Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

thr33tim3 wrote:

In their cosmology, they view the demiurge as a controlling agent of many races of negatively-oriented beings. Amitakh talks extensively about the Annunaki, and explains that they are the "chief agents of the demiurge" in this physical plane. So it is not so much a "cover" for them as the overarching controlling influence.

So then is the "chief agent" a static individual, or more like an office or position held be whoever happens to be at the top of the food chain at any given point of time?  I say this because my understanding of STS dynamics is that they are constantly fighting amongst themselves for power, and I have a hard time believing that one singular being could be so powerful as to permanently control the entirety of STS entities in the Universe.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

tenetnosce wrote:

A corollary to YCYOR says that we are here to learn "lessons" and that when something doesn't go right, it is because we still have something to learn.  Yet if this is true, then why is humanity still working on the same crusty old "lessons" for the last ten millenia?

I sense that you don't see the YCYOR concept as being valid even from the soul perspective.  Is that correct?  Can you expand on that?

I can answer your question.  Those that no longer require the lessons here are no longer here.  And if they are here in this moment of the human lesson plan then they are back to assist.  It would be like looking at middle school.  Middle school doesn't go away because a bunch of students graduated.  There are more students coming in that require middle school.  And if someone that already graduated finds themselves back in middle school then they would be tutors or teachers.

If you wish, please expand on why you think that our 5d lessons are being subverted.  As you probably already realize I don't think these entities can stop me from gaining wisdom.  However, I would like to see it from your perspective.

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

thr33tim3 wrote:

I found Amitakh's material came to me at a period when I found myself feeling extremely dissillusioned with many of the "new age" concepts I had been reading, such as Seth, Amorah Quan Yin, Barbara Marciniak and others.

Well, the material certainly functions as a diametric counterweight to the fluffy paradigms that refuse to discuss darkness, though both seem to be opposite extremes. Going from one to the other is like experiencing a damped oscillation that shoots one way past equilibrium, then the other way, then a little less the other way, then even less the other way, until in time you settle in upon a more mature understanding of things. That's my preferred method of learning which I call the "rapid prototyping" method, as opposed to the "slow and steady nudges upward toward equilibrium" that describes the more cautious and skeptical types of learners.

thr33tim3 wrote:

All along, we were meditating every day, affirming our connection to our "higher selves", aligning our intent with the highest purpose of the divine creation, releasing all negativity on all levels, cleansing our chakras, all types of "new age" meditations and visualizations that we both felt like *should* have been working but our lives just got worse and worse.

Yup, positivity without proper awareness does that. Same thing happens to fanatical religious folks who do everything "right" yet come under increasing attack from negative entities as their lives fall apart, which they ironically take as a good sign instead of realizing they have simultaneously weakened their defenses, negated their responsibilities, ignored their life script, stunted their awareness, and attracted negs trolling for an easy snack. It is not enough to be gentle as a dove. Also gotta be wise as a serpent and strong as a lion.

The New Age is riddled with misconceptions that make one vulnerable to predation, like the idea of complete nonresistance and full acceptance of one's suffering/karma, which turns one into a doormat. Amitakh pointed out this fallacy, but concluded that karma is therefore a BS concept and suffering has no purpose. Perfect example of counter-reaction being overreaction.

In truth, suffering does serve a learning purpose for times when we are too lazy or stubborn to choose a more conscious and painless way of learning a lesson. Yes, experiences repeat if you don't learn and apply the lesson. Once you finally get it and apply it, the problems clear up. When things start going downhill for me, I recognize it early on, identify what my recent imbalances have been, take steps to correct those, and then all returns to normal. I could write about these in another post. It is messy to sort out what to keep and what to throw out when things simply aren't working, and the risk is in throwing out too much. You are in a transitionary phase right now, but I guarantee you'll get things sorted out over time, and a bit more quickly with some tips from those who went through it already.

thr33tim3 wrote:

I found that Amitakh's material at xeeatwelve.com cut through a tremendous amount of the BS I was encountering in much material I was reading. I still encourage people to read it at least once. I do not at all "agree" with it or "follow" it. I read everything with an open mind and observe what seems to apply to my experiences.

She writes through her own awareness of the subject matter, not channeling it passively. So yes the material cuts to the chase without filler because she understands what she writes. Reading it once is doable since despite there being many articles, each is written coherently and many are relatively short. Half I find right on, the other half I leave alone.

thr33tim3 wrote:

A lot of her material is very fatalistic, plain and simple. Their conclusion is that the world is going to end, which by definition I think is very *fatalistic* at least for the physical. They insist their message should be viewed as uplifting because it will represent the liberation of all beings aligned with the Light, and the transmutation of all Darkness (evil) in a return to the True Divine Creation whence we all came (All Is One on that level, the origin of all that is).

Hmmm, the majority of stuff I disagree with on the site would make more sense if seen as a misinterpretation - or maybe a "down sampling" - of what are actually hyperdimensional concepts and phenomena. Like the cube sun. I don't care how fast a cube spins and precesses, it will never form a perfect sphere like that since the corners would still trace out ridges. But at a higher dimensional or higher density perspective, maybe the sun really does embody a cubical geometry. Or the idea of the world ending and all forces of light being withdrawn. What if that relates only to the 3D timeline that fizzles out after branching off from a more successful timeline that flowers into 4D existence? And so on.

thr33tim3 wrote:

It seems like Chiappalone was fully convinced the world would end in 1999 and seems to have totally dissappeared since then, at least on the web. Amitakh has been posting some very apocalyptic things lately on her site.

Dark forces profit from the propagation of apocalyptic and foreboding paradigms because it helps entrain people via their despair, doom, and acceptance of the "inevitable" onto precisely that probable future. Dark forces also profit from the suppression of knowledge concerning these same issues because non-awareness eliminates resistance to that future. I think awareness without emotional preoccupation is the way beyond either traps.

thr33tim3 wrote:

Could you define "complex accuracy" btw? If Amitakh's material is simplistic clarity, what would you suggest as a good example of complex accuracy? I am always looking for the next step. smile

Complex accuracy means it includes the proper context, nuances, and caveats that if ignored would make for misinterpretation, oversimplification, and thus inaccuracy. There is also complex inaccuracy, where one comes off as impressive just because one includes lots of trivia or jargon despite these being totally off. What's a good example of complex accuracy? Well, ones that come to mind are the Ra Material, some of Michael Topper's writings, or maybe The 33 Arks by the Nexus Seven. Or for something simple, see the Allies of Humanity. That's my opinion, others may have other suggestions. And even these I don't fully agree with. I think complex accuracy is best found in assembling the best and most accurate elements you can extract from anything worth your time to read.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

19 (edited by tenetnosce 2006-05-09 21:57:17)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

z3n3rg wrote:

I sense that you don't see the YCYOR concept as being valid even from the soul perspective.  Is that correct?  Can you expand on that?

When you say soul perspective then I am assuming you mean a 5D perspective, so my response is geared toward that.

From a 5D perspective I would say that it is more valid than in 3D.  There is a greater degree of choice.  Yet the perception is that of an individal soul.  There is your soul and my soul and everybody else's soul.  So all of our intentions are sent out and they support each other and interfere with each other and create a consensus reality.  I would say there is more potential for agreement among souls from a 5D perspective, and hence a greater degree of harmony in that reality.

For "true" YCYOR, I think we need to look to 10D, which is frankly quite outside my perception.  What I can say is this involves complete awareness, or omniscience.  Only from that level of awareness could one claim full responsibility for reality creation on all levels.

We are triune beings consisting of a subconscious, conscious, and superconscious.  Hence the majority of creation occurs at levels which are outside of our awareness, and that opens the door to manipulation.  We think we are creating one thing when in fact we are creating another.  Often times the complete opposite.

I do believe that it is possible from a 3D perspective to have complete control over one's experience of reality.

z3n3rg wrote:

I can answer your question.  Those that no longer require the lessons here are no longer here.  And if they are here in this moment of the human lesson plan then they are back to assist.  It would be like looking at middle school.  Middle school doesn't go away because a bunch of students graduated.  There are more students coming in that require middle school.  And if someone that already graduated finds themselves back in middle school then they would be tutors or teachers.

I have considered that perspective, and it makes a lot of sense.  What it doesn't account for is the perception that 3D, or more correctly this portion of 3D is a trap, or a prison, or somehow under quarantine.  It also doesn't account for why there are so many "teachers" here in comparison to "students", and for why souls have to go through hundreds of incarnations here before learning the most basic of "lessons". 

If I created my own reality, I would create it such that humans grow quite naturally and effortlessly and in harmony with their environment.  Yet what I observe is people living in mortal fear of the growth process, and fighting and kicking every step of the way.  I don't believe that struggle and suffering are necessary.  Friction, yes.  But no more than that. 

So there must be something else here at work.  Something which feeds off of suffering.  Something which I just can't snap my fingers and make go away. 

Which leads to your next question:

z3n3rg wrote:

If you wish, please expand on why you think that our 5d lessons are being subverted.  As you probably already realize I don't think these entities can stop me from gaining wisdom.  However, I would like to see it from your perspective.

Again I don't find "lessons" to be the most instructive model.  I agree that nothing can stop you from gaining wisdom.

I am suggesting that we brought the wisdom with us.  We are here to remember, not to learn.

If we are viewing things in terms of YCYOR and learning lessons, then there is a tendency to beat ourselves up when we don't get our creation right, and get caught up in all sorts of drama along the way.  The results in a loosh fest for the negs that created this net in the first place, and conveniently points the finger of responsibility away from them and back at us.

If we are viewing things in terms of remembrance, then we understand that we did not create this reality, but came here to undo this reality.  To untie this knot that serves a negative agenda disguised as a noble purpose.

At the 5D level, we are not here so much as to "free the captives" or "enlighten the masses" as we are to demonstrate to our negative 5D brethren that the path they have taken is a dead end.  It cannot last as the Light shall always triumph over Darkness.  From 5D, we already know how powerful we are, and we are here to demonstrate that literally in the face of darkness. 

In that, we are offering an opportunity for negs to change their polarity.  A chance to let go of their childish games, and return to the Light.  From that perspective, they are here to learn lessons, not us.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

20 (edited by Sowelu 2006-05-09 22:32:46)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

That's a wonderful analogy, z3n3rg, thanks for that.

A bit on the YCYOR idea... when a being acknowledges that their consciousness is not comprised solely of what they consciously understand, YCYOR will make more sense. Until then, the mind sees no direct relationship between what the person experiences and the desires and intents it acknowledges, and so chooses to believe that YCYOR must be invalid.

The mind is limited until awakened, but this does not mean the mind is the only consciousness in/of the individual, though it is frequently the only consciousness truly identified with by an individual. In fact, the portions of consciousness it needs to awaken to... are those portions chugging away at manifesting it's experiences (this is hinted at in the mysterious allusions to gravity by the C's).

The mind is but a portion of the consciousness of an individual. What lives seemingly hidden from it, but within grasp if it seeks it, are the parts of consciousness chugging away at the unwanted creations. Turn to these parts, allow them to rise to conscious awareness, and it becomes clear that there is nothing not self-created.

As long as belief carries more weight than faith, the mind will likely not take that route to its fulfillment. Said another way: as long as "proof" carries more weight than "trust", the mind will not venture where it does not already have command. It tends to "dabble" inward and then often too quickly decides it's for naught. This usually happens when it can make no logical sense of what doesn't adhere to mental logic anyway... and so then it goes back to it's looping routines, pushing them to the limits of it's creative power. And there are many [limits].

The mind's creative power is, once again, the very consciousness aspects it rejects before experiencing fully. What it does not acknowledge in its entirety nor undistorted fullness, continues to manifest unwanted experiences. The mind does not see this.

These experiences are labeled "negative" and seen as "other than" self. Nefarious beings are appointed as the "wrong doers" and "controllers" enforcing this unfortunate situation. Again... "other than" self. "Self", in this instance, is only that portion of the being that the mind acknowledges. Itself, in other words. The being is identified with it's mind, the mind identifies itself as the being, and therein lies the problem.

What the mind does not realize is that the experiences are perceived as, and manifest as "negative" or "unwanted" precisely because the mind rejects the consciousness of Self manifesting these experiences! (The source of the experiences is "unwanted", so the experiences it produces follow suit. Perfectly in line with YCYOR, btw). This is the meaning behind the wisdom phrase "what we deny wreaks havoc".

Until the mind is willing to take a back seat long enough, surrender and not be in control long enough for the rest of the total being's consciousness to make itself truly known in its undistorted state, the experiences of the being will be those created by a chosen limited consciousness. One insisted upon by a mind not ready to relinquish its stronghold on "reality".

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

21 (edited by tenetnosce 2006-05-09 23:25:55)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Sowelu wrote:

A bit on the YCYOR idea...

Your assessment explains shadow dynamics very well, but I don't think it fully explains why the world is the way it is.  It doesn't explain those who feed off of the shadow, and willfully obscure the growth opportunities that would otherwise be available to the soul through acceptance of the shadow.  The choices are not clearly presented here.

I guess the difference is in the belief that 3D earth is not a sample slice of a homogenous 3D reality where the normal rules apply, but a very unusual place where we play under special rules.  A little corner of the galaxy which happens to be the focus of an unusually large amount of hyperdimensional light and dark energies.

So what I'm saying is that the complexity of creation involved here is so far beyond my consciousness that I can hardly claim it all as my own.

I didn't create war.  Though I can lessen the effects of it on my life, I can't stop it from affecting my life in negative ways.  But ultimately there is no lesson that I need to learn that is worth the slaughter of human beings.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

22 (edited by Sowelu 2006-05-10 01:09:41)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

I appreciate your perspective, certainly.

If you take the ideas mentioned above and combine them with the "The Power of Now" (the only "time" or "place" anything ever actually exists), taking each moment of experience to its roots, you'd perhaps be surprised at how much war goes on internally, how much "intent to kill off", how much "desire to smear" or ridicule or best or reject out of hand... in an instant of experience. How much neglected decay, ignored and even intentional "crime", deceit, righteousness, fear and volumes of bandaids, paint jobs, masks, and facades that allow one part of self to thrive as if it is "the only worthy one" or "the chosen one" over other parts. All the makings of full out war. War against self, by self.

All within one experiencing being... which is a perfect fractal reflection of the One Self, which is actually all there really is.

Until we see this within ourselves, we will see this outside ourselves. Again, precisely because we reject it as ourselves.

In this view the Law of Attraction is revealed to simply be "the self acting upon the self", slowed way down to 3D in dense linear time. The slower the consciousness frequency, the slower the impact of one's actions back on the self... or so it seems to that consciousness. This is part of what makes connecting the dots so difficult for most.


Perhaps in partial explanation of the environment here... imagine that the Oneself decides to experience "not self". What would have to be put in place in order for it to be experienced as real? Ignorance of itself is paramount, of course. ALL of itself, somehow, has to exist in some form (including potential and idea), in this "somewhere". As is a "system" whereby it would appear legitimate that everything is "not self", except some degree of the containment field that houses "self".

And "where" this could ever possibly take place would be at a frequency of consciousness also very "not self". Infinity and all knowingness is pretty darn high/fast frequency! The slowest consciousness frequency where sentience still exists... is 3D.

And getting lost in this system is a given. When you have eternity, these things are not an issue. But many who got lost and could not find their way back inward because they never looked there, devised a way and means by which they could sustain themselves for a really long time, in their attempt to get back "home" to their rightful place as "God". Of course, because they premised their intent on the false idea that "God" is something external, acheivable by external means... they missed the boat. For a really long time.

During this aeon, they came to know themselves as "God" except for a few small details. And refuse to give up this notion. Those few small details, the flaws in their understanding, are "temporarily" taken care of by feeding off the rest of God until such time as they either fully subsume or change their mind. Of course they believe they will find this perfect form and way to finally achieve their goal. But that is a delusion, whether they acknowledge it as such or not.

That one moment, which is all there is, when the choice was made to experience "not self"... is constantly occurring. So is the completion in full return. And every stage in between.

In other words, there's plenty of time and plenty of room for this to go on indefinitely. For those who live from/in distortion, of course. But for those individuated consciousnesses that realize the truth of themselves/All That Is, the illusion is no longer a prison or hell, and needn't even be experienced any longer, if it's not wanted.

But to get to the place where one's sovereignty is known well enough that they can make that choice, one must have given up many ghosts and false beliefs and dreams of external grandeur. And accepted as self a great many things it prefers to reject, ignore, deny, project, repress, etc. And so it's not so easy for most once they get here.

So there'll always be an illusory experience of "Divine Not Me-ness", and any portion of the One is free to explore it for as long as it desires. Whatever devices and games and tangents they can create while exploring this denser level of "not me", is perfectly acceptable.

Getting caught up in those devices and games and tangents is also perfectly acceptable. But it is a choice. At some point, at least, it becomes a choice. Most don't realize they keep making that choice. To refuse to explore where one might feel vulnerable. To refuse to acknowledge what stares one in the face and see it for what it really is. To believe in something false because it seems safer than daring to move into unknown territory where it might get dangerous or scary. Lots of choices, really. All day, every day, in every moment.

Conjecture: Every aeon or so, one being does it, perhaps. Completes. Realizes itself from intial full ignorance all the way back to full consciousness. And what we don't realize until they're complete, perhaps, is that "they" were actually many, many, many individuals in form in that "somewhere" that's right here. So when this one completes, so do a whole lot of other individuated consciousnesses. Or are at least given the choice to, perhaps.

I seem to feel we're at one of those times, and it's happening as we speak. It fits with the feeling of importance that's grown around realizing that we indeed have the ability to make choices, and those choices are rather important. And they occur constantly in our experience of life here. Not choices about what to reject of all there is, but choices to become more aware. To dare explore what we've left untouched. To venture with trust, rather than protect in fear. Either type of choice sets us in a direction, it seems. "Home" or more exploration of "the game".

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It does and it must require a master of the realm to rise to awareness while in the limited state, in order to close the gap completely and "go home". It is a natural and required eventuality. There is no other path to completion than for that which first set out into ignorance to re-attain full awareness.

In this completion, all other tangents of exploration are "returned home" to their source, in harmony, in awareness, in light of truth. Distortions are resolved, conundrums of eternal life are resolved, and the "game" ends.

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Thank you tenetnosce.  I understand your perspective much better now.

tenetnosce wrote:

When you say soul perspective then I am assuming you mean a 5D perspective, so my response is geared toward that.

From a 5D perspective I would say that it is more valid than in 3D.  There is a greater degree of choice.  Yet the perception is that of an individal soul.  There is your soul and my soul and everybody else's soul.  So all of our intentions are sent out and they support each other and interfere with each other and create a consensus reality.  I would say there is more potential for agreement among souls from a 5D perspective, and hence a greater degree of harmony in that reality.

For "true" YCYOR, I think we need to look to 10D, which is frankly quite outside my perception.  What I can say is this involves complete awareness, or omniscience.  Only from that level of awareness could one claim full responsibility for reality creation on all levels.

We are triune beings consisting of a subconscious, conscious, and superconscious.  Hence the majority of creation occurs at levels which are outside of our awareness, and that opens the door to manipulation.  We think we are creating one thing when in fact we are creating another.  Often times the complete opposite.

I do believe that it is possible from a 3D perspective to have complete control over one's experience of reality.

I can see that perspective.  Our view of the structure is a bit different and that's probably where split in perspective comes in.  I would add in two other concepts to show my perspective a bit better.

1.  As a soul I did not have to choose to come to 3d.
2.  As a soul, no other soul has the ability to impose on my free-will within 5d.  In the physical realm, sure.  That's the nature of the lower vibrational realms as I see it.


What it doesn't account for is the perception that 3D, or more correctly this portion of 3D is a trap, or a prison, or somehow under quarantine.

I'll just add some more of my perspective.  I view the prison as part of our chosen lessons.  For me, it's the quick route of learning the dynamics of existence that would otherwise take longer.  By being a part of the hardcore reality here I can get the full scope of the dynamics.  It's like watching a football game and actually being in the game.  I can understand football.  I can say I would do this or that from the comfort of my laz-e-boy.  But put me down on the field with 350lb linebackers and I'll have a whole different perspective.

It also doesn't account for why there are so many "teachers" here in comparison to "students",

I don't see this as being accurate.  There are a billion muslims.  There are a billion catholics.  80-90% of Americans subscribe to some christian religion.  Don't know how many christians total worldwide not including catholics.  Then you have Judiasm.  Compare that to a few million wanderers.  If there were so many teachers then we would all live in 3d bliss.  It's the followers that are the reason we can't do much of anything in 3d.  They are still following the false teachings and their reality is too powerful (at the moment) for us to penetrate with any visual effects.

and for why souls have to go through hundreds of incarnations here before learning the most basic of "lessons".

I see a lot of higher level lessons on the planet as well.  I'm still learning a lot even though I understand a lot.  Also, I agree with certain teachings that state this is the realm of choice.  But it's also the realm of understanding that choice in order to make it properly within the framework of creation.  Since I don't have a proper view from above I can't say where I'm at.  Maybe I'm a wanderer.  Maybe you are a wanderer.  Maybe we did choose to come here to help or to experience and observe.  Maybe we knew we would forget.  And now we are starting to remember our other lives somewhere else.  Maybe "we" already learned the lessons.  Or maybe we have a few higher ones that we felt we could learn in this harsh environment.  There's so much I can't see.  There so many dynamics that may be going on that I don't know about.


If I created my own reality, I would create it such that humans grow quite naturally and effortlessly and in harmony with their environment.  Yet what I observe is people living in mortal fear of the growth process, and fighting and kicking every step of the way.  I don't believe that struggle and suffering are necessary.

There is some material that states that 3d is made up of many other vibrations.  Earth is in a lower vibration of that range of 3d vibrations.  There may be places like the "nirvana vibration" that is still 3d but not yet completely 4d.  Earth would be in the realm of the lower vibrations within 3d and thus the lessons are more in-your-face hardcore.

I agree with you to an extent.  I personally don't need struggle and suffering to learn and grow.  But does that mean that other souls don't or don't want to experience it?  I look at what I consider to be my choice as to a general life.  I was born poor with some fairly overt trauma in my childhood.  But looking back over it objectively, I can say that those experiences pushed me in the direction I really wanted to go anyway.  It was hell, but it's not hell compared to what some people endure.  It was just enough hell for me to get me to the point I'm at now.


*Gotta end the post abruptly at this point.  Need a recharge on the cognitive juices.*

24 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-05-10 16:09:27)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

tenetnosce wrote:

Again I don't find "lessons" to be the most instructive model.  I agree that nothing can stop you from gaining wisdom.

I am suggesting that we brought the wisdom with us.  We are here to remember, not to learn.

Lessons learning or Wisdom remembering?  How about souls that have only had but a few incarnations?  Are you using the concept for those as well?  Or is it used for what we consider wanderers?  Because in a sense I agree.  It's kind of like both are true.  If the wisdom is dark then we would be learning it again which could be remembering again.  I hope I haven't confused your meaning here.  Please correct me if I have.


If we are viewing things in terms of YCYOR and learning lessons, then there is a tendency to beat ourselves up when we don't get our creation right, and get caught up in all sorts of drama along the way.

I can understand that.  I just see 5d spiritual lessons as being more obtuse.  Whereas, being caught in what appears to be a trap for a long time is actually a lesson in patience or something.  Know what I mean?

The results in a loosh fest for the negs that created this net in the first place, and conveniently points the finger of responsibility away from them and back at us.

Yup, I understand what you mean.  Can we not though still see that we chose this without feeling under the heel of the net setters?  I don't feel under there heel except for a instances when I'm viewing this from a strict 3d perspective.  The annoyance doesn't last long though.

If we are viewing things in terms of remembrance, then we understand that we did not create this reality, but came here to undo this reality.  To untie this knot that serves a negative agenda disguised as a noble purpose.

Ah, yes.  The karma and so forth and catching people in 4d.  I can actually see that and it makes sense.  Haven't read much of it but I read a little.  And yes, even in a 5d sense I didn't create earth, the lizzies or the net.  Nor do I take responsibility for it as such.  From that perspective that responsibility falls on those entities that created it.  So yea, I can agree to disagree with the YCYOR from that perspective.

The whole thing is I could keep going back and forth depending on what particular view is presented.  I like the density levels presented by Ra and the Cs.  That doesn't mean their correct and I realize that.  So I can't be concrete in anything especially when I can see how another system could be just as valid.  I don't have objective knowledge (that I can remember) from that level.  I can only feel what resonates with me.  It could be that the idea of densities resonated with me and the number just got stuck in there.  But, the good thing is I don't mind the abstract unknowingness too much.  I can see what I can and can't do and I will always try to go beyond that.  I will always strive to assist others if it seems they are asking.  I will always try to gain more insight and wisdom through whatever means I have available.

At the 5D level, we are not here so much as to "free the captives" or "enlighten the masses" as we are to demonstrate to our negative 5D brethren that the path they have taken is a dead end.  It cannot last as the Light shall always triumph over Darkness.  From 5D, we already know how powerful we are, and we are here to demonstrate that literally in the face of darkness.

Yo, I'm down wit dat.  If I knew of other things to do I'd be doing them.  I keep trying to come up with different things based on things I heard or just random thoughts.  I can never seem to get much in the way of 3d visual effects though so it's touch and go.

In that, we are offering an opportunity for negs to change their polarity.  A chance to let go of their childish games, and return to the Light.  From that perspective, they are here to learn lessons, not us.

From that perspective, I'll learn from their learning of their lessons.  Since I love different perspectives be certain that I embody theirs as well and try to think from that and see from that.  Different perspective integration is about the only thing I've been able to do to keep my mind from going completely nuts with boredom from being "stuck" in this cage.

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

Thanks, Z
for your time and patience in offering your explanation to my questions! It's appreciated.
Peace,
Summer

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

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It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

27 (edited by fandango 2006-05-22 20:59:15)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

If I created my own reality, I would create it such that humans grow quite naturally and effortlessly and in harmony with their environment.  Yet what I observe is people living in mortal fear of the growth process, and fighting and kicking every step of the way.

Don't think of an orange.

You might think you are "wanting" peace etc but a part of you doubts its achievement and thereby entertains, and creates, the very possibility of the very thing you say you don't want.

The ONLY harm that can come from moving through our lives believeing we create our reality is that we will use wisdom in each and every decision, be aware of all consequences, be reluctant to repeat mistakes and become more cognisant of our own behavioural patterns. I say worst because I know how scary this concept is for many people who prefer to abdicate total responsibility to some "other", something outside of themselves be it government, rules, peers, family or reptillians.

28 (edited by tenetnosce 2006-05-24 14:20:00)

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

My question is this:  How do proponents of YCYOR reconcile the theory with the fact that we live in a consensus reality?

Per the cartoon above:  the Bush administration really believed there were WMDs in Iraq. . but they weren't there.

People all across the U.S. believe that the value of their house is going to keep going up.  It is not.

Even more people do NOT believe in the existence of ETs, grays, reptoids, etc., yet they nevertheless DO exist.

I've been in relationships that I believed would last for years, if not a lifetime.  They didn't.

And finally, let's not forget the millions upon millions of people who, over the years, believed that the world was going to end.  It is still here.

So my point is that YES, beliefs can influence reality, and as I've mentioned before several times, I think that beliefs determine my experience of reality. 
However, the simple fact that people all over the world hold diametrically opposed beliefs is evidence in itself that they cannot all be true. 

Belief is not enough.  Enough said.  Now go believe whatever you want.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

the Bush administration really believed there were WMDs in Iraq

ROFLMAO. Sorry but that just tickled my fancy!

Re: Creating One's Own Reality - The Deception Of The "New Age"

tenetnosce wrote:

So my point is that YES, beliefs can influence reality, and as I've mentioned before several times, I think that beliefs determine my experience of reality. 
However, the simple fact that people all over the world hold diametrically opposed beliefs is evidence in itself that they cannot all be true. 

Belief is not enough.  Enough said.  Now go believe whatever you want.

I guess it all depends how you define reality for yourself.  If reality, to you, is this thing we all happen to be sharing at this moment then perhaps you are right.  However if you define it like I do, it's a whole other story.  To me, this thing we all happen to be sharing isn't my reality.  The only reality for me is my instance, my perceptions.

I dont know a real good way to explain it.  But thinking back to when I was making video games, you have the "world" where all the game pieces live, but then each piece has its own "world" too, in which it moves freely and independent of others, and independent of the rest of the world.  In other words its like your "world-space", your 2meter by 2meter box, is your immediate world.

So I'm not sure if you can relate to that, but to me reality is within that smaller box -- my world.

Note that I'm not really disagreeing with you, though.  Just depends which "reality" you claim as yours.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)