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Re: Walk-In or Wanderer?

I feel the situation of permission verses forced takeover is more complex than that as the question  of being decieved into giving permission arises.
Its not only trauma or mental disorders that give entities access but false beliefs too.
I feel like the little boy saying the emporer has no clothes here with this stuff and it just seems bizarre to me that someone should knowingly give permission to be taken over by entities even if they they believe them to be positive.
Again you have to ask yourself how deep does the deception go, entities may well have been programmed to think they are postitive but still be working for the STS hiarachy read some of Dr Modis examples for this where lost souls were programmed in the astral to believe they were there to help the person they took over.
The danger of being open to the idea of being a host to a positive entity is indeed that you have given permission to external entities to enter and what happens to YOU?
Is this fine because we think the entity is positive and is here to "anchor light" or other catchy sounding things that appeals to the egos or belief systems of some truth seekers.

My concern is that the "you" who was replaced or possessed already was the truth and was quite capable of anchoring light or whatever without the help of external entities who may not be what they seem.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

Re: Walk-In or Wanderer?

Barefoot Doc wrote:

My concern is that the "you" who was replaced or possessed already was the truth and was quite capable of anchoring light or whatever without the help of external entities who may not be what they seem.

BarefootDoc,

That is my concern also.  How do we discern?  Why let an entity take over your physical body willinglly?  Zarg did mention sometimes an ailing/terminal individual may allow an entity to take over the body and possibly heal it.  If I was in that situation and the offer is made I may consider it.  But how do I make sure this entity is what it says is?  Am I suppose to rely on intuition only?  My 3D mind may not be capable to comprehend the complexity of this transformation and this entity true intentions.  Besides, what is to anchor the light?  I know Zarg has stated that just carrying the Light does the work.  What does that mean?  Maybe I am just dumb or something because honestly it does not make any sense to me.   There has to be some sort of goal/intention for this wanderer or walk-in to take on the task of abandoning a higher level of conciousness and running the risk of getting stuck on 3D.   But, my 3D brain is limited and may not see the truth even when placed right in front of my nose.  Shit, all I have is more damn questions!

Regards,

Lee

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Re: Walk-In or Wanderer?

Lee,
You ask some good question's.  I'm sure many here ask the same ones, including me.   The C's did mention walk-in's briefly, which probably mean's it's a topic very worthy of study.   I also would not doubt there are STS walk-in's for the simple reason that the STS beings always find a way to hi-jack all the good stuff.   Weeding out the positive from the negative is not an easy job, which of course we all have to go through. 

So how do you get answer's here?   The solution from what I can tell is that we all need to go deeper into our "selves" however you translate that.   Getting closer to your Higher-Self, has been a luxury in the past, perhap's it won't be that way in the near future.   And maybe that's the whole point of all this confusion, to give us little pushes from time to time to go deeper, because we require those "better answers" and deeper understanding's.    Most people hesitate from going deeper, all for their own reason's, but now we're running out of reason's to NOT do it.

So when it comes to listening to your intuition, maybe that's the answer your intuition is giving you, that's it time to take the next step and go deeper into our inner world's.... we can't put this off any longer.   Or if we do put it off, obviously the pressure will continue to build, and we all feel this pressure now.

I could give you a nice of way of starting to move through all this, if you wanted to try something.   Why not ask your Higher-Self to help you through your question's.   Intend to find out how to navigate through this, ask something like "I now intend for my HS to please help me find a way to get the answer's to my question's, and also show me my next step, the step that will help me go deeper into my REAL self"

If you repeat this once a day, everyday for a while, thing's will be presented to you.   It's very easy, but few actually take the risk and ASK.

Good luck.


John

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Re: Walk-In or Wanderer?

whywhywhy wrote:

That is my concern also.  How do we discern?  Why let an entity take over your physical body willinglly?  Zarg did mention sometimes an ailing/terminal individual may allow an entity to take over the body and possibly heal it.  If I was in that situation and the offer is made I may consider it.  But how do I make sure this entity is what it says is?  Am I suppose to rely on intuition only?  My 3D mind may not be capable to comprehend the complexity of this transformation and this entity true intentions.  Besides, what is to anchor the light?  I know Zarg has stated that just carrying the Light does the work.  What does that mean?  Maybe I am just dumb or something because honestly it does not make any sense to me.   There has to be some sort of goal/intention for this wanderer or walk-in to take on the task of abandoning a higher level of conciousness and running the risk of getting stuck on 3D.   But, my 3D brain is limited and may not see the truth even when placed right in front of my nose.  Shit, all I have is more damn questions!

Regards,

Lee

I find the whole the notion really creepy and it just does not sit right with me, the whole things reeks of mind control and giving power away to external entities.
A couple of quotes from Steve Gamble that ring true for me.

Here we have mind-controlled cults firmly believing they are alien beings. Again if we step back
and look at the New Age Movement we see exactly this same scenario repeated. There are many
prophets, gurus and the like who are now saying they are alien beings here to save us. It is not within the
scope of these writings to look at them all, other than to demonstrate this is what is happening. John
Armitage, Reiki Master, and inventor of Shamballa Reiki, for example, says he is an alien being. John is
asked a question and I quote directly from his website:
" I'm not being rude, but are you a human being?
Answer: ' Am I a human being? No'.
Question: 'Are you an alien?'
Answer: 'Yes.'
Question: ' Lovely to meet you.'
Answer: 'And you.'
Question: 'And your partner here, is she an alien?'
Answer: 'Yeah, yeah.'
Question: 'Lovely to meet you too.'
Answer: ' We're actually both walk-ins. And Sam's a drop-in.'
Kathleen: ' That's his terminology. He's dropped into the planet. He's dropped in through a multidimensional
vortex, but we'll go through all that…"
But of course they never get around to expanding ‘all that’ and what ‘all that’ means. And so the
conversation goes on about crawl-ins and drop-ins and taking over the human body and even more
ridiculous renderings such as alerting and scrambling the Russian and Chinese Air Forces when they
travelled there after building a merkaba, a group star tetrahedron. Apparently during this mind travel they
were picked up on radar. Maybe they should have switched their radio off?
What concerns me here, is firstly, this reminds me of Do and Ti from the Heavens Gate Cult
when they ‘moved into a human body’. And secondly, where are the morals and ethics, and spiritual
principles of love and compassion: and where is good old-fashioned common decency here? Who or what
gives anybody permission and the right to move into or take over a human body at will? Where is the
knock on the door and asking for permission to enter?
Whether there is any element of truth – or not - in what this 'alien' John from another world has to
say, I believe there is enough information here to warn us to stay well clear of him and his kind of people
if we value our own space, our own bodies, our own consciousness and our own spirituality and sanity. At
worst, if John is right and these aliens can easily take over a human body at will by ‘dropping in’ or
‘crawling in’, then these actions are obviously not seeded from unconditional love or from the balanced
and caring source of All That IS. They are likely to be seeded and derived from an imbalanced and
uncaring source – the external ego consciousness fits the bill. At best, these people could merely be
deluding themselves and like the members of the Heavens Gate cult have become brainwashed and mindcontrolled
into believing the lie.
By buying into this energy and belief system are we merely inviting an entity or predator type
energy into our energy fields, alien only to our own spiritual energy? Is it also more likely that these
people have become innocently caught up in the greatest mind control program ever and have become
deceived and duped into believing they do come from another Planet? Or could it be certain people are
just jumping on the bandwagon to ensure they continue to make money by offering the latest up-to-datefad
and thus retain the interest of their flock? After all, the ego cannot allow itself to be seen to be behind
the opposition can it? The ego has always had to keep up with the Jones. Now it has to contend with the
aliens and extra-terrestrial hierarchies.

Could this be a far more likely explanation for walk ins?

Where the story of Melchizedek becomes really interesting is when we examine the book, ‘Nothing in This Book Is True, But It’s Exactly How Things Are’, by Bob Frissell, which is about the work and teachings of Drunvalo Melchizedek. From pages 57-61 we have the following: “Just who is Drunvalo Melchizedek? Let me begin by telling you about Drunvalo’s great-great-grandfather, Machiavanda Melchizedek. Machiavinda was the person assigned from the Galactic Centre to be with us. He has been with us from the very moment we were created…Machiavinda was from the Great White Brotherhood.�  We have yet another reference to the ‘Brotherhood’. We then have a brief overview of the Great White Brotherhood being in constant conflict with the Great Dark Brotherhood [good vs evil and God vs the Devil religious scenario updated once again] and then the story continues, “Due to amazing events which happened in 1972…, the Great Dark Brotherhood…enlisted four additional members from the star systems of Orion, while the Great White Brotherhood sent four of their own in response to this. Drunvalo was one of the four. He was chosen because of his longstanding experience in the Melchizedek Order in the thirteenth dimensional realm. He had been there almost from the beginning, or about 10 billion Earth years.�  Before even creation? “…Drunvalo came as what is called a ‘walk-in.’ Another person occupied his body until Drunvalo was ready to use it.�
The reader may remember that we covered ‘walk-ins’ and ‘crawl-ins’ in chapter four with our extra-terrestrial Reiki people. Here I feel another parasitic lost soul is at work as this is almost identical to the ‘melding’ of the reincarnated (lost) souls into their chosen-for-them human host that we found in regressive hypnotherapy, again waiting for the right moment – and sometimes many years – to complete their ‘meld’. This is also reminiscent of the attached ‘lost (reincarnated) souls’ changing in people as a new one ‘walks in’ that is even more imbalanced - in that it has been conditioned into the beliefs of the Archons to a greater degree - and an old one ‘walks out’   We covered this ‘changing’ of entity attachments in chapter 7, which is perceived incorrectly by many people today to be a changing of a person’s ‘Spirit Guides’, supposedly as the person ‘evolves’ spiritually. Why people believe this to be so we’ll cover later.
The story continues with Drunvalo descending from the thirteenth dimension to the third and “…he purposely placed a veil over his memory of the thirteenth dimension. According to him, to have memory now of life in the thirteenth dimension would be just too painful. There is no way you could exist here in the third dimension and maintain full memory of what the thirteenth dimension is like.�  Yeah, right! This is remarkably similar to a few gurus I met and
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the excuses they gave too, and in my opinion is just a great cop out. I could tell people that I come from the seven star system of Yogi The Great Bear and from it’s 144th dimension, but in order to exist here in this 3rd dimension means I have to forget where I came from, otherwise I could not possibly manifest in this reality and therefore be of help and assistance to you spiritually.
On April 10, 1972, Drunvalo walked into his current body. It was all done in one breath…�
The author also recounts his experiences while with Drunvalao which are interesting: “I saw his aura but what really struck me was his constantly changing facial image. It kept changing in rapid fire succession as if there were three or four other entities present. [See exercise in Chapter Six that explains how to do this] He said that the workshop was co-created by him along with Toth and the four other Melchizedeks currently on the planet…Then he went on to
talk more about his walk-in experience…and the most likely time for the transfer was a near-death experience…I immediately flashed back to a living death experience I had when I was in Amsterdam…At the time I felt I was standing outside of myself just witnessing the event…Could this have been my walk-in experience?…Drunvalo went on to say how as a walk-in you totally take on the karma of the body you inhabit and that you also get full use of its memory and training.�

One has to be really carefull of people like Drunvalo and other new age agenda followers who claim to be walk ins.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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If possession is technically possible, then so would a more benign Walk-In phenomenon. Still, the latter is more rare than the first, and no doubt dark entities would use benign excuses to mask what they were doing.

The question is whether all instances of Walk-Ins are necessarily possession by dark entities, or whether some are genuinely positive. I think the mere possibility of it being positive means there could be some. What the case may be depends on the outcome. If a person switches out and then ends up doing amazing things in service of balance impossible under the old identity, then that might be an example.

However, it seems to me that the ragged fit between old body and new soul would leave even a positive Walk-In more vulnerable to external manipulation in ways similar to how people with soul fragmentation due to trauma or chemical abuse are easily manipulated due to their not being completely "there."

Still, possession / hosting / shadowing / reanimation / duplication / etc... could play itself off as a mere Walk-In process, and personally I would never let anything solicit my willingness to switch places.

Related to this is is the "Vanishing Twin" syndrome, where one twin disappears during pregnancy. Often the other twin goes through life sensing the other is still alive, and is able to telepathically connect with  the twin. In some cases, the other twin communicates that they have been raised on an alien ship. As the telepathic connection grows stronger, the alien twin soul is gradually phased into the body of the earthly twin. So that's sort of a Walk-In process. More on this here. I'm not convinced that this particular  phenomenon is entirely positive.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Walk-In or Wanderer?

Crown Prince or Termite?

Earther or ET?

Who Cares?

Anybody / Anything can tell US.......

All WE can 'know' is OUR Own Response  { What's the sensing and how does it Feel }.
And an Intimate aspect of that Response is keeping in mind the duality that is inherent in Everything (At least in this Set).   

[Current]

[Holodeck Parameters]

[NOW subject to CHANGE].......

WE All walked-in and wandered from Somewhere / Somewhen.

What do WE care about titles, types, degrees, this, that, or the other thing?

Regardless of source:

Do YOU detect Wisdom ?

If not, YOU can go with:

Well isn‘t that special.......

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/siriarc/church_lady.jpg

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Funny!

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And special. Very, very special. big_smile

39 (edited by whywhywhy 2006-03-28 05:54:51)

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Walk-Ins?

1. Postal Workers who show up to work with an automatic gun
2. Quiet teenagers who one day show up at school with an AK-47
3. The woman in Texas that drowned her five children
4. Gordon Liddy (Immediately after he bit the head of a mouse at an early age)
5. G.W. Bush (The only way he could have run in 2000.  Needed a moron brain and all of the sudden got it!)
6. Abraham Lincoln (shy, not well known and all of the sudden is president of the USA during a critical time)
7. Jim Jones (remember Guyana)

Most of these people lived quiet lives until one day...............

Most of them unleashed a horrible amount of violence and nonsensical acts.

The list is much larger.

Just a thoutht!

Regards,

Lee

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SiriArc wrote:

WE All walked-in and wandered from Somewhere / Somewhen.

My thoughts exactly, we are already multi dimensional beings.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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And we need to “wake/remember" !

Houston, We've Got a Problem…
I do not even remember what I ate yesterday lol

Bye, Pictus

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http://pictus.co.nr

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instead of a new thread i put this here since weve been talking alot about wanderers.  it may bring comfort and relief and help explain.  i used to have a ton on them but that was 1996-7 and no longer all bookmarked.  bless them.  esp after seeing this old RA quote again.  sad but what a neat thing....goes with our vanguard concept too.

The Ra material and Wanderers.    the C's #96081:
Q: (L) Oh, the Cassiopaean variety is the product of an overactive imagination. OK, since the Ra material is considered to be a kind of primer to the Cassiopaean material, could you give us a percentage on the accuracy of this material?
A: 63
Q: (L) 63%, Well, that's pretty good, considering... (J)It's not bad... (T) A lot of it's very good stuff... (L) Can you talk to us a little bit about the concept of Wanderers? Is the Ra concept of Wanderers a valid...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, is there anything about Wanderers that you can tell us, that would help us to identify them?
A: Specifics, please.
Q: (L) OK, is it a correct point of reference that Wanderers are individuals who feel alienated in the world system?
A: Yes but they can partially adapt.
Q: (L) OK, do they also sometimes have physical...
A: Revulsion to physicality.
Q: (T) Revulsion to physicality? They don't like physicality? But they're here! (J) Just because they're here, they don't have to like it! (L) OK, is that always a clue?
A: Yes.

To give those not familiar with the Ra material an idea of the concept of Wanderers in the language of Ra, there is this excerpt from page 127 in the first book of the Law of One available from http://www.llresearch.org

QUESTIONER: You spoke of Wanderers. Who are Wanderers? Where do they come from?
RA: I am Ra. Imagine, if you will, the sands of your shores. As countless as the grains of sand are the sources of intelligent infinity. When a social memory complex has achieved its complete understanding of its desire, it may conclude that its desire is service to others with the distortion towards reaching their hand, figuratively, to any entities who call for aid. These entities whom you may call the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow move toward this calling of sorrow. These entities are from all reaches of the infinite creation and are bound together by the desire to serve in this distortion.

3rd density natives and Wanderers #960811:

Q: (L) And this is something that I was reading in this book the other day, that he talks about, the body is animal, and the soul is spirit. He says that animal people just seek animal experiences, and they glorify them, and they stimulate their physical emotions.
A: 3rd density natives tend to concentrate and to an extent, revel, in the physical.
Q: (T) And boy, they're reveling right now! (L) Yes. (T) There's major reveling going on. And it's intensifying every day. (J) I think the point that I was trying to make was having to stay in 3rd density, would they miss the variability of physicality? (L) Well, Wanderers, remember, are 6th density beings.
A: The lack.
Q: (T) The lack of physicality?
A: Yes. Is missed.
Q: (L) They miss the lack of physicality. (J) Right. Exactly. (L) They miss the lack of physicality. (J) OK, that was what I was getting at. I just didn't say it right.
A: Not so much "miss," as much as difficulty of adjustment.

and this is quite old and been around for years but i found it again and wanted to show u guys this.  it really got to me years ago when finding out all this and i thot it was appropo to put it in here:

Not everyone on Earth is from earth. There are those who are here from other planets and civilizations in this and other universes. And though they walk around in human bodies, in truth many have forms that are not entirely indigenous to Earth.

Many starseeds / wanderers feel that this is true, but they don’t have information available to them to confirm it. Many are drawn to animals and other life forms on earth that, in fact, closely resemble their true form. For instance, some are very drawn to dolphins and there is a race of Beings called the Nommons who live on a planet in the Sirius star system.

There are other factors indicating a starseed identity. Here is a list of a few of them.

# They have an intense sense of loneliness.


# They feel like they don’t belong in their earth family.


# They have a fascination with the stars and feel as though their home is out there, but they can’t remember where.


# They begin to question the ways of earth at an early age. Many are the black sheep of their family.


# They are drawn to metaphysics seeking answers to why they feel so alone and why they don’t seem to fit in on earth.


# Many have an adversarial relationship with the parent of the opposite sex.


# The majority of starseeds have the facial shape of their mother but the remainder of their physical body is like that of their fathers, or the other way around depending on which parent is the real parent, the starseed parent from off planet. This is done for a reason. (this really killed me when i first came across it as it may get to some of us on here that were and are esp close to the fathers)

# The majority of starseeds carry the Crystal Gene for DNA Recoding/Ascension. The crystal gene enables them to easily channel and access beings on other dimensions as well as recode their DNA.


# Lower than normal body temperature and inability to handle heat.


Starseeds have at least one parent who is not on earth. In other words they have one parent who is their real parent and one who is a surrogate parent. The surrogate is usually their earth father but not always. Sometimes it is their mother.. And just in case you are concerned, there is always a contract made between the earth parent and the real parent, before the starseed child is born, for the earth parent to stand in for the real parent and to love and rear the starseed child. Many times the earth parent is a starseed themselves.

The starseed child looks more like the earth father to ensure that they are accepted by that parent at birth. In the majority of cases the real father of the starseed is not of human origin.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Thanks for posting that!  Excellent material, and food for thought.