Re: STO and STS: Practical Dynamics of the Omniverse

z3n3rg wrote:

I really only wished to expand on the idea Spi presented about the need for fuel by some "creators" being because of a blockage caused by a focus of attention inwards instead of outwards.  Gibbon, whatever works best for you is great.  STO/STS works best for me as it explains every situation I can think of including the actual dynamics of existence itself.

This idea of Creators needing "fuel" is wildly speculative. Our 3D holographic plane (projected by the mind) has it's own special "rules." Just because we need "energy" to survive doesn't mean the dimensions need energy to survive. The dimensions tell us all is infinite universal sound harmonics that can create via sound. Something infinite can survive on it's own. Something limited needs "energy" and "fuel" to endure. Something like the mind consciousness system.

And this "inward-outward" energy matrix that's been cooked up by you guys is really hard for me to understand. Again, every being is selfish unto himself, and that selfishness is linked to survival. Self/Other is really only One, yet we separate ourselves because our minds are constructed to see in atomized polarities. The STS/STO model falls apart when you take away the human convention of morality.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Ok let's think about something. When you give to others are you not being "selfish"? Yeah, you are in a way. Even if you aren't expecting anything at all in return, you are still being selfish, because it brings pleasure. It would be incredibly difficult to "give" to others if it didn't bring pleasure.

I read in a Steve Pavlina article (take this lightly) that you are either a Lightworker or Darkworker. Both will end up in mastery and will be able to experience unconditional love and both will be good beings. How? Because lightworkers will realize that working on themselves will benefit humanity. Darkworkers will realize that helping the world will ultimately benefit themselves. It makes complete sense to me. I don't think reptilians or any negative beings are STS at all. If they were STS they would realize hurting others would hurt themselves right? I think they're just monsters. Why aren't there friendly reptilians? Maybe cause they got no personality (I have no idea). Whatever the reason, If I was a reptilian I wouldn't see the point in existing, seems kinda stressful.

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Even if you aren't expecting anything at all in return, you are still being selfish, because it brings pleasure. It would be incredibly difficult to "give" to others if it didn't bring pleasure.

You mean like motivation? Motivation is an STS concept.

Yet, you give others when they need and ask for it, the thing is that people who are in bliss do not care what they feel rather care what others feel.

In a 3d perception, you could see that you do not benefit yourself, but in an STS perception, they can only see what they want to see. I have experienced an STS time, where my dreams of getting what I want can be accomplished by manipulating people. I didn't see that helping others would benefit me, I was uninformed.

Also, Reptilians gone through a lot to make them negative beings.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer … iles14.htm

Reptiles do not dream, but animals which have evolved from the reptiles (mammals & birds) do dream. Why? Because the reptilian mind is still operating in them and we humans call that mental state "dreaming." There is no "dreamstate" in reptiles because this mentality is their waking state. It is repressed during our waking hours (but still functioning --- it never sleeps) by chemicals released neocortically--- then the reptilian is allowed to function during sleep and dream, when the left hemisphere is in turn repressed. But obviously, the reptilian brain is not satisfied being relegated to the "nightwatch" of an inert body. It wants far more than that.

They are like deadly daydreamers, only caring for themselves and by action - They use manipulation. Trust me, I have been in this position of STS before. I felt 'alright', though I keep daydreaming and laughing like a total idiot when it came to be in action. Wishful thinking can bring unexpected hard times though...

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According to the dimensionals, reptilians no longer exist.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Kid Mongo, looking from your perspective I can understand that it doesn't make sense and may even seem contradictory.  This is due to the fact that you don't think there is a vibrational realm beyond the "dimensions".  There's no way to reconcile this with your viewpoint since you don't think there is a spirit realm. 

The model of sts/sto doesn't fall apart when taking out human morality.  It's not about morality.  It's about expansion/contraction of creation.  It's about a lesson on the nature of existence.  It's a lesson in being a creator.

If you really want further explanation I will certainly oblige.  However, comparing it to what the dimensionals say will be a pointless endeavour due to the difference in the foundation of the two concept structures.

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We can certainly compare the two different models. It might be fun.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Spi wrote:

Harmful/Harmless + STS/STO Perspective: That Pleiadian woman ate a pear! I'll say she's harmful. (????????????????)

STS/STO Perspective: I can't blame her, she's in the physical realm where laws are composed that to eat so to survive.

Eating fruits is not a STS thing, the plants are begging for any animal to eat its fruits
and spread its seeds, it is an exchange!

"I(the plant) feed you with my fruits and you grant my offspring...
See how beautiful colors they have, how sweet they are,  ahhh the smell !!
When they are ready, you will easy spot/find them either by sight or olfaction,
take as many as you need, but please take them!!!"

Here on tropical forest the bats are the number 1 seeds spreads, reforestator.

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24 (edited by Spi 2007-12-03 12:04:10)

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Pictus wrote:
Spi wrote:

Harmful/Harmless + STS/STO Perspective: That Pleiadian woman ate a pear! I'll say she's harmful. (????????????????)

STS/STO Perspective: I can't blame her, she's in the physical realm where laws are composed that to eat so to survive.

Eating fruits is not a STS thing, the plants are begging for any animal to eat its fruits
and spread its seeds, it is an exchange!

"I(the plant) feed you with my fruits and you grant my offspring...
See how beautiful colors they have, how sweet they are,  ahhh the smell !!
When they are ready, you will easy spot/find them either by sight or olfaction,
take as many as you need, but please take them!!!"

Here on tropical forest the bats are the number 1 seeds spreads, reforestator.

I meant like a people are seeing it as harmful not STS. I can change it and say a Pleiadian ate a chicken leg (They do eat meat but not as much), and that might be perceived as harmful as she was probably responsible for first killing the chicken and eating its leg.

The harmful/harmless + STO/STS perspective might work as not labeling their race, but may work well for their actions. Just a thought.

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Sure Kid Mongo.  I mean going into it I know that nobody can prove anything.  I can't prove the spirit exists and you can't prove it can't.  So I guess as long as we understand that it's all just conjecture based on what others have said.

Have you read some of the Cass transcripts?  If not I can break down the fundamentals.  Let me know.

The thing with sts/sto is I see it beyond the physical realm (which in the 7 density structure includes the "dimensions" or astral).  Yea, in the physical realm it certainly looks like duality.  And yes, transcending duality does seem to be an optimal goal.  But seeing the terms in their larger form, in relation to existence, the duality idea of it kinda falls away.

Basically, the model says there is only One.  And we are all fractal replications of this One but are still part of One at the same time.  This One created all with help of other creator parts of self.  Now, how would this One go about teaching these fractal replication parts of self about the fundamentals of creation through free-will exploration?  And that's where the sts/sto model does seem to fit.  Expand self and other selves to allow unhindered creative expansion towards infinity.  Contract self and enslave others to constrict creative expansion towards entrophy.  At the end of the day, expansion is really the only option unless a part of the One just wishes to fall back into the void as non-vibration.  So in essense it's not really polarity at that level.  It's just how existence expands towards infinity or contracts towards entrophy when speaking about free-will interactions between replications of One.  The final goal of All within One is to learn all that One knows, join back with One at the highest vibration, and then create their own universe.

Concerning the first molecule and "where did the creator come from" it's pretty much along the lines.  You'll have to understand that the concepts of how the "first" came about came long before the destini material (for me).  So I'm seeing the molecule thing as a watered-down repeat of the concepts of origin of All.  Anyway, the Creator (One)(Source)(etc) which we are all part of was in potential within the infinite void.  The infinite void contains all things in potential.  The toothbrush was contained within the infinite void as potential, just to provide a down-to-earth example.  The potential over eons of non-time (since there was no time) formed within itself an awareness of itself.  There was a distrubance in the void.

Of course, at this point it's hard to reach out to that level.  Did the disturbance just happen as a consequence of so much potential?  I think that's what happened.  The other idea is that the void created the disturbance.  But I don't think the void was aware of itself at that point.  So after the disturbance came an awareness of the disturbance which was an awareness of self.  The infinite void then did what any good infinite void would do.  It replicated the disturbance to create a larger disturbance.  After much self reflection on it's disturbances, the first manifested vibration was created within the void.  The rest is history.

Or something like that.  smile

26 (edited by zenden 2007-12-03 19:19:40)

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im not OVER HERE to argue anything.  only to give some INFO.

The Cassiopaeans have said:

    A: The bottom line is this: You are occupying 3rd density. You are by nature, STS. You can be an STO candidate, but you are NOT STO until you are on 4th density. You will NEVER grasp the meaning of these attempted conceptualizations until you are at 4th and above.

To make this point a little clearer, let me add that, before the "Fall," human beings were 3rd density STO, which means that they were ALIGNED with 4th density STO. We have already discussed what this reality must have been like in terms of the megalith builders who were able, by their interaction with Celestial forces, to manifest all that was needed without assault on the environment of Earth.

Don Juan tells us that the Seers of ancient times were "men capable of inconceivable deeds. They were powerful sorcerers, somber and driven, who unraveled the secrets" of existence at our level. They were able to "influence and victimize people by fixating their awareness on whatever they chose." This is an important key in terms of Frequency Resonance Vibration that cannot be overstressed.

There are two positions in the study and understanding of awareness: Sorcerers vs. The Warrior Who Sees. They Both practice the same Seeing, the difference is Intent. The Sorcerer practices to control others. The Warrior practices to become Free.

The Cassiopaeans designate these two positions as "Service to Others," and "Service to Self." Those who wish to control others are Serving Self, those who wish to become free and help others who wish to become free are Serving Others.

Shaman is another way to describe the Warrior who practices to be free. A Shaman is not a magician or a sorcerer although he CAN play those roles if he chooses. He is not a healer, though he can play that role also. A Shaman is far more; he is a psychopomp, a priest, a mystic and a poet. Shamanism is NOT a religion, it is a function, a role, a magico-religious phenomenon specific to certain individuals who have ecstatic capacity permitting "magical flight" to higher realms, descent into the underworld to battle dark forces, mastery over fire, matter, time and space. Unfortunately, as Don Juan noted, in the present time, the Shamanic acts are acts of great laxity, distortion and aberration.

The "ecstatic experience" is the primary phenomenon of Shamanism, and it is this ecstasy that can be seen as the act of merging with the celestial beings. And merging results in Forced Oscillation that changes Frequency. Continued interaction with Celestial beings is a form of Frequency Resonance Vibration.

The shaman, in his ability to achieve the ecstatic state inaccessible to the rest of mankind, was regarded as a privileged being. More than this, the myths tell us of the First Shamans who were sent to earth by the Celestial Beings to DEFEND human beings against the "negative gods" who had taken over the rule of mankind. It was the task of the First Shamans to activate, in their own bodies, a sort of "transducer" of cosmic energy for the benefit of their tribe. This was expressed as the concept of the "world tree," which became the "axis" or the Pole of the World and later the "royal bloodlines."

It does seem to be true that there is a specific relationship between this function and certain "bloodlines." But, as with everything that has been provided to help mankind, this concept has been co-opted by the forces seeking to keep mankind in darkness and ignorance. The true and ancient bloodlines of the First Shamans have been obscured and hidden by the false trail of the invented genealogies of the Hebrew Old Testament supposedly leading to certain branches of present day European royal and/or noble families, which seek to establish a counterfeit "kingship" that has garnered a great deal of attention in recent times.

As we have already noted, BEFORE the Fall, every human being had access to communication with the higher densities via the "Maidens of the Wells," or the union between the right and left hemispheres of the brain and alignment with the 4th density STO. Because of their alignment, their frequency, and the lack of STS dampers, it was a simple matter to amplify Frequency Resonance Vibration.

AFTER the Fall, it seems that a specific genetic variation was somatically induced by the incarnation of certain higher density beings who "gave their blood" for the "redemption of man." That is to say that they changed the body and DNA by Forced Oscillation. It is likely that this was done through the female incarnations because of the role of the mitochondrial DNA, but I don't want to get ahead of myself here, so we will leave that for the moment.

Nevertheless, the presence of this DNA, depending upon the terms of recombination, makes it very likely that there are literally millions of carriers of this bloodline/Shamanic ability on the earth today. And it is for all of YOU that these pages are being written.

In this present time, there are indications that Cosmic changes of monumental proportions are "in the wind." There are also indications that a particular "time element" is involved, and all the forces of darkness seek to deceive and obfuscate at levels never before achieved in order to distract, confuse, dilute and defuse the abilities of those who may be the bearers of the "circuits of change" for all humanity.

    Q: (L) But isn't the nature of a person determined by their soul and not the physical body?
    A: Partially, remember, aural profile and karmic reference merges with physical structure.
    Q: (L) So you are saying that particular genetic conditions are a physical reflection of a spiritual orientation? That the soul must match itself to the genetics, even if only in potential?
    A: Yes, precisely.
    Q: (L) So a person's potential for spiritual advancement or unfoldment is, to a great extent, dependent upon their genes?
    A: Natural process marries with systematic construct when present. [Cassiopaeans]

In the present time, it seems that those with the "bloodline" are awakening. It is no longer feasible to be a "Pole of the World" who is asleep, because, as we will soon examine, there are some very serious matters of choice and action that may be incumbent upon the awakened Shaman. The first order of business seems to be to awaken and accumulate strength of polarity.

Shamans are born AND made. That is to say, they are born to be made, but the making is their choice. And, from what I have been able to determine, the choice may be one that is made at a different level than the conscious, 3rd density linear experience. Those who have made the choice at the higher levels, and then have negated the choice at this level because they are not able to relinquish their ordinary life, pay a very high price, indeed.

The pathology of the Shamanic path seems to be part of the means of reaching the "condition" to be initiated. But, at the same time, they are often the means of the initiation itself. They have a physiological effect that amounts to a transformation of the ordinary individual into a technician of the sacred.

The reason for this is the particular role the Shaman plays in the Cosmic dynamics of all times, and most especially the present - that of the Spiritual Warrior.

    ...Shamanism is important not only for the place that it holds in the history of mysticism. The shamans have played an essential role in the defense of the psychic integrity of the community. They are preeminently the antidemonic champions; they combat not only demons and disease, but also the black magicians. The exemplary figure of the shaman champion is the mythical founder of Na-khi shamanism, the tireless slayer of demons. The military elements that are of great importance in certain types of Asian shamanism are accounted for by the requirements of war against the demons, the true enemies of humanity. In a general way, it can be said that shamanism defends life, health, fertility, the world of "light," against death, diseases, sterility, disaster, and the world of "darkness." [Eliade, 1964]

What it DOES mean is the constant and ever present need to sustain a very particular Frequency Resonance. What the Shaman represents is a "Pole of the World," through which the energies of Creation can be transduced into 3rd density. They are required to manifest in their bodies certain frequencies that can only be developed in relationships where the life force of the Shaman is ENHANCED by the interaction, not drained.

And, the "battling of demons" is clearly a clue that the STO Shaman must amplify the STO frequency and avoid amplification of the STS dynamic. That is where the true battle is being fought.

And by acting based on the subtle clues in his environment, including his own body, his ability to SEE grows as well. And when his ability to see increases, he is better able to make choices based on seeing the unseen which act in a beneficial way for the entire STO polarity. The more the Shaman exercises Free Will and ensures the Freedom of Will of others, the more available the energy of Free Will becomes to the entire planet. And this has a huge implication: the more Free Will is available, the more the STS domination will NATURALLY DECREASE! The fewer people who are "available" for feeding, the less the STS orientation can grow!

The Shaman is a "specialist in the sacred." They are able to "see" the spirits, to go up into the sky and meet the gods, to descend to the underworld and fight the demons, sickness, and death. The shaman's essential role in the defense of the psychic integrity of the community depends above all on his ability to SEE what is hidden and invisible to the rest and to bring back direct and RELIABLE information from the supernatural worlds.

do with it as you will. i dont think STO and STS concepts are even of interest to those that arent into certain esoterics.  the terms themselves look very basic but they arent.  embedded in the terms are ancient world history, the story of man as a dimensional creature in the universe, alien interventionism, even myth and fable.  the terms break down behavior of gods and men.  u have to buy into the idea that there are gods, aliens, roles, missions, etc.  the word SERVICE is the whole banana.  it first caught my eye since i was in a service profession.  i was trying to make sense of it.  they look metaphysical, and they are, but theyre not distinct.  Service " That which is produced, then traded, bought or sold, then finally consumed and consists of an action or work"  or " Doing something for someone else without thought of reward or payment."  look at the first part--consume, bought, traded....and the latter without reward or payment.  does anybody in a service profession not wanna be paid?  for their services?  i think not.  and the shamans purposefully DO STO.  it is for a purpose.  not a selfish one though.  their 'reward' is the uneslavement of their people.

im not sure thats ever happened on earth.  maybe for awhile in the infamous beginning.  but it doesnt look like it.  and the shamans do take payment,  they always have.  they do exchanges.  like barter.  i heal you--u give me a chicken.  i free the tribe, u build my hut.  its mutual exchange.  change like the term says, to TRADE.  the shamans and masters' work is to non-enslave.  and u have to first think ur a slave and that u need to be freed.  and u need to free others.  but from who?  from what?  how's that work?  who says so?  u have to buy that ur enslaved, that YOU are a slave and that ur fellow men are too.  and that u need to free yourself and others.  from oppression and dominion.  from control.  if one doesnt think theyre controlled.  well then, no meaning.   the whole thing binds to what men do for men, or not do, and what gods do to men. or not do.  in that sense it is a dynamic of THIS universe.  and its big here, when it may not be as big anywhere else in other universes.  this one however, does play it.  and as the C's say, as do other channeled sources, u cant be STO in an STS world, in a human body, completely.  but u can work towards one or the other.  ultimately.  but then you'd have to believe that one route was better than the other to strive for.   if ur a dominating reptilian and u liked it that way, as a great warrior reptilian, u'd look like and probably be a fool if u were STO and ur peers found that out about u.   u wouldnt move up well in a great warrior race society that dominated universes full of humans and their ilk, and the like.  it wouldnt suit you.  or ur goals. enslaver races, societies need slaves.  all for the various reasons.  dominator races and societies need slaves.  theyre workers.  most of the time AGAINST THEIR WILL.  thats the whole POINT.  making others do YOUR will, and not their own.  they first have to know they have a will, and early made humans didnt even know they had one.  i think their first step in awakening was to find that out.  thats how far back the rabbit hole goes.  the manipulation goes.  but no one has to buy that either.  with all the "free will" DONCHA KNOW.  ha.  so there u go kid mongo.  all one and equal.  we will see.  that would be nice.  but the fact is, it ISNT EQUAL and it never has been.  not with caste systems, trade systems, commerce systems and hierarchies.  as we KNOW them, here.   all i know is that i abhor slavery.  and i guess the real deal is that when u have been a slave, all u think about is getting free, being free.  getting away from the enslavers.  u dont want be dominated and forced into things.  apparently, i think weve been both in this universe, slave and enslaver.  but if u have ever been an enslaver, and looked into the eyes of ur slaves, and u have seen the misery, and the hate, and if its affected ur conscience--well then, maybe u have learned ur lesson.  u have to have been both,  sometime.  and felt both conditions.  and learned from both.   and ur here to either perpetuate STO or STS.  if ur criminal, and sick, and pathological, and u have no conscience, then u keep the status quo as it is in this universe.  but thats from a current human POV.  with human characteristics of conscience and soul and all that.  slavers and controllers'and their ponerology gets stronger and bigger , and they reign, in the world of slavers.  we came in here with this whole set-up.  some of us believe all this--some dont.  and the perfect slave doesnt know he is one.   but the enslavers do know who they are.  its their practice.  i think much of the problem is that we keep putting human traits onto alien races.  we humanize alien races.  and theyre not of the same make up.  not at all.  they have gotten strong and powerful and technologically advanced in their great motherships and with their fantastic weapons and feats of strength and will because they have been STS.  STO is NOT the goal of many species.  this is a more local universal battle, affecting humans most of all, and a few other key alien players.   thats about it.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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thank you zenden

astonishing!

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zenden wrote:

im not OVER HERE to argue anything.  only to give some INFO.

I hear ya there.  I hate arguing.  So we'll just let the Cs argue amoungst themselves.  Hehe.

The Cassiopaeans have said:

    A: The bottom line is this: You are occupying 3rd density. You are by nature, STS. You can be an STO candidate, but you are NOT STO until you are on 4th density. You will NEVER grasp the meaning of these attempted conceptualizations until you are at 4th and above.

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) But isn't the nature of a person determined by their soul and not the physical body?
    A: Partially, remember, aural profile and karmic reference merges with physical structure.
    Q: (L) So you are saying that particular genetic conditions are a physical reflection of a spiritual orientation? That the soul must match itself to the genetics, even if only in potential?
    A: Yes, precisely.
    Q: (L) So a person's potential for spiritual advancement or unfoldment is, to a great extent, dependent upon their genes?
    A: Natural process marries with systematic construct when present. [Cassiopaeans]

A: But it is the soul that matters, not the body. The body dies not the soul.

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"No greater slave than one enslaved by the will to power. Since knowledge is power, one can be enslaved by the mind's desire to attain power with knowledge"
~~carefulcarpenter

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z3n3rg wrote:

Here's my current understanding.  Whether it's correct or not is open to interpretation.

Actions in and of themselves cannot be STO or STS.  What defines the orientation is the intent behind the actions.

Take eating for example.  Some eat things because they taste good.  Like ice cream or steak.  The body doesn't require these to maintain itself so the action can be defined as STS by the intent behind it (tastes good / feels good).

Eating in and of itself does not have to be an STS action.  I know the body is not me.  It's just out on loan.  So when it tells me it needs food then it is STO to provide it what it needs.  Fruits, vegatables, nuts, and berries have all the things the body requires.  So to make it an STO action I would provide the body with good things until it is satisfied.

I call that, and raise.

Take a look at this clip and explain how you feel about we use nature that exists around us for our own pleasure. I will remind you all, we share this world with others species. Yet Man has set Himself as Dominator. Subjugator. Judge. As I have said before, we are all Service To Self, in every way. We live. We act. Our actions define who we are. And what are we? Selfish. Have a look:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3661048967

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.