues of life. And those issues don't go away when you ignore them, they in fact grow, all the while robbing you of what could have been a true vacation.
On the other hand there is the "holiday" season. People spending money they don't have. Pretending to be happy, when secretly you are miserable. Having to spend time with "family" but in reality dreading another visit with Aunt Martha.
Not to sound like that's all that goes on during these times, but there is a lot of it, and if you are a sensitive person, you may find that a great deal of your depression results from taking on other people's feelings which are not your own. It may sound redundant, but sometimes other people's feelings are your own. There are, after all, only a handful of feelings that most people experience.
But in the end, so what if you are depressed? Big deal. Whoever said you have to be happy all the time, anyway? Who is to say that you won't be sitting around in your underwear watching soaps one day when you finally realize the divine hilariousness of your own condition, and hence the cure to depression?
Your job isn't to have all the answers, but simply to ask some interesting questions.
Laugh. Make funny faces at yourself until you can't help but giggle. Be completely absurd.
That's the best advice I can give you. Best wishes.
Have You tried Flax seed oil Capitan? It works great for deppression and mood swings.
Capitan, I have felt much the same way as you do. Particularly after discovering "the truth" about our world through David Icke and websites like Montalk's, I felt a lot of fear, hopelessness, and pointlessness. Everything I thought I knew had been turned upside down. I wished I'd never found out any of it, I wanted to crawl back into the safe world of darkness and ignorance. I wanted to go back to sleep!
I still feel like that in a way, but to a lesser degree now. I'm not suicidal but I do see the futility in pretty much everything. I'm in my final year at school and potentially have a "successful future" ahead of me (according to society's view of success, which naturally involves wealth and superficial achievements - things that mean nothing to me), but in fact I'm thinking of giving it all up right now. For one thing, I find the formal education system stifling - it's too rigid, and there's little room for independent thought. Instead you're told what you need to know for the exams and then you learn it mechanically. Additionally, I've found the majority of what I learn at school to be irrelevant or totally useless in real life.
It's not just school that I don't like, it's where it leads to. University is not looking too appealing, and I know that ultimately I'll end up doing a job I don't really enjoy, serving a system that I fundamentally disagree with, and losing my soul in the process. I couldn't care less about being rich - I only buy what is absolutely essential for my survival. The trouble is, my parents are laying all their hopes on me becoming wealthy, successful etc. and I know that if I dropped out at this stage, they would disown me completely (they spent a lot of money on my education). I feel torn.
Has anyone had a similar dilemma, and/or could you offer me some guidance? This may not be exactly on-topic, but I thought it had some relevance to the thread.
P.S. Capitan, are you familiar with "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle? It's all about disconnecting from your mind and the destructive thought processes that it creates. It literally teaches you to stop thinking. The quote, "If you're confused stop thinking", posted above, made me think of it.
Daisy: I haven't read to many books by anyone. I mostly read things I find on the internet. Along the lines of you saying that you see the futility in the future, I think you might be on the same wavelength as me with the background you are describing. I have been thinking that because I don't really care about money, I only need enough to live that I should follow what I feel right. Throw out my education and corporate job. I have already paid back my debts and have a substantial savings now. I only need two things and I think I will be off, a better sense of direction, and the guts to do it. The main thing holding me back is my fear and depression. Thats why I need a crutch to get through these things until I can develope the inner strength to make it through the tough times with will alone. I am lucky in that my parents would not disown me if I followed my ambition, and I have very few others that I worry about their opinion of me.
I have felt many times that I would like to go back to ignorance of the truth, but I know it's not true. Just like in the matrix movies when cipher says the matrix is better then life outside of it.
Lastly one thing you can be assured of is you won't lose your soul participating in the matrix. That is the one thing that is yours to keep, and if nothing else the Matrix, or reality is a good learning expereince, although often depressing and unenjoyable.
Thanks for the input.
In that case I really recommend that you read "The Power of Now". It might help you let go of your fear and depression. I feel so much better when I follow the principles in that book ![]()
Hi Capitan,
While there is hope you have no choice but to carry on, look for the answers. And you cannot say 'there is no hope', because if you did you would know all the answers - and you don't.
Depression comes about because you think a situation is hopeless and, if it were hopeless, you would know all the answers. But I'm sure you will agree that you don't have all the answers, so the situation is not hopeless.
Soldier on, mon Capitan!
It 's true, Ekhart Tolle has written and made dvds that are inspiring and very very clear.
Looking for answers is the typical way to put it...i would say if you can form the QUESTIONS you will be much closer to understanding Self and finding the source of inner energy, sense of purpose.
There really is no definite purpose but to be free and enjoy this gift of life in awareness. Each finds a way to use their talents and share same in clarity, inner resolution.
"The search" is often a trade in ideas and identification with same that is energizing to those who think they have found "it", but the truth is so simple, is beyond the energy/direction of the brain, has no concrete definition, simply "IS". WHen the brain begins to quiet by looking and watching attentively the smoke begins to clear. The answer is in the question... in silent listening, truth is revealed.
Great thread. I have suffered with depression for years. I don't know if it's genetic or disillusionment with the ratrace or both. I am in too deep to walk out on everything, financially. Kids I'd like to send to college hopefully. I find solace in reading Eckhart Tolle and Advaita, going to satsangs when I can. The mind is not my friend.
capitan,
what is the point? i don't think that there is one, not in a grand all-encompassing sense.
you have to come up with one for your self. a friend of mine one day decided to start making bicycle accessories (chain guards, messenger bags, etc.) because he didn't feel that bikers were getting what they really wanted. so he took it upon himself to create bags people want, custom made to whatever specs you want (his site by the way is chicagowig.com).
anyway, my point is that it's all up to you. if you don't want to do anything right now, don't. but sooner or later you will either have to; if you don't shower, you stink and alienate people who think cleanliness is good. if you don't eat, you wither away and die (then what? you might have to come back and start all over again).
i hear you, man. i tried the hermit thing, reading a lot, messing around online for hours reading about conspiracy theories and government plots and aliens , drugging, drinking, empty sexual encounters, complaining to my friends that there is no point...it was a sad and boring existence i led, especially since i was 29 and living in my parents' basement.
the world has no room or use for depressed people. i used to think that the depressed were spiritually...something; misplaced angels or something like that. that they were necessary to create art and such. the world has no room for art anymore, art is just a marketable commodity, and anything can be art.
it's up to you, whether you want to do nothing or not. it's your choice whether you want to be depressed or not (please, anti-depressant advocates don't email me or respond, i realize that some people are chemically unbalanced and they help).
just getting up and taking a walk will help.
anyway.
today, i decided to get up and make breakfast and coffee for my self. at least nourish my body, eating is good for depression; just don't overdo it, unless gluttony appeals to you.
i decided to not care about aliens and allah and ghosts and ufos and buddha and demons and jesus and the devil and magic and good and evil and conspiracies. if they exist, great. that means that the world just got more interesting; bring them on and bring back the wonder and let's move forward. if not, then shut up and lets move on from what keeps us from progressing, like war and such.
do what you want, or to quote "do what thou wilt".
try not to harm others while doing it, and remember that your actions have consequences. i'm not talking about a day of judgement or eternal damnation, just simple "cause and effect".
if you don't know what to do now, you will.
maybe it will come to you in a dream or a lucid waking moment.
keep looking.
-tengberg
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