Warning: The Drugs Don't Work (Page 2 of 3)

Yes, it seems very valid to say that these different drugs will conjure different energies / entities. Your attitude also effects the outcome of your "trips" so to speak.

what Ermolai said sounds very reasonable. heroin would equate to some devilish demonic dark force, while LSD could appeal to your mind and spirit, disguising itself in enlightment- much like deceiving angels/aliens do.

but does that mean there aren't any positive forces/energy/entities found in any "drugs" or natural herbs/substances? i dont think so.

for example a friend was telling me about his Ayahuasca trip (no, it wasn't Andy!! haha) and his story was like this:
This man wasnt into drugs at all, never even puffed weed. He's a veteran, and a humanitarian. Very spiritual guy. He said one time they invited him to try Ayahuasca ceremony. So he did, but when he started tripping, he said that negative energies/entities (known as "Brujos" which loosely translates to Witches) tried attacking him. The shamans could worried because this is supposed to be a bad omen... So they mixed in what he said was a "protector plant" in with the Ayahuasca, and this man drank the new "potion" - and he said that then, he saw the 'protector plant' MANIFEST into an entity that proceeded to fight off the energy attack of the "Brujos"

quite an amazing story, and i can only imagine how it was actually experienced...

my biggest consideration on drugs and all of this, is whether or not it is natural. you are far better off with natural things, not synthetic ones. this isnt to say that all natural drugs are positive, nor that you should get juiced up on natural drugs all the time...

remember that the purpose of living in the physical is to experience all that we can!

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At one time I found cannibas to be a real sanity saver . It helped me relax , dispell anger and frustration and get in touch with the real me. However there are safer, less controversial ways of doing this, meditation etc.
  Perhaps the most dangerous thing about psychoactive plants is the fact that they are illegal, therefore, putting one in a posistion of potentially having to deal with very negative person in order to obtain them and also there is a danger of lacing with other  harmful drugs( also, be cafeful who you smoke it with!).
  Also, I feel one can become too dependent on these substances. I know from my own experience the panic that can ensue when they are not avaliable. Stopping smoking weed which is being used to allieviate psychotic symptoms is equilivant of abruptly stopping any anti-psychotic medication. However, if it were legal, there would be little danger of running out since it is an herb that grows everywhere!
  I believe that if one used cannibas to help learn other coping and relaxation stratigies, then when the stuff no longer works for them, they will have other methods of relief available to them. And Yes! I found that after 15 years of moderate use, cannibas no longer had the effect I was looking for and was a waste of time and money to aquire it. It's kind of like at some time one must stop reading the book and start applying the knowlege obtained from it.

Lyra, you said, "The "hitchhikers" looked like a glowing sparkly comet trail, trailing behind him as he walked, that's the only way to describe it.  I've never seen anything like it before. "

I have, in several "Diet Coke" commercials. I always wondered what they could represent, and what you said just sparked a connection.

As for drugs, I have only smoked weed (sometimes a bit much for a day but never for prolonged periods) and taken shrooms twice now. I started smoking as a smart but very sheltered 14 yr old, and it quite literally blew my mind open, for the better I believe. After becoming familiar with the effects, I used it to my advantage. For me, it was an extension of my own mind, unlocked from the years of cult religous indoctrination (my parents are Jehovah's Witnesses) and other events in my life that no doubt put psychological barriers into place. I used it for bettering myself, not just getting "high". Plus it allieviates physical symptoms, like my acute asthma which can make it hard to sleep. I can also endure much more physical activity when high because I can breath better, not to mention the lowered body temperature and dilated blood vessels associated with cannabis. Cannabis can even reduce the cholesterol and junk in your body.
And my brother can see better without glasses while high, and has since started manual eye excersizes to strengthen them instead of just crutching them with glasses.

I dont see a reason to completely stop using it though at least in my case. As it has been said, cannabis is a natural plant, here for a reason I believe. And hopefully I can put two things I love, hemp/cannabis and growing those plants together, as the U.S. is introducing a bill to allow hemp farmed for industrial purposes. You can even run a car off hemp bio-diesel, or turn it into alchohol and run any engine without the need for oil and gasoline.

Positivone,

Wrong, Brother-Man!

There are more, than less, exceptions to the rule. What is unseen may simply not be known, yet will approach an adverse effect and affect on one's life.

Why do you think it is that habitual drug and alcohol users are "out of touch" and in struggle with their lives? An answer would be that it's not just because of the substances, alone.

While I am not jumping down your throat here, and I've not lived the life of a saint, I think it may be that you, and others, are still not yet completely, fully informed about the ins and outs, and prevalence, of discarnate attachments due to substance abuse.

I recommend, before you speak so confidently about the "majority of drug users," that you read texts about the subject matter written by researchers whom have done intensive investigation into this subject matter.

One text that will open your eyes is written by Edith Fiore, The Unquiet Dead. It's just a 'lil and oldish book, yet it's full of big information and examples to peruse, despite it's size and age. Read it, and then come back and talk to us about "exceptions," eh?

I've sat in on Spirit Releases wherein an individual had picked up a discarnate energy due to substance abuse. Indeed, the discarnate spirit was released from the person's energy field, and they felt "recovered." Yet, because the person didn't cease the ingestion of whatever substance it was that brought on the attachment in the first place, they quickly became reattached by the same energy, and then came to feel like kwap all over again.

There is a particular thread on NR from about a year or so ago wherein this subject matter was discussed, about substance attachment, but I was unable to locate it. Along with my suggestion on that thread to read Fiore's book, I'm pretty sure I remember LipstickMystic suggesting another astute author who also had researched the area. LipstickMystic, if you are reading this, then please chime in with the author I seem to remember you referencing.

I myself at one time had to expend much energy and precious time extricating a discarnate "feeding" energy from my life-force due to one night of partying wherein I became "attached." For about 20 years I didn't know "she" influenced my life in a negative fashion, subtle albeit it was. Once I finally got her to "let go," my life did change. For 20 whole freaking years of my life I had absolutely no idea I was being adversly affected by another I couldn't see because they didn't have a body of their own. She had mine to use, while I used.

There's another issue that arises from abnegate drug use, the drug itself can become lodged in one's cellular level, as a memory, and pester the pee-wellin' hell out of one, regardless of one's no further use of the drug. I, too, know this from experience. From that point being made I also suggest you, and all other experimental drug users, check out this thread--

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2109

And, don't let any of us, me included, ever fool ourselves into thinking that any drug, any substance that isn't a naturally occuring element of our native body energies/chemistry, isn't a drug. As a plain and simple fact, our bodies do not produce THC as a part of its natural chemical process...nor alcohol, nor Extasy, nor cocaine, etc..

This is my personal view, and personal experience--no substance will EVER do for one's spiritual growth what one can do for oneself through honest and pure self-actualization.

I am 47 years old. I have experimented with my body with substances. I have experienced others' issues with substances, those in and out of body. I have been educated up one side and down the other about substance abuse as a college student of Human Services. I have even done my time as a substance abuse counselor, earning a living doing as much in a Methadone Clinic (some scary she-ite there, with the opiates)...I do feel qualified in writing this where substances are concerned--

While choices are many, exceptions are few.

Have fun y'all, you young'uns. I sure did. But please, be safer and wiser than was I. You are precious. You are a larger part of our future than I now am...and one day, you'll likely be raising others. Take care, and make wise, informed choices. Prepare yourselves to one day be the informers to those less informed, without harming yourselves in the process.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

Good points all.

From my experience much depends on the substence, environment, souls/personalities involved along with numerous other factors when it comes to drugs and drug abuse. 

One night of drinking/snorting/shooting can f*ck you for life and for other people it might just give them a bad hangover.  There have been some substances that I will not touch, period.  I just get a weird feeling whenever I'm offered them (commercial cigarettes, coke, meth, ketamine, heroin come to mind)

The right amount of (pick your favorite psychedellic) might open you up to the infinite/spiritual and change your perspective for the better or it might drive you completely nuts and cause you to commit yourself to an institution or worse.  I've seen both cases.

Are drugs bad?  Maybe.  Depends... you won't know unless you experience though.  If you do experience, look before you leap.  Don't go overboard, sometimes it can be a long swim to the shore. 

We also can't forget that we are inundated with "drugs" on a daily basis.  Chemicals in the air, water, food, medicines, etc designed to slightly alter us mentally and physiologically.  I'm sure most of the people on here recognize this.  Sometimes I wonder if people who don't notice effects of spirit attachements and energy body changes from drug induced states are just numb to the constant barage of stimulants we experience on a daily basis. 

Soloflecks:  Your comment reminds me of a piece out of Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut.

So I said good-bye to government,
And I gave my reason:
That a really good religion
Is a form of treason.

Religion equated to marijuana smoking or any drug cult/culture.  Some people just do things because they are illegal and get enjoyment out of it, even though it leads to their eventual downfall.  When I look back on some of the stupid things I did, I realize that a big reason was because of this.  I wouldn't doubt that a lot of the pot smoking culture was manipulated to get them into a constant state of apathy and believe it was somehow "good" for them.  Then again for some people, I genuinely believe it helps them... just depends I guess.

I have only ever tried mush's, mary, lucy, and salvia. It seems to me these substances can indeed open you up to the reality/unreality of your mind/the mind and present an opportunity to see the illusion and make choices. Given that one may not be entirely in control of their experience even when not on these substances, one is open to manipulation in areas that may before have been "untampered with". Kinda like,"Well, the door is open now. Who's going to walk in? You or someone/something else?" I tend to believe a subtance is neutral, speaking for only the one's I've tried, until one has associated what they experience with the substance itself in their own mind. When one has a weakness to begin with, being opened to the realm of possibilities in the manner of substances can go either way. As in which way is one leaning to begin with. It's the same choice whether one is "on" these substances or not. Anything can be used as a facilitator for self-destructive tendencies.
Just my experience/viewpoint.