Re: True teeth care - re-enamalize naturally

I'm sorry, i couldnt resist to point out that the people from that company desperatly need a new webpage. Just to point out that "Tom of (countryname)" means the same as "gay men dressed in dark leather from (country)" kinda like village people.

So when people talk of "fluoride free toothpase from toms of maine" it rings a bell in my mind and it sort of sounds like "white creamy pudding from village people"...

Its a little over midnight so my sense of humor is a little odd big_smile

32 (edited by visavis 2006-02-17 17:20:41)

Re: True teeth care - re-enamalize naturally

lyra wrote:
Ayahuasca wrote:

I just heard about this company which specialise in making natural toothpaste.

http://www.tomsofmaine.com/

It's good stuff, I've been using them for a few years now.  What's good is they offer both fluoride and fluoride free toothpaste, which is why I use them.  They've recently improved their toothpastes too, both the flavor and quality.  Now they offer fluoride-free varieties that also combat tartar/plaque AND whiten teeth.  It does it all and tastes really good, without the fluoride.  smile  I recommend the Cinnamint flavor.  Yum!

http://www.tomsofmaine.com/toms/product … d=TP%2DTCW

This (Toms) is also the kind of toothpaste that I used for a couple weeks, then my teeth got sooooo sensitive.  So I had to go back to the crap flourided junk until I find something that works for me.... 

It seems the flouride does help protect enamel, however it probably does many nasty things, as most of us are convinced of. 

Still searching.  smile

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

33 (edited by visavis 2006-02-22 17:06:08)

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Hey,

The other day I was shopping for toothpaste again, didn't want to get anything with fluoride in it, so I got this 'Sensodyne Original' stuff.  Instead of the text on the bottom of the tube saying it has flouride, this one has "Strontium Chloride 6H20 (10% w/w)".

Does anyone know how safe/harmful this stuff is?

cheers

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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visavis wrote:

It seems the flouride does help protect enamel, however it probably does many nasty things, as most of us are convinced of.

The only reason fluoride helps protect enamel is because it kills everything on the tooth.. including the tooth, unfortunately.  Also amalgam fillings are known to cause cavities in teeth next to it.  Thus causing a cascade of new needed fillings with each one.

Swishing with colloidal silver, or oil of oregano, will also kill everything, but not the tooth in this case -- as far as I know.

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

35 (edited by Ahurani 2006-02-22 22:22:41)

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Ayahuasca wrote:

I just heard about this company which specialise in making natural toothpaste.

http://www.tomsofmaine.com/

They make a lot of all natural products. Right now I'm using their fennel, myrrh and propolis toothpaste. Tis fluoride free and tastes pretty good.

I have the crappiest teeth. I'm only in my mid 20s and I'll probably have dentures by my 40s unless a miracle happens or I win the lottery. I brush every freaking day but it makes no difference, my teeth just fall apart. I think it's genetic because both my parents and my siblings all have crappy teeth. Anyway, I've always used fluoride toothpaste because I figured my teeth are so messed up I don't want to do anything to make it worse, but due to the persuasive powers of certain people decided to take a plunge and use this Tom's of Maine toothpaste sans the fluoride. I have uber sensitive teeth though, due to all the work that's been done on them, so I always use toothpaste for sensitive teeth. The only sensitive teeth paste that Tom makes is wintergreen flavor and I absolutely loathe mint and will not use a mint flavored toothpaste so don't know what I'm going to do. If anyone knows of some secret magical product that's supposed to prevent the decay of inferior teeth such as mine, please do share.

When I was a child a dentist said he thougt I must have an abnormally high level of acidic matter in my saliva which basically eats away at my teeth and causes mass deterioration. However, all the dentists I've seen as an adult ever suggest, after pooh-poohing this acidic theory, is for to let them write me a prescription for a toothpaste with an extremely high amount of fluoride. Needless to say, I never acquiesced. How does one counteract acidic saliva? Seriously, my teeth are the bane of my existence. They're cursed, methinks sad

"A dream has power to poison sleep"
-Percy Bysshe Shelley

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Montalk wrote:

It occurred to me that cavities and demineralization of teeth may have something to do with acidic pH levels in the body, among other things. Being too acidic encourages bacterial growth in the mouth, weakens enamel, and upsets the natural mineral delivery mechanism from saliva to the enamel. It's known that having too high of a pH (too basic) can cause bone spurs, suggesting that a higher pH increases bone mineralization... at moderate levels it could help re-enamelize teeth. Just an idea.

That definitely sounds like there would be a correlation between pH levels in the body and poor teeth condition, but how exactly does one monitor their pH levels in the body?

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I just switched from Tom's to this one which tastes better to me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/roadradical/toothpaste.jpg
Nature's Gate natural gel toothpaste, when used daily and with proper brushing, helps promote good oral health. Our formulation includes an abundance of Free Calcium (derived from Extracts of Carrots and Calcium Ascorbate), a natural strengthening component of teeth that helps remove plaque. Our gentle, fluoride-free gel also includes a combination of Vitamin C and Silica to help clean and whiten your teeth and Goldenseal extract to help maintain healthy gums.

Ingredients:
Vegetable Glycerin, Silica (Mineral), Purified Water, Hydrogenated Starch Hydrolysate (Corn), Goldenseal Extract, Cellulose Gum (Vegetable), Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (from Coconut Oil), Calcium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Calcium Glycerophosphate (Calcium Mineral), Carrot Extract, Rice Bran Oil, Anatto, Natural Cherry Flavor, Methylparaben.

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Ahurani,

Have you tried "Real Salt"?  I almost died due to flouride reaction.  Since I began using real salt I haven't had any decay or gum problems.  It's a very fine salt and it is not bleached or treated in any way.

Worked for me.

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Pamelajean wrote:

Ahurani,

Have you tried "Real Salt"?  I almost died due to flouride reaction.  Since I began using real salt I haven't had any decay or gum problems.  It's a very fine salt and it is not bleached or treated in any way.

Worked for me.

Do you mean natural salt, like sea salt? Do you use it in your cooking? Is that what's helped your teeth?

"A dream has power to poison sleep"
-Percy Bysshe Shelley

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Being that I live in a dormroom without a kitchen, I do not have the luxory of making my own soap for brushing my teeth with. Does anyone know of any good bar soaps I could buy online that doesn't contain all the bad stuff in regular heavily advertised soaps?

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Ahurani,

I only use Real Salt, for everything.  I use it in my waterpik, having heated water and added the salt to first dissolve it.  I use it to cook, to brush my teeth.  It has trace minerals intact.  The bag gives the net address of www.realsalt.com.  You can probably find out more about it there.  It is mined from ancient sea deposits in Utah.

You will most likely find it as amazing as I have.  I believe it alkalines my mouth so I never have morning breath or bad breath.  I simply wet my toothbrush (super soft is the best for tooth and gum care) and dip the bristles in the salt and ...

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Pamelajean wrote:

Ahurani,

I only use Real Salt, for everything.  I use it in my waterpik, having heated water and added the salt to first dissolve it.  I use it to cook, to brush my teeth.  It has trace minerals intact.  The bag gives the net address of www.realsalt.com.  You can probably find out more about it there.  It is mined from ancient sea deposits in Utah.

You will most likely find it as amazing as I have.  I believe it alkalines my mouth so I never have morning breath or bad breath.  I simply wet my toothbrush (super soft is the best for tooth and gum care) and dip the bristles in the salt and ...

That's awesome. Thanks for sharing!

I believe my local health/all natural market carries that brand. I will look into it.

"A dream has power to poison sleep"
-Percy Bysshe Shelley

43 (edited by thook 2006-02-24 02:36:48)

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Just a few notes to add and reiterate from Judd's info:
Highly acidic foods must be rinsed from your teeth as the acids break down the enamel. Also, sugar alone and in foods create an acidic enviroment in the mouth. Saliva is always trying to keep the mouth alkaline. Starch and sugar digestion begins in the mouth. Starches and sugars are alkaline by nature, and when the saliva breaks it down it creates acid. So, cut down on sugars, if you're eating alot. Even the natural forms.
As Judd says, glycerine in toothpaste coats the teeth preventing re-enamilization. It also interferes with the salivary functions of calcium assimilation within the teeth. Don't use any toothpaste with glycerine, like the one mentioned above.
Also, I find it funny any toothpaste made with calcium to strengthen the teeth is claimed to actually do just that. Calcium, in order for the body to utilize it, must undergo processes in the digestive tract first in order for it to be used. This claim is a marketing pitch. Dr. Hulda Clarke, if you take any of her research to heart, has less than wonderful things to say about Tom's of Maine toothpaste.
As far as toothpaste and flouride is concerned, flouride too must undergo processes identical to calcium for the body to use it. Again, marketing. Flouride is only required in trace amounts. Overuse and in the wrong form actually creates a calcium imbalance and leaching of it. I read some books on minerals and how they interact and bond with each other to be utilized. For example, you must take magnesium to absorb calcium. Minerals bond ionically to form structure. If one or more is missing, the whole structure suffers proportionately.
Vitamin D and A deficiency can also lead to calcium deficiency.
I recently read that saturated fats are necessary for nutrient absorbtion. Coconut oil is a good choice in this regard. Consider that A and D are "fat soluble" nutrients. So is E.
I've known for a while that low HCL acid in the stomach creates poor nutrient assimilation. Some people take HCL tabs with their mineral supplements. Calcium needs a certain pH to be broken down.
Lastly, Pamelajean is correct in her belief. Although, there are other "good" salts out their. "Salt Works" has an excellent salt, in addition to Redmond's. There is a thread in general discussion about salts (sea salt for self-clearing) for further info.
Just some thoughts!

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Soloflecks wrote:

I just switched from Tom's to this one which tastes better to me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ … hpaste.jpg
Nature's Gate natural gel toothpaste, when used daily and with proper brushing, helps promote good oral health. Our formulation includes an abundance of Free Calcium (derived from Extracts of Carrots and Calcium Ascorbate), a natural strengthening component of teeth that helps remove plaque. Our gentle, fluoride-free gel also includes a combination of Vitamin C and Silica to help clean and whiten your teeth and Goldenseal extract to help maintain healthy gums.

Ingredients:
Vegetable Glycerin, Silica (Mineral), Purified Water, Hydrogenated Starch Hydrolysate (Corn), Goldenseal Extract, Cellulose Gum (Vegetable), Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (from Coconut Oil), Calcium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Calcium Glycerophosphate (Calcium Mineral), Carrot Extract, Rice Bran Oil, Anatto, Natural Cherry Flavor, Methylparaben.

Anything hydrogenated is bad news, sister. Nickel, a heavy metal is used in the process. And the starch is creating acid in your mouth. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is also very bad news. Just do a quick search on "the dangers of Sodium Lauryl Sulfate". Add methylparaben to that search, as well.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Matthew wrote:
Montalk wrote:

It occurred to me that cavities and demineralization of teeth may have something to do with acidic pH levels in the body, among other things. Being too acidic encourages bacterial growth in the mouth, weakens enamel, and upsets the natural mineral delivery mechanism from saliva to the enamel. It's known that having too high of a pH (too basic) can cause bone spurs, suggesting that a higher pH increases bone mineralization... at moderate levels it could help re-enamelize teeth. Just an idea.

That definitely sounds like there would be a correlation between pH levels in the body and poor teeth condition, but how exactly does one monitor their pH levels in the body?

There are many good books regarding this subject. Off hand, one I can think of is titled "Alkalize or Die". The title is a bit extreme, but they are trying to make a point. pH test strips are used to monitor your body pH. Via testing your saliva and urine from day to day.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant