Re: The U.S. vs. John Lennon

People's faces change as they age too.  He looks like the same person, just a little aged, thats all. I think John was taken out because of what he "might" do. He was very influential with the public.  TPTB want to keep people on the edge, ready to fight. John was all about peace (as corny as that sounds) and harmony. He could have have been a BIG wrench in the works for their plans. Who knows, maybe he did know something he wasnt supposed to.

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

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I don't see how you could think that the picture on right isn't the real John. It was taken with a different camera, a different angle, he's wearing glasses, has longer sideburns, a different hair style, and looks a bit older. Take a picture of yourself now, and then a few years from now, take one with a different camera, with a different angle, wearing glasses, have longer sideburns, and a different hair style. It's called change. Ch-Ch-Changes!

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

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Lennon like most of the 'British Invasion' were filled with willing drones. I , like most American kids of the sixties and seventies hung on his every word. He had become a renegade drone and was a significant problem for tptb. All charismatic leaders such as King, JFK and RFK were extinguished. Lennon posed the greatest threat. He was an artist whose only real tie in was to Tavistock. The social engineering wing of MI-6.
I remember being in college when a classmate , Fred Koosmar, who routinely had his head down on his desk recovering from whatever overindulgence he had fought through the night before looked up and said,"The Dead are a front for the CIA" in response to a discussion he was overhearing....."ok Captain Loopy", I said "any other nuggets of wisdom you might want to share?"...."Yeah, Lennon better stfu or he's dead". We laughed out loud and although I liked Fred I thought the cyllosibin had taken it's toll. That was September of 79'. Shortly thereafter, I never laughed at Fred again!

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand

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John Lennon interviews on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q … rch=Search

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Hermit Brad wrote:

Take a picture of yourself now, and then a few years from now, take one with a different camera, with a different angle, wearing glasses, have longer sideburns, and a different hair style. It's called change. Ch-Ch-Changes!

I have, with all the conditions you stated (minus the sideburns, as I'm female) and everything still matches.

Eye distance, head shape, jaw length, head shape and overall bone structure do not change, regardless of aging, weight gain/loss, or hairstyle differences.  But facial hair CAN help cover up telltale differences in bone structure, or disguise prosthetic attachments.

Funny you should mention the song Changes...it's about Paul McCartney's replacement
(and btw, Ziggy Stardust = James Paul McCartney)

Every time I thought I'd got it made
It seemed the taste was not so sweet
So I turned myself to face me
But I've never caught a glimpse
Of how the others must see the faker
I'm much too fast to take that test

Just gonna have to be a different man...

"Faul" has impersonated at least 6 different people, and my guess is he's something like a Monarch slave, programmed to have alters that can switch on command to assume different identities.

36 (edited by lyra 2006-11-06 12:51:54)

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Athenais wrote:

I have, with all the conditions you stated (minus the sideburns, as I'm female) and everything still matches.

Eye distance, head shape, jaw length, head shape and overall bone structure do not change, regardless of aging, weight gain/loss, or hairstyle differences.  But facial hair CAN help cover up telltale differences in bone structure, or disguise prosthetic attachments.

Sorry, all pics I've ever seen of John Lennon, young and old, match up.  I can't for the life of me figure out where you're getting this from.  I did say I wasn't interested in a back and forth, yet I would be curious to see some compelling evidence.   More than just the two pics you've offered up, with the one on the right definitely looking like John Lennon, despite your claims that it's the fake.   

Athenais wrote:

John had a double, as did the other Beatles.

Athenais wrote:

the song Changes...it's about Paul McCartney's replacement

Athenais wrote:

(and btw, Ziggy Stardust = James Paul McCartney)

Athenais wrote:

"Faul" has impersonated at least 6 different people.....

Source please.  Since arriving here you've made claims without citing any references whatsover.   Books?  Websites?  Personal experience?  Proof?   Something?  Anything?

Anybody here can run around on the internet making up wild claims about anybody, but sooner or later somebody's going to want to know where that information is coming from.

It's a pet peeve of mine, when people arrive here and start tossing off claims and talking in absolutes, without even an "in my opinion" or "personal intuition."  At least that would be saying where the information is coming from, leaving it up to the reader to decide whether to consider the theory.   But to just speak so assuredly, without offering ANY supporting evidence or source for the information is not good.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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My sources are varied, and I would not ask anyone to believe me without question.  All claims ultimately need to be verified by personal research. 

For more information, please see this forum:

http://60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi

It is building on more than 3 years of research and documentation.  It would take a lot of time to do a summing up of the evidence here, but I will try to answer questions the best I can (and maybe we would need another thread for this)  What in particular would you like to know more about?

I apologize if my certainty offends you lyra, no harm is intended.

38 (edited by lyra 2006-11-06 13:54:58)

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Athenais wrote:

What in particular would you like to know more about?

It wasn't so much what I wanted to know more about, but rather, just where are you getting your information from in general.  In the world, and especially internet land, lots of claims are made about a lot of people and situations...some sort of source is always nice for how people come to their conclusions, even if it's only "psychic vision" or "intuition" or something that their best friend's cousin's boyfriend told them.  wink  Knowing where information comes from gives a more complete picture on the theory and can help the reader better decide whether there's validity to it or not.


Athenais wrote:

I apologize if my certainty offends you lyra, no harm is intended.

No need to apologize...and I was definitely not offended.  It's not like that at all.  It was just wanting to know where the info. is coming from.  It's happened several times now on NR, where somebody shows up speaking in absolutes about some topic, but not offering up any sort of source or reason for where the information/theory is coming from.   So, thanks for offering up the other message board forum that contains more information and research.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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A theory: I read somewhere that in the latter half of the 20th century the darkside began to overstep the lines drawn against their manipulation of humans and events. I'm presuming that this means particularly the interference with free will, and the patterns of events unfolding as humans exercise their free will.

When JFK was assassinated, many people felt as I did--that something REALLY BAD had happened.  My theory is that, in desperation as the Shift is approaching, the reptilians and their servants began to unlawfully take out key players in the pattern of the future, which the reps can see. I say "unlawfully" because even with the abductions happening, there is some pretense at lawfulness with the agreements between governments and the reps. ("Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.") Had JFK lived, and John Lennon, and RFK, and MLK, and maybe Malcolm X, too, they all would have presented a formidable force against what is going on in our world and particularly the usa now.  I believe all of them were killed before it was their time to go, and this is why their deaths were, and are, so profoundly disturbing to anyone with a spark of soul left.

Peace, wynderer

"There is ALWAYS hope."
Aragorn

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We can't let a Lennon thread die....now can we? Here's a great piece on Lennon with some very interesting angles.


http://ben-fairhall.blogspot.com/2006/1 … y-sky.html

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand

41 (edited by zenden 2007-02-17 11:29:36)

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My dear ShineOn.  OH MY GOD.  and, i had to get out the mop.  and start cleaning and "analogging" and almost croaked when u showed this website.  im in utter belief/and utter disbelief at the same time.  i cannot fathom how i have not seen this website/blog until now.  the gratitude i have for this is unreal.  it has almost all my cross-pollinated hypotheses in here.  and i went on and read and have bookmarked it, as it draws into so many of the deals/associations with so many of the concepts i have perused and digested, as we all have, that will lead us into/thru whats "aboard."  much of the studying i have done has lead me to this.  particularly...

.... or opened the stargate? The different terminology disguises the same experience (or being-ness) which Lennon, either quite naturally or with the help of drugs, was well acquainted with. Such exalted consciousness- which is not the same thing as sainthood- is also described in the Grail lore: indeed, it is the Holy Grail. Thus, as noted above, we are able to do much more than merely tangentially associate Lennon with this occult myth; for Lennon was bloodline, a part of the Grail Family itself. It has been said of the Grail Family that 'From the Devil they come, and to the Devil they will return'- and there was certainly much darkness in the Lennon psyche which he failed to fully master.  This, however, is a trait for which the bloodline are famed, for in them the polarities meet and are reconciled.

Isn't it this- the delightful perversity with which all bloodline are familiar- which explains Lennon's flirtation with the Dark Ones, alongside his imaginations of a world of peace and brotherly love?

the big post im gonna do comes in here and ive been researching and gathering to show it. and its got great info and will explain so much, if anyone's buying.  the new full moon happens after 12 noon today, and then tomorrow says to be a good day for occult writings/musings. so will wait, for the hell of it.  theres alot to it and im excited. it blends so much with what is/can be found.  that term 'occult' really upset my father's lawyer, when i accused him of it and flashed my mason ring at him to screw him up, when it really only means HIDDEN.  so much is revealing and coming out into play.  we have seen/felt so much be revealed.  one new breakthru i had is that i realized less than 48 hrs ago, that WE ARE the DOORWAYS.  we are the / become the exit/sidedoors.  we ARE the actual portals themselves.  WE go IN to do it.  and the OUT is IN/thru to get'er done. its a refined notion of the concept of remembering who we are and the notion of seeking.  the telomeres are firing, along with the tachyons, and we become and are doing it now, the way thru, from IN.  not even an exit nor a 'fix', as SiriArc and others have said all along.  but a transfiguration and a transmutation. and even those 2 are different concepts.  the 2 become 3 and not one.  as in 3 and not "one" and thats a key.  it does make a "new" human, as it makes a new heaven.  u gotta have one for the other.  AHA. 

apparently, that 3 idea , is big -- a big one.  and i will back that up and show.  soul and spirit, and self.  == 3  finally conjoined in the "new human" which will be automatic.  just gotta be aware and pay attention.  its what we have been doing and BE-ing all along.  as in/an en-LIGHT-en-END BE-ing.  im really gettin it.  and will show u guys, if buying.  and its very tasty and sweet and good.  and rather cheap, and simple.  i say cheap, as i can say that now, after all these years, and scars, and spiritual depression, and anger, and then laugh, cuz u gotta.   see, now it is simple.  but we had to come this far and get here. in the now to see it and re-claim it, easily.  as in "cost-effective".  thats what i mean.  we can just let go of the prices paid to see, and after all, nothing else to do whilst getting "there' as we had to 'live' anyway.  something to do on the planet...LIVE in order to SEE and FEEL.  a by-product of it, so as expected.  no problem, we made it this far.  so will read on and be so damn pleased with this.  alot is very much in GRATITUDE which is another deal, apparently quite necessary.  we can go with that, and will.  its a culmination of DNA, Blood, the sun, gnosis, sophia, mirror self, and the shadow, along with recapitulation, and of course, the meat of remembering, and allowing.  the galactic wave we hop on board with. already have.  its getting really good. 

thanks so much for that website and ppl can check out as its massively got great info. the connections and ties are phenomenal.  im very busy reading and cleaning and will get going more later.  a total thanks to u Shine.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Wow, kudos from Zenden. I'll walk with a little lighter step for the rest of the day!....I look forward to your lunar guided followup. It probably could have stood on it's own as a thread as opposed to being tacked onto this one. I just wouldn't want your further insights getting lost in an older thread. This forum is generally good for one small amazement daily and today is no exception. Thanks !

" The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it "

Ayn Rand

43 (edited by tomatochip 2007-02-27 14:37:11)

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I agree with the premise that John was 'eliminated' because of his potential. I grew up in the era of the Beatles and absorbed everything about them as individuals and their music. There was something very special about Lennon, and my own spirit felt a congruency with him from day  one. He's a natural born rebel! A healthy thing. Unlike McCartney, Lennon didn't want to play anyone else's game. (Although I think Yoko may have derailed him, but you never know what goes on between two people... I just didn't like her.) But John did have tremendous charisma and the guts to speak his mind. He was very intelligent and as evidenced in many of his songs, was way ahead of his time as a thinker. Given the huge influence that the Beatles had on a powerful generation, its not difficult to see why the PTB may have not wanted to risk what he may inspired in the culture. 'Sir' Paul McCartney on the other hand, played the game and was rewarded appropriately with his title of 'knighthood' by the queen. Mick Jagger too, interestingly. They both played the parts of the script they were handed, however contrastingly. But I see John as someone that would not play to the script of anyone. He was  just too indendent and the Truth mattered to him.

Interesting, yes, that this film comes out now. There seems to be alot of info coming out unrestrained these days. My own feeling is that there is a lot going on in the invisible world. (psychic warfare) I think the status quo is crumbling, and in its death throes, and may take the earth and its inhabitants down with it, but there something much better that will eventually arise out of it. I say, 'let it come', because the insanity of this world is harder to take with each passing day. Still, we are here for a reason. One cannot stop the evolution of consciousness. It's simply time for it to happen. I highly reccommend the reading of Michael St. Clair's phenomenal book, "The Zen of the Stars' for gaining a deeper perspective on the times we are living in. Just reading the book will change you. It has me.

"The human mind, once expanded, can never return to it's previous proportions." - albert einstein

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Here's a thought....What is it called when a scientist constructs a face starting from the skull, then adds the skin and hair to completion to find out who a person is?? Now, what if someone did the same, in reverse, digitally, with the two photos of lennon? Deconstructs the face...

~JOYce~

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Also, I have to agree with treehugger, people's faces do change,  but I wouldn't think their bone structure would change....

~JOYce~