An open letter to David Icke. (Page 6 of 10)

And when someone feels the need to point out their superiority to others, they have a problem.  If they really felt good about themselves,
they wouldn't need to do that.

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not here for validation, but to share thoughts and ideas.  That's the purpose of a forum, after all, and that's what I'm doing in this thread as well.

What can I say, I'm not perfect! (((SIGH)))

Because, as I said, I took it as a sign this was something I needed to look at in myself.  I see this in you as well.

I agree.

That's right, you don't know

Great post, Christine.  Well, sometimes arguing can be fun, and productive.  And in the larger picture, it's just one more facet in the sparkling crystal of love. 

But I've said all I have to say here for now,  heading out...

Um, no.  It's more like what I already said:  "Somebody said this to me over on another forum, and I thought it would be a good idea to spread the shite around!"

Or,

"Tag!  You're it!"

Or,

Just seeking attention, to draw people into neverending pointless conversations with you that go on and on and on and on, for pages.   

That's such a load of crap.  "If I REALLY felt secure, I would NEVER, EVER, EVER, under ANY circumstance EVER mention ANY of my positive qualities, and NEVER mention ANYTHING that I'm good at.  EVER.  Because then it's just me saying that I really feel the opposite about myself!"
 

Neomatrix said it best though, and it's worth highlighting again:

See, I guess it's "OKAY" when 50 people on the forum mention to me, "Oh Lyra, you're a great writer!" 

THEN it's okay.

Then I'm supposed to shuffle my feet, look at the floor, (figuritively speaking, this is a messageboard after all)  blush, then be all "Aw shucks,"..............then deny it, and say no, that's not true, put myself down with a few self depreciating insults so as to not appear "egotistical" and to make everybody else feel comfortable about themselves, and that would be okay.

But God Forbid I go, "Hey, you know, I have a unique writing voice..."

And the room gets silent.   Jen pipes up, "Get over yourself!"  "You have a superiority complex!"  "You obviously are insecure about yourself to even have to ANNOUNCE such a thing!"  blah blah blah. We even got one comment about me and my supposed "back patting" !  Gotta love it!  I think it really is what Neo said -- it dredges up the insecurities latent within others who read it.   They get a little squirmy inside.

Synchronistically, David Icke wrote something about this very thing, actually.   This is an Icke thread, so it's fitting to mention it.   But you can find this in his book, "I Am Me, I Am Free."   There's a whole section devoted to the idea of how society has ingrained us to think negatively of ourselves, and to deny ourselves self love and appreciation of our good points.  We're fricking EXPECTED to make self-depreciating comments about ourselves and put ourselves down to bolster everybody else around us!

Think about that one for a second!

And we're seeing a real live example of it, right here, in this thread.   One little comment from me acknowledging what dozens of other people have already said about me and all hell breaks loose.   Why?  Because this time, *I* was the one saying it, not others.   *I'm* expected, according to society's "rules", to be self-depreciating, to say, "I suck, I can't really write, people just say that to make me feel better, I suck, they're all better than me, thanks guys, I know you mean well, but it's not true what you say about me, I suck." (shuffle the feet, blush, feel humble, and state some more that I suck.  Then everybody around me breathes a collective sigh of relief, feeling better about themselves.)
   

Thank you.  Amen to that.  Take note, Jen.

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Lyra, I think you're a great writer, and your posts are some of my favorites... but when I read this, it seemed to be putting down all of the other great writers on this and other forums, of which there are many.  (I don't include myself in that group, by the way.) 

Just look at all the fabulous, insightful and well-written posts in this thread before it degenerated.  So many amazing writers here - it astounds me.  It seemed like you were just grouping them in a "sea of sameness", which didn't seem fair.  Everyone has a unique voice and perspective, but even so,  it is still very difficult to match up a piece of writing with its author... which may be why nobody realized the post was by you.

I think that's why it made me uneasy.  Not that you aren't justified in claiming you're a good writer, but that you seemed to be implying that all the other good writers have no originality or unique perspective and therefore all sound the same.

That's probably not what you meant, but it did read like that, which really surprised me.

Anyway... I know when someone says something to me that I don't want to acknowledge or look at, I tend to feel angry and defensive.   It's great to be strong and assertive, but sometimes being defensive just keeps us from looking at something we don't want to see... or even worse - it keeps us in conflict.

In my opinion, judgment and the need to be right are the two greatest obstacles to spiritual growth and unity.

When faced with conflict, I try very hard to look in the mirror to see if there's something for me to learn or improve - to see if someone's perception of me holds something useful for my growth,  often some aspect of myself that I don't want to own.  To go on the offensive against the mirror holder defeats the purpose and causes a missed opportunity.  (Although for the record, I still do plenty of that also, unfortunately.)

At the same time, I was surprised at the tone of Jen's original statement, though I could kind of see what she was getting at because your post came across to me as a put down of the other terrific writers.    Jen's original post seemed like kind of a knee-jerk, ego-check response... and maybe she did really think she was being helpful in pointing out how what you said was received.   Still, it did seem very harsh, and I don't think the eye-rolling icon was particularly necessary or helpful either.   I think that made it seem more incendiary than it would have been.   

I have a very spiritually evolved friend who loves to call "ego" even when you're just trying to express your point of view... and sometimes it's a helpful ego-check, but other times it is not really welcomed, if you know what I mean.    So I can relate to your response.

I hope my post made some sense.  I have great respect for both of you and no intention of fanning any flames.

Peace. 

Good idea. I would like to start.
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Neomatrix,

Allow me to begin
my post with a try at
tongue-in-cheek humor
to lighten the mood here:

"So I guess you'll be changing your name now?"

To be fair, I have read your entire letter and tried to see it from your perspective, as well as my own.
You say quite a bit, and so in order to give you meaningful feedback I should focus on the crux of it.
Often times, people fall into the trap of responding in a "debunkeresque" way, replying line by line.
Back in the days, people wrote entire letters to each other. You digested the whole - then replied.
I'm going to focus on just two words you used, both powerful words, and with that power comes
the need for balance. Which means looking at all possible perspectives and comparing each to
the other, being careful not to place too much emphasis on any one perspective. The words:

Integrate -and- Transform. And which, I will note, you used only once each in your letter.

Balance entails examining the appropriate definitions, and thoroughly considering all.

INTEGRATE
INTEGRATE
To make into a whole by bringing all parts together; unify.
To join with something else; unite.
To make part of a larger unit.

TRANSFORM
TRANSFORM
To change markedly the appearance or form of.
To change the nature, function, or condition of; convert.

Thus, it seems obvious that the words transform and integrate are intimately related.
In the process of unifying many parts, their very nature may be converted, into a new
"smaller" version of the whole. In the context of your letter, we're talking about people;
about integrating knowledge and understanding to facilitate mass spiritual transformation.
What you wish for Icke to do, is take what he's learned and build a larger framework for it.
Take the open mind and expand its awareness such that our global problems can be solved.

But balance should remind you that "it ain't that easy" to enact large-scale change. It happens
often times when we least expect it. And sometimes, it doesn't happen because we wanted it to.
Further, change at any level will usually produce resistive response in the person experiencing it.
Even learning, a positive change, is seen by some as an admission of lacking knowledge and thus
is not pursued to the extent spiritual transformation requires. What is often overlooked when trying
to understand the pace at which large-scale change happens, is that on all levels, that which is to be
changed is going to resist. TPTB resist changing the system.... individuals resist changing themselves.

Now to change things up a bit, let's reconsider the word integrate on its own.
You want Icke to unite his information into some kind of "higher level" tool...
Well, what if that isn't possible? What if he has connected everything he can?
What if, in spite of actually figuring out how the system works, it's too strong
to be affected by small-scale changes?? Three possibilities come to my mind.

(1) Some of TPTB enact large-scale change, legally or illegally.
(2) Some of WTP enact just the right small-scale change to
     bring about a large-scale change, legally or illegally.
(3) Some external cause enacts large-scale change.

It seems to me that the most likely option: 3.
Will TPTB just up and give their toys up??
Are We The People going to get the
critical mass required to make
a good enough small-scale
change? I think Icke
just does what
he can...

Each of us should do what we can. Slowly but surely, that's what I'm doing.