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Re: A Demons Perspective

Hi BB,

That beings stem from the light, for me at least, has been born out through reading in many texts that it was so, and then experiencing it as so, although I fully see where you are coming from.
I have always equated with light with Unconditional Love - the Prime Creator.

I believe you are correct when you say that we are stronger when we can admit (omit?) that negative gives birth to the positive as you wrote, though is this not a question of perspective also? a question of duality, and the dualistic world we live in? insofar as we perceive this as being negative, when in the wider perspective, if the average human being knew beyond a doubt that he/she was infinite, then negative to positive is seen as the completion and start of cycles and that all is experience whether positive or negative? Is it the average human beings fear of their own death that paints an event within their lives as positive or negative in effect? afterall a negative event for one person can be a positive event for another.

I am not 100% sure about colours but does white light not contain all colours?

I think the whole issue of judgement is a very fine line to tread which is what I was hoping to point out - we live in a dualistic reality, thus value judgements. We do all have preferences, wishes and desires.

My understanding is that judgement is mostly first about self (ego), which is then projected onto others, projection being mainly a defence mechanism of ego. Nothing wrong with ego, but plenty disturbing with ego that dominates the individual which is not what it is supposed to do.

When higher faculties are enlivened, ego starts to fade away and thus judgement starts to fade away. This leads to a more unified way of seeing events and thus people in ones life. It is not a process of logically not-judging, it simply happens and is a blessing.

You wrote "But there are an equal number of those in the dark that prefer manipulation via chaos and vampiristic methods".

Yes they do because this is all they have learnt and for them it is normal - but it does not remove the fact that they originally stemmed from the light and over time, have largely become devoid of light.

Great threads so far and all very fruitful - it has been challenging for me to answer some of these and I am grateful.

I hope that time will tell whether I am a spinner of disinformation and manipulative installer of guilt.

Warmest regards

JT

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JT wrote:

I believe you are correct when you say that we are stronger when we can admit (omit?) that negative gives birth to the positive as you wrote, though is this not a question of perspective also? a question of duality, and the dualistic world we live in? insofar as we perceive this as being negative, when in the wider perspective, if the average human being knew beyond a doubt that he/she was infinite, then negative to positive is seen as the completion and start of cycles and that all is experience whether positive or negative? Is it the average human beings fear of their own death that paints an event within their lives as positive or negative in effect? afterall a negative event for one person can be a positive event for another.

I think a time comes when a person asks questions that answer themselves. This is a sign of intuitive strength in a person. Therefore I have no urge to add to your thoughts (for now). I might want to add that I believe all light-workers at this time have lived brutal incarnations as humans, basically commiting every crime imagineable. That is because we light-workers, we study our TRUE assignment the best way possible: By being the enemy. By being the dark, we learn the dark. By learning the dark, we understand the dark, and by understanding the dark, we can overcome it when the time comes to do so. This is why some of us may share phobias from heights, certain insects, etc. These are connected to the ways we met our deaths in previous lives.

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When higher faculties are enlivened, ego starts to fade away and thus judgement starts to fade away. This leads to a more unified way of seeing events and thus people in ones life. It is not a process of logically not-judging, it simply happens and is a blessing.

Highly important. I have been reflecting on this in the past two days (12:11AM). The ego is subsiding. I'm very happy to observe this in my character as I've always connected the ego with the negative thirsts that arise from the control triggers within our programming.

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I hope that time will tell whether I am a spinner of disinformation and manipulative installer of guilt.

I think a person who says such a thing can only be described as a light-worker. From your posts I've had nothing but positive thoughts in regards to your character and your intentions. You have my vote. smile

Check out the thread at http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=221

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I am not 100% sure about colours but does white light not contain all colours?

I might have to research that statement before I answer. Our favourite colours may be important. The ones we chose as children. Mine is RED and I believe it is because it is in our blood, that the cells with safe-storaged information reside. I was surprised for you to bring up the colour topic so close to my decision of posting in regards to it. smile

18 Reply by Christine B. (edited by Christine B. 2004-05-18 02:06:07)

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the anti-socialism of young children - I have not taught at Kindergarten, but my daughter is still at Kindergarten and it is amazing to watch the group dynamics at play. Though as far as I am concerned a childs anti-socialism is everything to do with the childs Primary Authority Figures in life, be it parents, grandparents or Kindergarten teachers.

It has been demonstrated enough times the most formative age for a child is from 1-6 years old, though they are still highly impressionable from 6 yrs old to adulthood.
Children learn from these authority figures in life what it is to be a human being and how to act in any number of circumstances and they also learn through a process of enculteration in the wider society and from the media.

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Many of the mistakes that parents pass on to their children are incredibly subtle forms of manipulation and ways of being and are completely unatural - do you see jealousy, hate and humiliation taking place in nature?

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Hello JT,

Thank you for your response and obvious care you wrote in doing so.  I appreciate it.

But since we've agreed to disagree, I want to point out that I am talking about anti-social "personalities", NOT occasional anti-social behavior.

While it is true, that children form a great deal of their "view of the world" and thus the patterns they exhibit throughout this life from their parents, an anti-social personality did NOT become one from a poor THIS life environment.  Even the most abused, unloved SOCIAL personality will not become an ANTI-social personality in ONE/THIS lifetime.

Ergo, a TRUE anti-social personality arrives into THIS life, AS an anti-social personality.  After many many lifetimes of going further and further down the spiral into darkness.

Which makes all the modern psycho-babble completely meaningless with an anti-social personality.
But WORKABLE with a social personality.

So, when I mentioned teaching young children, as in nursery school, I was pointing to observing LOTS of young children over time.  It is highly possible that in observing ONE nursery/kindergarten class you would not see an anti-social child BECAUSE the percentage of TRUE anti-social personalities are only about 2% of the entire population.  Also, a true anti-social personality is not necessarily apparent, but extremely covert and one tends to think it's the person yelling and making a fuss who is "anti-social" when in fact, it's the quiet one prodding him or her - behind the scenes.

But...all this said...we concur about 9/10th of what you wrote.  And thank you for clarifying you were speaking of the handling of entities, not physical anti-social people.

However, my main point which you clarified two posts of yours ago, was to point out to others reading this not to mess with entities.  Don Juan cautions this as do many others.  And you did as well.  So thanks.

One thing...I think mentioning about "time will tell, if I'm a spinner...blah blah blah" is the type of comment best omitted.  Why?  It elicits "reactions" as in BBs post to you - which further elicits reactions from others like...oh gag me with a spoon <grin>and so the emotional roller-coaster continues.

One of the hardest lessons I am learning is how to communicate without pushing buttons - it's nearly impossible, BUT I find I'm getting better IF I stalk my motives HARD.  (ie. am I trying to get sympathy? empathy? irritate someone?  make someone obliquely wrong?  etc).

Thanks again for your communication.

Christine B.

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Addendum to anti-social personality:

All beings are BASICALLY good (ie. from the light).  The operative word is basically.  How deep, how far does one have to go to reach the good part of the anti-social personality?

Pretty deep. Far deeper than I am currently willing or capable of helping.

Therefore, I give anti-social personalities - when found in my environment - a huge wide berth. 

Best,
Christine B.

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Christine,

Everyone has an agenda. Maybe you're right about holding off any triggers to be expressed in ones writings, but sometimes one cannot help it. They cannot help it because they feel it's acceptable to write with emotion. Because emotion has its place, as one of the main things that connect us to our higher-selves.

Or at least this is what I believe. A single sound can have a tremendous effect if it connects with an emotion. A single thought can shiver and rattle an army of warriors if it is connected with emotion.

To deny ourselves of triggers, is to deny ourselves of allowing those emotions to surface. But I also think you are correct that it may be the safest way to "stalk" motives "HARD". I respect your thoughts on the matter and maybe I should practice it more. I think it comes down to the audience and my comments were directly to JT. I think no harm, no foul?

Our motives are always there in 3D. The question is, do our thoughts and actions elicit hidden motives and hidden agendas? I hope mine don't. Sometimes I believe it is ok to express ones thoughts to another; to encourage, motivate, and above all try to express the thought that communicates to the other that their thoughts are shared.

Namaste.

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Here's something I've been pondering - do etheric thoughtforms contain a core of light? What I mean is, any sentient being whether human or demon contains a core of light because it originated directly from the light. In the case of a demon, this light became heavily suppressed - there are sessions transcribed in William Baldwin's book on spirit releasement therapy that indicate this - but fact is, the demon still contains a core of light, comes from the light, and therefore should be acknowledge as such. This is one of the points JT made, which I agree with.

But thoughtforms don't come directly from the light, rather they are generated by the freewill thoughts and feelings of those who come from the light. So they are second order creations whose nature is independent of any decision by the Creator itself.

Example: an individual containing a core of consciousness (godspark) has the freewill to act independently of the Creator, as that's the meaning of freewill. Then say he chooses to ignore divine principles and instead falls for self-generated illusion, collecting numerous false and dark thoughts and feelings, which then take shape as thoughtforms on the etheric level. Then these thoughtforms are entities created by the illusions of man, not by the will of the Creator. How can they have a core of light if they don't come from the light?

The point is, if the above reasoning is valid, then here we have an example of something that neither contains light nor comes from it. Thoughtforms can become quite powerful and may begin feeding at large to sustain themselves. They can grow to the level of what we would call demons. If so, then some demons may not contain cores of light, as they are 100% creations of illusions and darkness to begin with. What hope is there for them to recognize something that does not exist within themselves? And what should our approach then be regarding these entities if we nevertheless seek to be compassionate and understanding?

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Hi,

Very good point Tom.

If I understand this correctly then the assumption is that: negative thought forms, because they are secondary, cannot contain light?

If the above is correct then we also have to assume the reverse for positive thought forms thus: positive thoughtforms, because they are secondary, contain no dark.

I can only say that in my own experience I know of no negative thought form/entity/attachment or similar that would not return to Light in the correct circumstances. It would be irresponsible of me to outline a detailed process here, but basically when showing these entities the light it is not a mental concept but a feelings concept. They are instructed to look inside themselves (this works differently and more quickly than in 3d) and at times it can take a while for them to spot it, but they ALWAYS find their light, and then it is expanded slowly, and they become like frightened children - and then they feel and experience the Light in all its power, warmth, strength, protection, safeness and unconditional love - its can be very moving when it happens.

Also I think something about the Holographic Universe is relevant here but I am not sure what.

Will keep on thinking this one over,

Warm regards

JT


Note to self: Do not write such long posts UNTIL your assumptions have been agreed to be correct or incorrect :-D

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JT wrote:

If I understand this correctly then the assumption is that: negative thought forms, because they are secondary, cannot contain light?

Yes, that is the question I'm pondering. What you said about thoughtforms being sent to the light reminds me of the concept in Matrix Reloaded that programs could be sent to the Source.

Also, it's possible that something may contain light energy, but perhaps not a 'core' of light. This is the difference between a soul imprint and an actual core of consciousness.

Or perhaps it contains a core of light, but it sucks in more light than it gives, thus appearing black and dark. What I mean is, thoughtforms are enlivened by emotional energy, and even the darkest of emotions seem to merely be heavily distorted versions of the most basic of true emotional energy, love. Light is light no matter how low the frequency.

So maybe even the darkest of thoughtforms contain some form of light, but if they suck in more light than they give, they would be like a black hole - which appears to be black but actually contains photons it has swallowed and thus indeed contains light.

This goes back to the idea that two beings can have cores of light, but how they interact with other beings can differ. One may stiffle the light of another, and one may radiate light to uplift another. If this depends on their freewill choice, then we aren't at complete liberty to convert a dark being into light if the being doesn't choose this - unless by sheer force we are able to override their decision, unless we can talk them into seeing the light, or unless they flee out of fear.

I think this can be done more easily on the etheric/astral realms since it seems divine laws have a greater force there. Here in 3D, a dark being (say a psychopath in the flesh who chooses to ignore all pleas to find the light within himself) seems less subject to divine laws due to the causal and heavy nature of 3D physicality.

The point of all this is to better understand how to act in accordance with truth/wisdom/divinity while 'handling' heavily STS beings, both physical and etheric. We know that cleaning up your spiritual blemishes helps avoid attracting them in the first place, but let's say you find yourself in a situation where you must deal with one. What are some tips to consider? Carlos Castaneda wrote about this in the sense of dealing with petty tyrants. So the works of Castaneda and Theun Mares may be useful here, as they deal with warriorship that takes both physical and nonphysical factors into account. Something left to discuss more deeply...

Well, just brainstorming...

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Montalk wrote:

To add one last point, if STS is imbalance and STO is balance, then surely STO evolution would require an integration of the dark and light halves of oneself, both the Self and the Shadow. It would require a complete understanding of the dark half of oneself, and the inner nature, rationale, and placement of the archetypal STS being in the general scheme of things.

In other words, STO isn't about thinking love and light and ignoring the dark and the shadow, but understanding and integrating those under the command of the divine aspect of oneself.

Absolutely! To be in command you have to be Aware.


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The fact is, if they cause trouble and suck your time and energy, get rid of them. BUH bye. This has already clearly been stated multiple times here, so I'm not sure what part of that isn't making sense.

However they are there to teach you just as much as anybody else. In fact they are better teachers than the ones who tell you only what you want to hear!

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An entity who doesn't respect YOUR freewill by attaching itself to you against your will doesn't doesn't get a "choice". If somebody came up to you in public and suddenly latched themselves onto your leg, or clamped their teeth down on your arm and didn't let go would you "engage in dialogue" and "ask" them to leave??? "I'm sorry sir, but could you kindly remove your teeth from my arm, it smarts....."

I feel that the agreement to be bitten must have been made at some level. They are many ways to over ride Free-Will. Not just the obvious ones. If the choice is made at a certain level of your being I feel It can be perceived as an over riding of your Free-Will at another level.

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b) much of the thread relating to the matter of OP's leads to increased seperateness and wholly judgemental rationals.

That's the problem I think. However it is about saving your energy rather than giving it away to Darkness. I do not think OPs (assuming there is such a thing, which I will) are to be chainsawed but since we are dealing with what is supposed to be a "different race" we have to adapt our thinking to "theirs". (I think I read that here actually)
Why not see "them" as our poor cousins who are not yet able to fend for themselves and are being mercylessly abused by "STOs"?
In practical terms saving Energy and using it effectively makes a HUGE difference in ALL aspects of Life.
I always try to replace the word "evil", "manipulative", etc. by Ignorant. It makes you see things in a different light. Isn't Satan the Temptor? Once again I believe "evil" is also there to strengthen you within an Evolutive-Life-Direction, simply in a different way than that of the "Love and Light" Teachers of this World. I believe there is some evidence in the book of Job of Satan (or the other one) renuncing Heaven to take the role of Temptor OUT OF LOVE FOR GOD.

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The domino effect of one exalted being can make a difference that is very complex, yet very vital to the entire Universe. One person can have effects on many.

Yes, We are All One, Holographic view of the World etc.

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I often work with a combination of pendulum and guidance to determine whether an entity is lying to me or not (I have not had the pendulum or guidance give me a contradictory answer so far)

Have you tried David R. Hawkins' method? Try "The eye of the eye" or "I".

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