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Re: Karma -The Lie

Mutant Mouse wrote:

Karma reeks of New Age crap that someone made up just to control others.

It doesn't make sense.  According to the theory as I understand it, you are reincarnated to repay the evil you did in your past life. 

What doesn't make any sense because

1).  Almost everyone can't remember what happened in their past life.  What would be the point of correcting mistakes I can't remember?  Wouldn't it be better for me to remember them so I can learn from them?

2).  Making mistakes is inevitable, so karma would be this neverending cycle.  You're like a ping-pong ball, bounced from Earth to the afterlife over and over.  I don't want a ping-pong ball life.

Agreed.

Rewards and punishments handed out for actions taken in previous lives has just as much validity as a non-christian being held responsible for the catholic concept of origional sin. When reduced to the base, it's nothing more than a control mechanism designed to keep the masses from looking to find their own truth, and to accept their lot - which is imposed. Please note that this is not my interpretation of what karma is.

In it's proper function, karma is something very similar to a take-responsibility-for-your-own-actions device. Looked at from another perspective, it ensures that those who are unable to assume the responsibility for their own limited perspective here will not be able to mess things up when they are granted the authority of a REAL life.

If you see what this "life" truly is, it may seem to be nothing more than a simple indicator of truth, since this life could be seen as a trial run for what you are willing do, what pressures you can resist, would prefer avoid, or will almost certainly wilt under. With this in mind, consider that there are many people who will say anything to ascend beyond this experience. With karma in play, those individuals will have to account for their actions, since they already choose them and the official record of their choice was what happened. No escape.

If someone could explain to me how further development can be achieved without the insertion of a similar system, I'm all ears.

-3G

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  • Registered: 2006-05-15

Re: Karma -The Lie

Maybe, all these people who are dying from starvation, war and disease are really teachers, showing us how their existance in such a state is a mockery of our way of life. Are you comfortable with this guilt? I know it's easy to respond "Well, I chose this life and they chose that life, so I really shouldn't be concerned with their choices...because they seem to be pretty stupid if they chose that life", but is such a cynical view one that you're actually comfortable living with? There will continue to be starving people, there will continue to be war, and there will continue to be disease as long as we do not learn from their lessons. They remind us of how ignorance clouds the mind, causing one to be apathetic, and how apathy leads to suffering. Are you comfortable living in a world of suffering, or will you try to go about and change it?
Karma is essentially lessons that we have imposed upon ourselves to not only teach ourselves, but to teach others simultaneously. While I don't agree with sacrificing yourself, one must respect those who have chosen that path, because they feel that through this method, they can teach us to become a more empathetic, a more positive, and a more unified person.

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Re: Karma -The Lie

lyra wrote:
thook wrote:

Lyra, I found your account to be so insightful as to want to post it to another forum on this same topic. Without disclosing the source, would you mind if I did this?

Well, sure, but....it's not written that well!  big_smile  I just cranked that out last night and it still doesn't accurately convey the experience, but sure, if you want to repost it, that's cool.  Higher self experiences are usually very telepathic with instantaneous info transfer, at least for me, and so it's hard to translate it into written words without losing something along the way. 

Something I didn't mention in that post was that I could feel the mindset of the people involved in what I was seeing.  Like village peasants, with that whole poverty/suffering vibe, and I could feel how they, as souls, believed that they needed to experience that....but they actually don't.   The implications of that are far reaching.  It's basically saying that "something" is tricking us into incarnating here...?   Making us believe that we "need" this, when possibly we don't???  Think of how deeply rooted it is for many people to believe that they "need" incarnational experience.   

It's quite possible "something" has given us amnesia so we won't remember what our other options are.  Like something wants us trapped here, endlessly cycling forever and ever.  A loosh farm. 

That's kind of a cynical way of looking at things though, and I could be wrong.  I think there's another piece to this puzzle, something I'm missing....

Thanks, Lyra. It was written well enough. Sometimes "off the cuff" is the most insighful...it is simple and unpretentious. It was a the broad picture thing I like about it. A complete
understanding without the need for intellectual enhancement. I've had those kind of glimpses before. Cuts through to the chase. Helps from getting lost in the nitty gritty details of what's true.

That being said, I think the amnesia is our choice to believe in the game. Nothing can be done without our consent, although a choice can be reinforced easily in a state of forgetfulness. Karma is the repercussions of that choice, or any choice. "Is this what you want? Then here ya go!" Sometimes it's not what we thought it would be....or is it? I don't remember exactly. Oops! Karma....:/

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant
  • From: A place forgotten
  • Registered: 2006-05-15

Re: Karma -The Lie

What's wrong with being a source of loosh? From having just read Robert Monroe's "Far Journeys", I think that it's our curiosity and sense of need that keeps us coming back to this existance...some spirits become completely lost in this realm, yet that's the inherent danger in coming to such a place.  And this amnesia is something we accept prior to each incarnation. Even after death, we may feel we have debts to pay, or things to experience, "karma" if you will.
So suppose our existance is nothing more than to produce loosh. You can either do this happily, or not. It's really your choice, yet there is no true "escape" from this cycle while we're here. Anyways, what's wrong with being a producer? Get over your ego, we all have a place in the etheric food-chain. Does a cow feel robbed when a farmer takes her milk? From what I understand, it's produced as a result of feeling emotions.
So in light of this, what could you do to not produce loosh, to not fit in this cycle? Don't feel emotion. It's simple as that, yet if you truly wish to do this, you will lose your humanity in the process.

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Re: Karma -The Lie

thook wrote:

That being said, I think the amnesia is our choice to believe in the game.

Yeah, that's what I've been trying to figure out, what this "amnesia" thing is all about, and what exactly is going on in regards to incarnating here over and over again.  Off topic, but it's been brought to my attention once before in a dream, but without any further explanations.  Maybe the answers will come someday....

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  • Registered: 2004-09-28

Re: Karma -The Lie

The concept of karma as some kind of spiritual indebtedness is total and complete horseshit. You'll never break the cycle and begin to spiral out of the game as long as you feel compelled to pay back some imaginary spiritual debt. If you're still stuck believing in the lie of karma, simply take a look at the way indebtedness works on planet Earth. Its all a complete crock, and its only designed to keep us in ignorance of our true selves by embracing a sense of powerlessness and victim mentality.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe
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Re: Karma -The Lie

My view is if you "reap what you sow" and you talk about the "laws of attraction" you are in general terms refering to karma.

Your view to that "indebtedness" becomes your choice.

You can "work off the debt" or you can ask for or give forgivness.
You can offer thanks or your hurt.
You can offer your blessings or your curses.
You can relase or hold on to it(whatever it is).

I think this is some of what the Toltecs (and Christian writings) talk about with making assumptions or judgements and what Buddhists talk about when refering to "attachments".

So I don't view it as a trap...that you have to Pay for it/ work it off IS the trap.

As far as from life to life reincarnation, I guess that depends on if I believe in reincarnation. If I don't I only have this life to live and if I do, I still have this life to live, so either way it is the same.

Just my thoughts

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity