The Mystery of Jesus (Page 10 of 12)

i checked out that website and it is Boyd Rice.  i believe his friend/girlfriend is Tracy Twyman--they are Dagobert's Revenge.  really neat stuff there but nuthin new i don't think in the articles section since 2004.  they r prolific researchers on ancient history, grail lore, merovingian flavored everything--hence the name of their magazine/website.  they believe, after researching french mythos, history in the languedoc and other relevant regions of europe, that the british monarchy (see--it's ALL connected, i LOVE it) are not the REAL purveyors of the THRONE but are imposters.  when u read ancient history and study about Pepin The Short, about the priest castes, the ministers of ancient palaces and kingdoms (and this can be traced to Egyptian monarchies, in addition) u see how this and other similar levels of evil/liars/powerbrokers "took over" kingdoms, politically manipulated the throne(s) and took actual bloodline power away from the REAL heirs to kingdoms.  this ends with the british royal family of today and i can easily see how, as u will, how David Icke insists that the queen can shapeshift into reptilian forms, etc.  it IS RELATIVE to history, ancient blood-lines and i think it seques into who was genetically derived from who or what.  it just has to.  i think the whole thing about RULING Classes, KINGs, kingdoms, etc., all came from alien influenced worlds.  the whole IDEA about LOOKING UP for a king? Ruler?  master?  looking UP to the sky came from this as did human sacrifice, blood ritual, etc.  POOR Jesus, what a story, what a responsibility.  there is so much on him.  he is a key definitely to our/this part of the universe.  z

in response to kid mongo--the suffering quotient.  it's ridiculous, ludicrous.  even buddha and buddhists detest suffering.  suffering is not the way to sainthood.  martyrism--again not necessary for increased learning and enlightenment BUT it does lead u there, ppl that have suffered do gain enlightenment, eventually.  i also as akid went to different churches, was attempted to be raised caholic, saw the rituals at an early age, got kicked out of catechism classes after the nuns tried to put me there when i criticized the concepts of naming all the sins of man and the necessity they had for categorizing them.  they knew they had a trouble-maker with me.  it's all about ritual. it hypnotizes, that's the plan, the purpose.  as far as a planetary logo goes--it's about BLOOD and power, domination, CONTROL/KONTROL.  i saw thru it all as a kid, still do.  organized religion, the opiate of the masses.  i don't think he died for anybody, that's a political forced notion.  the message there is go against the power-brokers and YOU DIE--we kill you.  that's why it's an improper, mystical planetary logo.  who in the -uck would wanna visit a planet that projects that if ur peaceful, enlightened, advanced?  that's my point, that's why the visitors are here, in part--they instigated that, they are OF it.  that is why we have to rebel, always.  we have to lift the veil by imagining a different world, where that logo no longer represents.  "they" want ppl to identify.  it's all scare tactics.   i am sick of it and look forward to 4d-5d where that crap is unnecessary.  can't wait.  wait everyday.  wait and wait and wait.  i am here to see this facade destroyed.  oh well.  z

nah.  they knew they needed to shut me up as they thought i needed INDOCTRINATION.  i couldn't be indoctrinated, brainwashed.  little kids there were already deep in it.  i agree, beautiful cermeonies, gorgeous surroundings, beautiful RITUALS.  beware of rituals, weddings included, i will even throw in funerals, and frickin holidays, for that matter.  they had their rituals, ceremonies to complete that day, i was just in the way,  they had no time for me, they shoved me off.  i loved it.  there was no way i was gonna "change" or enlighten anybody then.  i was merely a snag and had to be removed.  WRONGO though, it made me continue to SEE, KNOW, EVOLVE.  i didn't make fun of anything, i mertely requested explanation and logic, they didn't have time or energy for that.  obviously--i needed to get my mind "right"  as in that line from the movie Cool-Hand Luke..."the boy/girl has to get his MIND right , what we have here is a failure to communicate..."  hahaha, yeah, right.

Hi kid mongo, thanks for sharing your story of how you got into all those different religions.  Like you, I appreciated many aspects of the Catholic faith.  In some ways it is a very mystical religion--although I was never subjected to much dogma, which made it easier for me to appreciate those aspects. ( I can understand why zenden rebelled in Catholic school, but at the same time, I am really very grateful for my own experience there. )  And like you, by the time I was in college, I had dismissed religion as a fairy tale or "opium for the masses."  But, poetry was my religion, of sorts.  It seems that I was always drawn to the mystical side of ife, in one way or another.

Thanks too for sharing your spiritual awakening and discovery of Seth Speaks.  That book was life-changing for me as well.  At times while I was first  reading it I felt like I was tripping, or that the top of my head was coming off, it was so consciousness-expanding!

Re the crucifixion--I used to think the same as you, zenden, that this symbol was a control mechanism, spreading suffering by a kind of osmosis.  But now I don't think it's that cut and dried. As kid mongo says, Jesus came to earth to suffer with us--to fully experience the
trials of the material realm.  And this is what made the teaching of redemption all the more powerful.  From The Challenge of Fate by Thorwald Dethlefsen:  "Jesus was born into poverty in a stable, he associated with tax gatherers and prostitutes, endured injustice, torture and death, and descended into hell. Not until man has descended fully into darkness is he ready to begin the upward ascent...The crown of a tree can only spread and develop to the degree that the roots are extended. If it neglects its root growth in favor of the crown it will be toppled by the first gust of wind.  The upward thrust must always be anchored in the opposite pole. You cannot transmute darkness by not looking at it; you have to transmute it into light if you do not want to drag it behind as your shadow."  Dethlefsen goes on to speak of the "life-affirming nature of the original Christianity (primitive Christianity,
kid mongo?), "however much the Church later distorted this into its opposite. Herein lies the secret and strength of Christianity: to recognise the world and mankind as sinful and yet to affirm them in their sinfulness...The fall is the descent from unity into polarity. Man per se is sinful only when he exists as a polarized being. This is what is meant by the concept of original sin."

Another interesting take on the crucifixion is found in the Bartholomew channeling by Mary-Margaret Moore, where the words Jesus uttered on the cross, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do" is interpreted not as Jesus instructing God on the importance of forgiveness (which is ridiculous on the face of it) but as a plea to us all who came to the earth plane after that moment:  "In your most extreme moments, your major obligation to yourself and to the whole mess of Life is to continue to manifest the love, beauty, power, and acceptance of your destiny as it is given to you...the path of the warrior
is to know every event comes to remind you of why you are here: To love to the best of your ability, to be as accepting of all parts of your life as you possibly can, and to remember there is a Power that exists, without question, and It runs your life.  If you depend on it as He did, you also will be carried Home."

Those are both positive and constructive ways of interpreting the crucifixion, I think.

Yes...the Bible stories are myths, but they have their own reality, in fact Seth says that myths are vast psychic dramas, more truthful than facts.

I don't believe that God "wants" us to do this or that, or that there is any judgment at all involved.  If anything, we judge ourselves and decide, on a soul level, what needs balancing (as opposed to punishment).

God (or All That Is, which is one with our soul) is not particularly results-oriented.  It's all about the journey, not the destination. Or more precisely, it's about being fully present in our here and now experience.

I'm all for everyone following the path that is right for them, and I agree that those who have turned away from religion can be every bit as
intolerant and  dogmatic as any religious fanatic.  I think orthodox religion serves a purpose, although I confess I see it as being pretty limited as far as encouraging genuine spiritual growth.  Jung said the problem with religion is that it keeps us from the true religious experience, or direct apprehension of the Divine:

-- (Carl Jung, The Undiscovered Self)

Well, as I said before, I have no beef with people following the path that they feel is right for them.  Many religions say or imply that their approach is the only right one, and I do have a problem with that.
In the last year, a childhood friend came back into my life, and I was delighted.  We had a couple of visits in which we went pretty deep into our thoughts and feelings about the past we'd shared, and I thought our friendship was going in a very positive direction.  The last time she was here, she spent the night in the guest room,  and the next morning,
she wanted us to read from the Book of Mormon together.  Since I'd never read that book before, I was up for it, and I quite enjoyed that sharing.  When she left, her last words were to give me the church's website location, and to ask if I'd like a copy of the Book of Mormon.  I said sure (perhaps a mistake on my part).  I never did check out the Mormon website, and I've only glanced through the Book of Mormon since it arrived.  I realized that she probably wanted to convert me; she'd stated firmly that she believed Mormonism was "the one true Church."  I wrote to her thusly:

That was last month, haven't heard back from her since.  So, as you can see, Haven, I am more than willing to allow others to have their beliefs.  But if mine are different from theirs, and they can't accept that (as is the case with many religious people, not just my friend)
it does not bode well for communication and friendship.   What can you do?

This whole issue of allowing others to believe what they want, while holding firm to our own beliefs, without feeling the need to defend them, is a biggie.  We certainly see the struggle here at NR as well as between the orthodox religionists and the Gnostics/New Age/Pagans etc. 

Having said that, I think argument and conflict in general can be creative if we don't let our egos take over.  It's a fine line to walk, and we have to know when to stop...