Contradiction in David Icke's teaching? (Page 2 of 2)

I like your last statement onionworld. I believe he is genuinely trying to help people wake themselves up and break dogmatism as opposed to erecting a different one. However, like we all seem to agree upon, the "bandwagon" effect definitely is real. I call it parroting. People believing without thinking and reitterating like a parrot (who doesn't understand the true meaning of what he's saying)  defeats the purpose of learning and knowledge because your no better off than you were before. You've just redecorated your prison cell. So some people may actually take for cash what Icke says, which is not what he would want, and that's their own fault. So in a sense, I guess you are right that Icke MAY be creating a herd-like following similar to cults, I don't know. But there is nothing he can do about it, it is just people missing the point of his teachings (like Jesus, except Icke is no Jesus:)). It happens.  That's all for me.

Most people who feel that they have had a "peak experience" or time of spiritual illumination describe sensing the essential energy that pervades creation, and they perceive this as a vast, amazing, love force.

This is how everyone who has shared their own "enlightenment" experiences with me describes it. That's somewhere in the range of 1500 people at last count.  My own experience happened at the age of 16 and is pretty much indescribable. You'll accuse me of being a hippy chick   (Not that there's anything wrong with it!)

Does the concensus view of so many people mean that everyone will experience "enlightenment" in the same way?  Maybe not.  But there are an awful lot of folks who speak about receiving higher wisdom this way and seeing that, when the veil of this world is stripped away and you can see the Infinite, well, "infinite love IS the only answer."

But if infinite love is the only answer, maybe we'd better work out what the QUESTION is

All I know is that my experience changed me forever and turned on all of my circuits....psychic abilities, budding until that point, became full-blown.....I went around blissed out for a year with pure love and perceived NO duality in the world.......I went through what David Icke refers to as his "purple" stage because he rather infamously appeared on TV wearing purple and was made fun of. I think he was also saying he was Jesus at that point.  Jesus was at that level of consciousness, so Icke wasn't wrong

I think that when people raise their consciousness and successfully GLIMPSE that Creator/God/Great Spirit/Universal Energy/Big Puppy or whatever you call the divine essence, it's hard to describe what you sense, it's so multi-dimensional and experiential and vast.  But, the common words used by everyone I've talked to are.....

IT'S  ALL LOVE, MAN.  That is all it is, all we are, all that is.

Does this mean that everyone who has experienced deeply illuminating moments is in that altruistic loving state 100% of the time?  No.  I was there for a year.  Adulthood hit shortly thereafter, and boy, was that a crash landing!  There's not much room for a 100% love gushing chick out there in the real world.  Then I went through all my experiences with predator energy.  Predator energy envies the love state but can't directly enter into it, so it seeks "proxies" to feed off of. And so I moved on through a series of vampire boyfriends, business associates, and friends. And lots of lessons learned.

Some twenty years later, I've learned enough techniques to "pick off the ticks" and to remain relatively open, clear, and in good energy most of the time.  I consider that a great blessing.

It's very hard to reenter into the "real world" when you've gone 4-D or even 5-D for a period.  This place just doesn't make any sense when you come back. You don't even recognize your own species, really. You don't feel like one of them anymore. (And no, I didn't "come back" thinking I was an ET or renaming myself Aloha Starchild or any of that bunk.  I just felt very different from the average "Muggles" I saw roaming around, I couldn't identify with their drives, the things that motivated them.) I often wonder if autistic children are simply out in 4-D without a road map to come back "home" into 3-D.

This spiritual dislocation you go through after "illumination" can then be the burden that you carry for the rest of your life. You're always try to show people how they can access that other level of awareness, but mostly, they just think you're a loony and are more interested in making a buck and being miserable. Pretty boring, most of humanity is.

At this point in my life, I've learned to embraced my looniness.  It's the happiest, best way for me to be.  God forbid I ever "grow up" and enter into the stodgy, stale, rigid reality that most "adults" live in.

Here's to remaining a loony child, and to staying attuned to love as much as possible, without losing sight of the reptiles always nipping at your toes.

Jennifer

PS I was just writing about the enlightenment experience, David Icke, and more at my blog yesterday. You're welcome to have a peek: 

http://www.lipstickmystic.com/blog2.html

Hi Jennifer with one "n!"

I love Alice in Wonderland and Lewis Carroll's whole "outsider" thing. Okay, so he had a strange attachment to little girls. He still rocked as a writer!  Ever read his "Hunting of the Snark?" Absurdity at its best. "For the snark WAS a boojum, you see!"

I've always gone by "Jennifer," never been a Jen or a Jenny.  Jennies are cute, freckled, and short.  I'm tall, pale-faced, and well, cute on a good day, scary on a bad day!

Nice to "meet" you, J!

Jennifer aka LipstickMystic

I have just been reading and listening to new Ickestuff  for the first time in many years...

there is an obvious contradiction with him in that he doesn't seem to see that his world view is also just an illusion, His Illusion- he needs to see that there is something  IN CONTROL and "negative"- in an interview he gave a formulation (which belies this view however) which is not new and that i agree with which is basically this-

we live in a universe of energy; there are laws (like physics etc) which govern it:

there is a system of reciprocal maintenance, feeding, energy exchange;

we humans are energy upgraders and exchangers and as we live under cosmic laws this is our lot full stop- to feed something  system;

our world is a 'prison' because as we are, unaware and hypnotised and blind to the real processes going on, we only do our energy exchange stuff unconsciously/automatically and therefore we are not in control of ourselves or our "destiny" (for example the energy required by a particular "cosmic process" requires a large amount of energy so the laws start to "play" and somewhere down here people start killing eachother, or maybe there's an earthquake or something)....

So it's all mechanical and unconscious including those who "rule" us- it's not personal and it's not organised.

The way out for the individual is to find a way of supplying the requisite energy needed by the "matrix" whilst keeping enough of the stuff for your own evolution/ development/ awakening/ and escape- which is to become more conscious.

It is thought that a long long long time ago, somehow, earthlings had a better idea of all this and provided the energy consciously and voluntarily- and thus there was a balance.

Love is an "energy", a state of being, a level of consciousness- all our loves (romantic, filial etc) are just pale imitations, the merest "astral wiff' of the Real thing....sometimes through "peak experiences" and so on we can be touched by this "energy" (through grace?) and then we know, Yep!  it IS all about LOVE man!

And then after the experience we are back down here...knowing about Love but unable to generate it...knowing that this Love could change everything....

i think the only thing we can do is to keep plugging away, step by step at trying to volunatrily "donate" the energy to the "matrix" and not leaking any that is left over- bit by bit we increase our own personal stash, for our own use (which is to grow in being which leads to Love)

lala

Hey Onionworld and all the others. Am new to this and maybe have a different perspective on things as I have done Ayahuasca. I understand what David tries to get across but unfortunately words cannot do it justice for it is a feeling that I never had experienced until I came into contact with Ayahuasca. Infinite love is a feeling he tries to put into words, a feeling you have never had. That is how I experienced it and it was total happiness. No need for any societal BS, no need for identity, no need for a label, no need for a past nor a future. Just "being", without anywhere to go or stuff to do. it has nothing to do with religion either, cause in my view religion equals control etc.