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Hmmm... you are right about that, Summer. I don't remember which book it is in (Seth Speaks?), but it is discussed a bit about Jane having her own life apart from her channelling Seth. I've read two of the Seth books and a part of one. I don't agree with some of his advice, but everyone is different. I will say the material has had quite an effect on my life. Parallel realities and that whole discussion has had one the largest impacts.
As far as integrity, the impression I am left with is that Seth had enough integrity not to try and steer Jane one way or the other. He allowed her to have her own freewill in many matters.
And what he says in Imhotep7's quote is true. But, notice he says "in some ways".
Dependency is dependency. Without self empowerment, health food and supplements will only heal so much. I have seen a woman who practiced yoga and lived the good vegetarian life shopping almost exclusively at the health food store and still pass on from cancer. She also went to Kahunas and other sorts of healers (Reiki being one yikes), but never fully dealt with her anger. Hence she go bye-bye. But, anyway.... I work at a health food and nutrition store, and the behavior and approach some of the people display is nothing short of someone going to Dr. AMA. So, he does have a point in that regard. But, so do you, Zarg. The soil in this country is nothing compared to what it used to be. In fact it sucks. So, on one level they are absolutely necessary to adequate health.
Well, time for a beer and smoke.....gotta wash down those vitamins!;)

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Hourthirteen wrote:

Seth, more than ANY other ‘spiritual force’ paved the way for the New Age (a term I don’t particularly care for) and spiritual expansion…not only in this country but all over the world!

Most of the well known channels and many other writers of spiritual teachings based on self-empowerment ALL credit Seth as the original DOOR OPENER for their expanded thinking! Seth’s book “The Nature of Personal Reality" is known as the metaphysical bible.

Although (in retrospect) there were many precursors pre-1985(23), Seth was the Trigger to Metaphysics in this zone - In fact, this Geometric form, named: S/L-19   

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/ … /SL-19.jpg

Is a Tribute to Seth, Lazaris and the Metaphysical Power of the number 19.
___________________

Talking about Jane, Laura, Jach, etcetera, etcetera and etcetera, is like discussing the mailman and his family:

It has nothing to do with the contents of the letter, and can’t possibly have anything to do with an Individual's Resonance to that message.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/siriarc/SiriusRising.gif

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Hey SiriArc,
Thanks for posting the awesome 'Sirius Rising' sign, and thanks for the link, and your response. I respect what you said. I'll check out the link.
Peace, Summer

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Enjoyed your post, Mystical Girl and the responses you got. My mom got into Reiki but then 'got out' of it. I used to listen to her and my Aunt talking about people they thought were putting their own karmic baggage into their healing. She taught me that all healing was like a hammer...you can use it for good or you can hurt someone with it...but can do neither without their permission. Mom said too many of her clients 'expected something for nothing' ... (not talking money here) and were not willing to look at what could've been the real 'cause' of their problems...wanted to blame it all on something outside of themselves, and then blame healers if it 'didn't work.'
(So guess who wasn't allowed to say 'it's so and so's fault, not my fault ... around my house) big_smile
P,
S

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Hi Everyone,

I only just realized that there was this cool discussion going on in the Health section. I don't always check here, but my guidance was telling me yesterday that I needed to come here and see what's been going on!  Thanks Mystical Girl for this thread.

I'm glad some of the points I raised in my articles have been useful to people.  I've enjoyed reading about everyone's own experiences and perceptions about Reiki. Zarg, that's cool about the pranic healing stuff - you'll see in my article that I also have found that system to be far superior to Reiki.

I've been receiving TONS of letters in response to my articles, and today I posted a follow up letter that responds to some of the main points. This article's themes also tie in to some of what has been discussed here, so I'd love for people to take a look and see if any of it resonates with them.

http://www.lipstickmystic.com/articles/ … aling.html

One person who wrote to me made me giggle....I was told that I should stop having an "emotional charge" around this stuff and that my articles made it sound like I had "something to prove."

Hmm....after almost 20 years working full-time in the holistic health field, over 10,000 sessions with individuals, and tons of observation of other healers and the unique challenges that they face, I tend to think that what I'm expressing is an informed opinion. And my hope is that that is useful to some people. 90% of what I share is based on direct observation, not on theory.  And yes, I get passionate about this stuff because I hate to see healers end up with illnesses and all manner of entity attachments and problems just because they hooked into a questionable healing modality.  So the material on my site is often written in "blog" style, opinionated, sassy, and in your face.

That's purposeful.  It's a point of view I have specifically chosen as part of designing my site.  You see, those articles about Reiki are coded so that if someone is searching on Google for "bad experiences with Reiki" or "bad reactions to Reiki" they will find my articles.  That way, I can reach exactly the people who might truly benefit from the info I'm trying to share.  And yes, I'd like to "save" a few people, which is part of my personal agenda, from having to go through the crud that I've seen people go through as part of receiving, teaching or practicing Reiki. 

What's wrong with having an emotional charge, anyway?  smile  I love passionate people myself and think the New Age community can go way too far with its dispassionate, overly intellectual approach. Sometimes we can get too wrapped up in thinking, but feeling is where all the magic is.

Please know that nothing that I share is meant to dishonor healers or those on the spiritual path, whom I adore and respect. It's meant to serve as a contrarian point of view that just might benefit them.  And if it doesn't and they don't resonate with it, that's fine, too.  They should just tune me out. And I hope no offense is taken, because no malice is intended.

I just feel that if you CARE and you have SOMETHING TO SHARE...then do so with your full passion! That's what's so wonderful about the Internet and about blogs - at least for the moment while we can still all express ourselves pretty freely.  You can use your own publishing platform to express exactly what you are feeling and thinking. 

Okay, I'm getting off my soapbox now. You guys and gals have a fabulous St. Patrick's Day. This is THE day for driving the reptiles out of your life, in one form or another! 

Jennifer aka Lipstick Mystic

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LipstickMystic wrote:

You guys and gals have a fabulous St. Patrick's Day. This is THE day for driving the reptiles out of your life, in one form or another!

I have to ask, what is the connection between St. Patrick's Day and reptiles?

Thanks so much for the follow-up article.  I agree with you about the white light - I've always preferred gold or violet (violet flame,) and I believe they are more protective.

I also agree about the necessity of clearing rather than adding energy to chakras, etc.  The only times I've had Reiki done on myself was by two very advanced and intuitive healers who used it for clearing, and I can't say I noticed any negative effects when it was used like that.

Hourthirteen wrote:

Mom said too many of her clients 'expected something for nothing' ... (not talking money here) and were not willing to look at what could've been the real 'cause' of their problems...wanted to blame it all on something outside of themselves, and then blame healers if it 'didn't work.'
(So guess who wasn't allowed to say 'it's so and so's fault, not my fault ... around my house)

big_smile  That's probably a good lesson to learn early. wink

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Mystical Girl wrote:

I have to ask, what is the connection between St. Patrick's Day and reptiles?

St. Patrick is said to have driven the snakes out of Ireland.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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The false myth about St. Patrick driving the "snakes" into the sea is actually about how the Catholics drove the pagans, the ancient celts, into the seas to their deaths...families, men, women, and children...killing multi thousands. The ones who wouldn't convert and remained the most stubborn to the ancient ways were herded over the cliffs to their deaths. The snake is representative of 'intelligence rising, coiled energy' ... I am mostly Irish and many of my friends are Pagan...I just call it Irish Day ... don't particularly care to pay homage to "Saint" Patrick.  smile
Peace,
Summer

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And considering most of the people on this forums are pagans of some sort. Meaning that there probably arnt that many christians. It is a tad bit strange to celebrate a day dedicated to someoen who killed pagans. Its like celebrating the day of the flesh-eating bacteria big_smile But happy eire day to ye all from the green emerald smile

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I have had good results with reiki.  I have levels 1 and 2, and I do not regret it at all.  I have never had a bad experience with it.  I guess I am lucky because with reiki I looked before I leapt (I don't always). 

I was careful to get an instructor who had deep respect for the original precepts of the founders.  She had "tune ups" done because of what she believed to be flaws in the intent of a person in her lineage who was a direct student of Mrs. Takata. 

Following the above links I found a list of "myths of reiki".  I was not taught any of these myths.

Mrs. Takata had one or more students who were not content to be a steward, or mere conduit of reiki, but took it upon themselves to convolute it with their own ego -- thus the corruption. 

The reiki I learned was so simple and pure, but I can't believe what I see on the internet -- all the variations, dragon stuff, sexual stuff, etc.  All these people have to one-up others and make reiki an ego stroke for themselves.

I agree that like anything else reiki is a force that can be used for good or harm, and people freely do both.

I was in second degree reiki with a woman who could not understand the problems she was having with sending reiki to her daughter.  Her daughter was rebellious, and this woman wanted to use distance reiki to bring her back into line!  Of course, she saw herself as caring, not controlling, and she just did not get it.  We tried our best to get through to her, and the instructor advised her to give it a rest, but it just goes to show how easy it is for reiki, or intent itself, to be misused.

I am immediately suspicious of anyone who believes their derivation of reiki is superior to or more advanced than Usui's, unless it is a different discipline altogether (such as pranic healing, etc.)  I would also be suspicious of any instructor who charges too little or is willing to give someone level two before having (and using) level 1 for six months.

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SeventhSojourn wrote:

I have had good results with reiki.  I have levels 1 and 2, and I do not regret it at all.  I have never had a bad experience with it.  I guess I am lucky because with reiki I looked before I leapt (I don't always).  The reiki I learned was so simple and pure, but I can't believe what I see on the internet -- all the variations, dragon stuff, sexual stuff, etc.  All these people have to one-up others and make reiki an ego stroke for themselves..

I'm so glad that you've had good experiences with Reiki, SeventhSojourn. It proves that it's not necessarily a negative thing, either for the healer or the patient.  I know that my own comments have probably seemed somewhat one-sided because they have expressed the "negative" side of Reiki so strongly. So thanks for providing a contrasting view, which was needed to bring balance.

SeventhSojourn wrote:

I was in second degree reiki with a woman who could not understand the problems she was having with sending reiki to her daughter.  Her daughter was rebellious, and this woman wanted to use distance reiki to bring her back into line!  Of course, she saw herself as caring, not controlling, and she just did not get it.  We tried our best to get through to her, and the instructor advised her to give it a rest, but it just goes to show how easy it is for reiki, or intent itself, to be misused.

You raise another excellent point - namely, that sometimes it is wrong to send healing to someone because it can be inappropriate for one reason or another.

I have witnessed healings in which people tried to perform "sneaky" healings on another person...using different systems, not just Reiki, and the energy rebounded on the healer in terrible ways.

One fellow attempted to heal the father of a friend of his via some "innocent" and well-intentioned remote healing.  The father of the friend had been having a problem with vertigo in his ears. About 24 hours after the session, this healer had the energy rebound on him. HE came down with severe vertigo, dizziness, and overheating as the energy was rejected and returned to him.  So I ended up healing the healer of the effects of the rebounded energy, having to undo all of the energy loops.

I also had two healers perform a "healing" on me without my permission - and I wouldn't have given permission to these two people if they had asked me.  Within a few hours I ended up in the emergency room with severe stomach/intestinal pains. I was convinced I had a burst appendix, the pain was so severe. The doctors found nothing wrong. Only the next day, when I spoke to one of the healers in question on the phone, did he blithely inform me that he and a pal had casually "experimented" on me the prior day and done remote work on me.  Which obviously didn't work! I had been unaware of their work and simply experienced it as severe physical pain.

So, maybe this anecdotal information (and I have tons more I just don't have the time today to share) can serve as a caution.....well-intentioned healers may wish to first discern a) is the person really willing and receptive to receive healing and b) is it truly appropriate for that healer to act as a conduit for the healing, bypassing karmic repercussions or negative energy rebound. 

Because I have to say EVERY healer I know right now is VERY sick, mostly because of ignoring these issues in their own healing practices.

It comes down to asking the question....not CAN I heal someone...but SHOULD I heal someone.  There's an important difference between the two.

It's very hard to refuse to work on someone when they come to you for healing. But often they're not ready, and it's actually inappropriate for you to take their pain or their illness away.

I've learned for instance that some people NEED their cancer or other serious illness because their Higher Selves have manifested the condition for a reason...often as a way for the person to "wake up" and start praying, connecting with Spirit, and investing in their health because these are things they would never have considered doing before they came down with the illness. So their illness becomes a catalyst for spiritual awakening that is very important and personal.

And if you take away their illness too quickly, they don't complete learning the lesson, and they slip back to where they were before in a spiritual sense.

This is hard stuff, because as a healer and empath you just want everybody to feel good and to be whole all the time. You feel their pain and want to put an end to it.

But the more I live and the more I learn, the more I am coming to the view that we are each responsible for our own journey towards wholeness. Healers, writers, teachers, etc. can act as catalysts, but they can't shoulder the burden of our own growth.

That's up to us.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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SeventhSojourn wrote:

I have had good results with reiki.

As have I.  I've had positive results along with the negative.  This is why I don't write it off entirely, but am combing the teachings and practice for what resonates and what doesn't. 

But Reiki has had its upside, though it's had zippo to do with a shoulder suddenly feeling better or anything physical.  Reiki came to me at a time when it was extremely difficult for me to clear my mind.  It helped me experience deep present-time awareness.  I remember a summer night after a healing session with a friend, sitting on my porch and listening to the breeze and insects, and...relieved...my mind wasn't pestering me to do this, think about that: I just was.

I also recall a "Reiki" circle in Chicago: it was difficult to stay in my body for the almost searing, white, tumultuous energy being tossed around.  It literally felt like a washing machine rinse cycle, but in slow motion; my head hurt and my aura felt bloated and like it was hovering six inches above me.  There was no grounding.  And the man who worked on me wasn't alone--all kinds of alarms and bells were sounding when he worked on me, and the whole time I was there.  Regrettably I was too timid to leave.   

Reiki has been contaminated by ego and by misinformation and disinformation.  It's been wedded to unsound New Age philosophies and there a few Reiki practitioners who've been able to extract the pure and discard the poop.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Have enjoyed these posts. I want to comment on Thook's mentioning the dependancy that some people have on supplements. I, my daughter, and granddaughter have all worked in health food stores, and we all have witnessed what amounts to 'obsession' that far too many have with supplements of all kinds...people who spends MANY hundreds of dollars every month. Some people would come in and ask for the 'latest' ones and their reason for taking it was 'so that I DON'T develope such and such' ...
I take supplements ... and I particularly have a lot of faith in certain herbs as well as homeopathics ... but I also know why they are 'working.'
I, too, have witnessed health-food, supplements obsessed people die unlikely deaths because of their fear-based beliefs in the form of 'resistance' "That which I have feared has come upon me" ...
Some day I'll post a new thread called Old Lady and Old Man Wolf ... about this old German couple I grew up knowing in a small community in Kansas...their stories defy a LOT of medical knowitallness. smile I think you might find it interesting.

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I hope you post that story, because I want to hear it.

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c'mon guys an gals.
I can't believe what i'm reading here.

are you healer's or not?
that is the real question.
Intent.
Real healer's really help people that need the help.

Accoss the divide.