Re: trauma based mind control

I know exactly where you're coming from, Auendove!

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

Re: trauma based mind control

I have a few moments and would like to make a comment about MC/negative programming. Number one, why in the hell would we have agreed to subject ourselves to it, that is if we were aware of what we were getting into when we incarnated? Were we frickin' bored? I seem to have always dealt with a push-pull regarding material of this nature and spiritual pursuit. Kinda like standing at the edge of the diving board.Yes..no... yes...no!I don't think I am the only one. But, for me I tend take info and chew on it and see where it takes me. Also, if I am reluctant to post it is sometimes due to having strong reaction. I have moments of peace and understanding and then I am a basket case and can't concentrate. This last stuff has definitely been powerful in it's impact. I just don't flow like the kitty. But, on a positive note, I could learn.

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

33 (edited by lyra 2004-08-25 15:07:42)

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thook wrote:

I have a few moments and would like to make a comment about MC/negative programming. Number one, why in the hell would we have agreed to subject ourselves to it, that is if we were aware of what we were getting into when we incarnated? Were we frickin' bored? I seem to have always dealt with a push-pull regarding material of this nature and spiritual pursuit. Kinda like standing at the edge of the diving board.Yes..no... yes...no!I don't think I am the only one. But, for me I tend take info and chew on it and see where it takes me. Also, if I am reluctant to post it is sometimes due to having strong reaction. I have moments of peace and understanding and then I am a basket case and can't concentrate. This last stuff has definitely been powerful in it's impact. I just don't flow like the kitty. But, on a positive note, I could learn.

I know what you mean.  Anybody who's found themselves doing through this, or even suspects that this could be happening has to ask themselves "WHY??"   One thing I've considered is that in going through it, one could help others.   It takes one to know one, right?  What better way to understand the situation then to throw yourself into the situation head first?  Then turn around and use that experience to help others?   ie:   Writing.  Speaking.  The internet.  Books, magazines, articles, radio shows, t.v. shows, messageboards, websites, etc.   Everybody has their own karma going on, so we can't understand everybody's reasons for allowing themselves to be subjected to it.   But certainly some of the victims willingly have allowed it in order to turn around and use that to help others, wake people up, bring this subject out into the light and expose it by writing about it or speaking about it, or both.   Not all mind control victims are going to find themselves equipped with effective verbal and written skills which would get the word out there with impact.   But the ones who do have those talents should use them, I think, to speak up for the ones who can't / won't.  That's how I see it, anyway.    I've wanted to be a writer since I was 10 years old.  That's when I first started declaring that I was going to be a writer when I grew up.  This isn't exactly what I had in mind though.  wink   Never envisioned this in a million years.  However, the writing I do now, versus what I originally intended, (fiction novels, screenplays) is far more effective I think.   But still, again, this wasn't what I thought I'd be doing.   Who knew?  haha

I don't know, just tossing stuff out here.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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34 (edited by Auendove 2004-08-25 15:22:06)

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thook wrote:

I have a few moments and would like to make a comment about MC/negative programming. Number one, why in the hell would we have agreed to subject ourselves to it, that is if we were aware of what we were getting into when we incarnated? Were we frickin' bored?

These are some of what my thoughts have been the past two days, and as well at other times. I have also comically wondered if I'm like some kind of "cosmic gamer" having entered into the most impossible of game boards, like a way messed up maze, and whoever figures it out first gets to "win". Some other of the harder aspects to deal with recently were--

1. Where in the hell were my parents when all the "shitty stuff" was happening to me as a kid? Where was their wisdom when I was left in the care of grown men, sailors, as my babysitter when I was a little girl?  This is an ugly one, and worked real good for creating a "flow".  If feels good to finally look at it, address it, and clear it out.

thook wrote:

I seem to have always dealt with a push-pull regarding material of this nature and spiritual pursuit.

2. Given the likely possiblity that my physical and etheric body have been tinkered with, then... just who the hell am I?  Am I a "real" person. Am I genuine, or just contrived. And having to ask questions like this is also enough to make anyone weep, and loudly.  Thank Goddess I have a rock solid and interested in the outcome core being, or I don't know what would've happened to me at a few different points the past two days. And as well, two dear friends, both of whom (oh too funny again, I at first wrote "both of home" instead of "whom") have been on or are NR members "held my hand" through the process.  One of them furiously IMing with me at 4AM my time. They each helped me to hold onto the notion that I am an authentic being, even if I've been mucked around with.

thook wrote:

I just don't flow like the kitty.

big_smile  Do you need a pinch?  You know, one of those pinches that tells you whether your dreaming or not? 

I'm just joking Brother/Man, I don't think I could pinch you to hurt you even if it was in your best interest.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

35 (edited by Auendove 2004-08-25 15:27:12)

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Oh yeah, where's my head?, so were lyra and arronfirebrand very helpful!  Thanks to you guys too.  I especially liked this from lyra--

lyra wrote:

You don't have to post things that you don't want to post.   The rest of us will pick up the slack in that department!       Trust me on that one!  hehe

And trust you on this one I do. wink

and from afb--

arronfirebrand wrote:

I have an idea that this MC stuff is a lot more prevalent than is apparent. On different levels and to different degrees, we are all used and abused until we scream out the window like Howard Beale in Network: "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!"

Yeah, "mad as hell" was some of what I did during that afternoon and night too, and the next day, right along with the leaking. wink

EDIT--Actually, it usually takes me getting mad as hell before I actually can start the leaking process.  Frustration, you know.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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I have some responses to this, but gotte go. Thank you all. Later!

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

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Ha, Ha, Ha... and ooey-gooey chocolately things help too.  They bring courage! wink  No... really it's true you guys. In fact, I'm eating a fudge iced eclair as I write right this moment... and I can feel my daring growing!

ROTFLMAO!

Oh ick... this eclair is frozen in the middle.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Let us remember time is simultaneuos. So all messings around are actually happening in the now. What is this shadow I feel over my shoulder? Oh my God! It is a 4D chocolate eclair!

" Then it was, then again it will be. And though the course may change sometimes rivers always reach the sea." Robert Plant

39 (edited by Auendove 2004-08-25 18:30:51)

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Uhn-uhn... dude, it defrosted and I ate it. It's been in the void for quite awhile now, soon to be heading for a swirling vortex near to me. It must've been something else you were feeling over your shoulder... duhn, duhn, duhn!

big_smile

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Oh man thook!  I'm remote viewing your auric field to see what's over your shoulder... it's one monster organic pork rin'... whoa Brother/Man... duuuuck... right now!

Shoo-whew!  You must've picked up on me psychically, you ducked just in time!  Boy, but that was close!

big_smile!

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

41 (edited by lyra 2004-08-25 18:46:48)

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Anyway, to get this topic back on track, I thought I'd post this since I mentioned it earlier:


Live to Tell
Madonna

I have a tale to tell
Sometimes it gets so hard to hide it well
I was not ready for the fall
Too blind to see the writing on the wall

A man can tell a thousand lies
I've learned my lesson well
Hope I live to tell the secret I have learned, 'till then
It will burn inside of me

I know where beauty lives
I've seen it once, I know the warmth she gives
The light that you could never see
It shines inside, you can't take that from me

A man can tell a thousand lies
I've learned my lesson well
Hope I live to tell the secret I have learned, 'till then
It will burn inside of me

The truth is never far behind
You kept it hidden well
If I live to tell the secret I knew then
Will I ever have the chance again

If I ran away, I'd never have the strength
To go very far
How would they hear the beating of my heart
Will it grow cold
The secret that I hide, will I grow old
How will they hear
When will they learn
How will they know

A man can tell a thousand lies
I've learned my lesson well
Hope I live to tell the secret I have learned, 'till then
It will burn inside of me

The truth is never far behind
You kept it hidden well
If I live to tell
The secret I knew then
Will I ever have the chance again

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Here's an interesting link... that's on topic. wink

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/lammer2.htm#toc

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Auendove wrote:

Here's an interesting link... that's on topic. wink

big_smile   haha   Thanks for the link!  I have Dr. Lammer's book called "MILABS", and this is a follow up article to that with new information.  Can't wait to read it!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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lyra,

I'm telling ya!  On the heels of the past week reading his stuff is pulling together a lot of memories/occurances in a way that actually makes sense to me, and I just can't believe it!!  Will wonders ever cease!!

It finally makes some kind of sense now with all the pieces coming together; though sense as in: some questionable "puzzle pieces" (i.e., humans and grays both being perps, along with other issues/pieces), pieces I couldn't see fitting together before because of their "form", are now layed out before me creating a complete picture. And I can look at the picture objectively.  Whereas making sense of it subjectively cannot yet be focused on as objectively... if that's even possible, but I do feel encouraged that it can be possible.

I'll have to dig and explore how in the bigger picture this can all become absolutely sensical. I fall back on the old questions, though rhetorically, "Where is the Christian God in all of this?  Where is Buddha, Allah, Christ, etc. in all of this mess?"  "Where in THE HELL is my Higher Self in all of this????"  I know I'm not alone in asking these questions, they're questions that have been asked infinitisimal times.  And I also don't mean to be disrespecting any of the aforementioned spirits/people, but these are very real human questions!  I see they are and have been asked on this forum board before for one reason or the other, not just about this subject matter alone.

lyra, and any others that can comment, since you've "read the book" and have surely thought about it, can you even see a bigger picture and make sense of it yourself?

I hope it isn't too personal of a question to ask, but what gets you through your day? 

At what point do your thoughts become organized enough to function like a "normal" human being? I ask this question this way hoping to avoid a blanket response of "I do it just because I have to", something I myself have said many times over. Although if that's where you're at too, then that's all you could share. wink

I ask these questions of you because you've openly discussed some instances in your life of MILAB and alien agenda abuction... big_smile and also because of your "picking up the slack" comment.

I've tried before to see the bigger picture as "Everything happens for a reason" and "I agreed to this experience before I ever came to life, sooooo...", with FAITHFUL acceptance of those notions (and this may very well be the bottom line regarding the topic material as my core being instinct tells me), but if I don't challenge myself now given I have surmounting questions about my current belief system and this subject matter (heavy sigh... and even further) just because I won't know what to "believe in" then (and this would be the "brick wall", the growth impediment I think I'm experiencing), then I may as well be just as blind as one who is led by the false precepts of organized religion.  I'd just be a sheeple of a different FRE... LOL!!!

You know, it's funny because I did all those jigsaw puzzles the beginning of this month because I knew I needed to focus... it must've made for good practice!  And last night I just had to have a new one, and I bought a bigger and harder jigsaw puzzle (Snicker! Snort! Though not as hard as the one I had in my other hand, a round fractal one) to, well, challenge myself. hehehe.... I wonder what this focus will bring to me?


manyeagles,

I may have to get out my six pack of "Cling-on Begone" hairspray for this one! big_smile

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
------
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
------
If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

45 (edited by lyra 2004-08-27 06:36:38)

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[NOTE:  I posted this before seeing your post Auendove.....let me go back and read your post and respond to it a little bit later........]


After reading that article I feel motivated to post something about my experiences, and how they correlate to the Helmut Lammer material, and other material I've come across on this subject.   

Some things Helmut talks about either in the above posted article or in his "MILABS" book, which I've seen or experienced to some extent:

"MILABs have ''not only'' alien abduction experiences, they report that they were kidnapped by a certain branch of human/military personnel, they were drugged, taken to hospital like rooms and (under)ground military facilities, they saw men in white lab coats, they were examined, interrogated and sometimes implanted with military devices."

I have had "dreams" in the recent past where I am wandering around some hospital place, walking down the hall, through some double doors, looking into the window of some room that has equipment in it and the lights out.

Had a dream as a kid (which I've mentioned here before)  where I was in some huge place that was like the size of a warehouse or something, and there were adults in white coats.  I was standing there looking around while two of them talked, waiting for them to lead me to where we were supposed to be going.

Another memory when I was really little, like no older than 3, lying stomache down on a table in a small room with lights but no windows.  There were several people around me in white coats.  I wasn't scared or terrified or anything, but I wasn't bursting with fruit flavor either.  wink


-  In the book "MILABS" there's this brief reference to MILAB abductees remembering being in some place with gangways / walkways, whatever you want to call it. 

When I read this, I remembered a memory flash I had back in 2000 one night when I was relaxed.  One minute I was lying on my bed with my eyes closed, relaxing.   The next, I see myself standing in this huge place that has no windows but has lighting.   Maybe underground?   When I look down I see that I'm standing on metal grating on some walkway  thing up in the air.   There are escalator type metal grating stairs in front of me.  I'm just standing there, on this walkway looking around at this huge place, in a daze.  The same feeling as those "hospital" dreams I would have later.  It's like I'm allowed to wander around and explore in my sedated state, because what am I going to do.........?   Run off.......??!?   ha!   


"Is there a military interest in developing brain implants, virtual reality bio-chips, holographic image projection, cloaking devices, mind altering weapons,...which would support the hypothesis that such secret experiments on humans are going on hidden inside black projects?"

Cloaking devises - I once mentioned on this forum that I had an experience where someone was in my apartment, and had arrived via my walk in closet with a bang and a crash.  The closet door was open, enabling them to leave the closet if they wanted and enter the apartment.  I kept getting glimpses of something black and shadowy moving very quietly and slowly over  outside my closet area.   After that, I made sure to always keep the door closed.

As far as holographic projections are concerned......absolutely.  This is something my brother relayed to me back in 2001, said they were doing this.   I can confirm that the various technologies I've read about they do actually possess.   Implants, thought modification/voices, cloud shaping, cloaking/invisibility, "Beam me up Scotty", etc. etc.   

These people have too much time on their hands is all I can say.   They waste all their time messing around with stupid technologies, experimenting on the population at large to test them out, and for what??   Seriously, why?   Stupid question, I guess.    They love the power.   They feel the need to derail people who otherwise would have done positive things had they been left alone.  Did I mention power?   Yup.   That's a big one.

Anyway, just some random things I thought I'd write about.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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