46 (edited by bumblebee 2005-03-31 16:57:19)

Re: Terri Schiavo

For me there is a difference between execution and active euthanasia.
I understand that for some parties (for example the vatican) there could be no difference and they would equal the two. This is why I point out another view on the matter. I was aware that some US states implemented the death penalty by lethal injection and I don't equate it with active euthanasia; although you tend to end up with a dead body there are different motives.

Terri's 2-week slow burn death from dehydration and starvation was absolutely inhumane.

I don't see it that way, I understand it can look that way and if you are convinced that Terri is conscious and struggling against it (like her sister said?) it would be inhumane, but so would be a lethal injection.
It's generally considered a humane (and legal) method. Use of lethal injection in hospitals is not legal, although considered humane (i think not in that context) and legal in a deathrow setting.

IF they were going to kill her, which is what they did, plain and
simple, then why not at least do it humanely?    Why should a person
who's convicted of murder(s), rapes, terrorist acts, etc. receive a
quick, humane, painless death, while an innocent woman who's never
hurt anybody should die a long, drawn out, torturous death?

Because active euthanasia on Terri is not allowed in that state at this moment - even so like I said: it's considered to be painless.

lyra wrote:

they made the decision that they were going to kill her?
Does this make sense?   Maybe to you, but not to me.  THAT was the
point I was trying to make, bumblebee.    If they were going to
"legally" kill her, why not make it as painless as possible?

Yes, I think there is little difference between lethal injection and this method
(physical) painwise (if you would discount the timeperiod). I understand that there is a difference of view whether one thinks Terri is conscious or not. For me it makes sense because I think she was in a PVS.
Maybe people find me naive here but I buy the official line, I don't see a 3D conspiracy (but i can speculate on a 4D one)... but I haven't seen the husband's interview yet - my view on him may change.

lyra wrote:

So bumblebee, if someone punched you out until you were
unconscious and half dead, and then you woke up in a brain damaged
state, completely reliant on others for your survival....including the
person who punched you out in the first place........ and then those
people eventually ceased your food and water supply while you lay
there, helpless in bed, unable to do anything about it, you wouldn't
consider those people to be killing you?

Yes, that would be a relatively painless murder, a murder nonetheless.
It would be killing.
If I was in PVS
-after looking into the 3 nurses, ex-girlfriend usw I still
currently think Terri was-
...and someone who knows me well (and loves
me) would decide it's enough I would consider it passive euthanasia,
not murder. I agree that the end result (me dying) is the same but
there is a qualitative moral difference - even if I was not in a PVS.

Perhaps for some people the case is clear because these people want a clean and clear view with a guilty party - for others the case is clear because they have reviewed all the facts and came to a personal look on the matter.
The whole public debate about Terri seems to be more about emotions, politics and morality then about Terri, a reflection of the 4D play - clash of the titans, fighting in heaven. There are clashes and earthquakes closer to home too, and don't forget the pope.

As a sidenote: Perhaps I come across as nitpicking in general for some, if so I apologize. Just ignore me or drop me a line about how irritating i am offlist I'd like to know as I am probably not aware of it.

the eyes of truth are always watching you

Re: Terri Schiavo

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo … read=68403

rumor mill wrote:

There may come a time when your sickly child will be torn from your arms because the cost/benefit ratio is not acceptable to the powers to give them the medical treatment they deserve and need to stay alive and they will be put to death or given a slow starvation like Terri had. How will you answer that child when they ask, “Why daddy, why don’t you help me? Why are you letting them do this to me?” 

What happens when we get old and need medication to stay alive and are told, “Sorry, we can no longer afford to give you this medicine.” 

What if you get injured and simple but expensive care will get you back to normal and you are told, “I am sorry but our records show you will never make enough money to pay for this life saving benefit and you will have to be terminated.”  For the good of society of course.

Think this is too far fetched, think again. In Nazi Germany if you care to check, the German people were told something to the effect of this. We want to give everyone medical insurance but there is just no way unless we eliminate the sickly, the retarded, the mentally ill, and others like those. Race and religion soon played a picture in this “cost savings”  policy. The people jumped on this horror against humanity just so they could get their piece of the pie, to hell with the rest. To hell with the helpless.

and just the other day i read that the papers in florida were touting that keeping terri alive threatened the medical care programs for the elderly...hum...coincidence?

and not to forget that now michael says she was so peaceful with her favorite stuffed animal, flowers and music...gee, why would he not let her have flowers, music and a stuffed animal before murdering her?

and to bumblebee...like i said, it is some nifty ocean front property i have for sale...can't beat it, in the heart of arizona...

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

48 (edited by palulukon 2005-03-31 19:48:24)

Re: Terri Schiavo

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo … read=68389

The occult numerology symbolism in these dates cannot escape us.

Terri died on the 31st after starving to death for 13 days

that is a mirror, they do this a lot...

13/31

not to mention that 13 is a very highly important number for them...

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo … read=68387

and when a reader wrote in to say that I was wrong in my analysis that the Pope and Terri could be the two witnesses, I wrote the following to clarify that I believe that they are being used as SYMBOLIC STAND-INS for the two witness, here is my reasoning on that....

******************************************

MY REPLY TO A READER RE: TWO WITNESSES
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo … read=68336

Hi,

Yes I agree with part of what you say about the two witnesses that they are God's prophets, it is just that the real world would not get that symbolically.... there is no way for them to send the message that the two witnesses are being taken out as no one knows who they are.

I believe that in order to send the message to the masses that the two witnesses are being removed, they are using the Pope, God's "official" witness on earth and Terri as symbolic "stand in's" for the REAL two witnesses to send the message in a way that EVERYDAY people might "GET IT"... see where I am going with that?



palulukon writes...
and it is being reported that terri's brother was thrown out of her room...the usual media blah blah...but just maybe her brother wanted them to not give her a shot to send her off...just speculation...like, kill terri before the parents could arrive...

just poking around...

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

Re: Terri Schiavo

for inquiring minds...michael, such a bastion of honesty...

in 1990 terri collapses...

then in this testimony

http://www.sweetliberty.org/bulletins/terri/vows.html

November 19, 1993 Deposition of Michael Schiavo

 

Q. Are you presently involved in a romantic relationship with anyone?

SCHIAVO: Yes I am.

Q. Are you involved in an intimate relationship with this person.

SCHIAVO: Yes I am.

Q. Is this the first relationship that you’ve been involved in since your wife has been in a coma?

SCHIAVO: No.

Q. How many other relationships have you been involved in?

SCHIAVO: I was in one other relationship.

Q. Was it an intimate relationship?

SCHIAVO: Yes.

January 27, 2000 Trial Testimony


Q: Mr. Schiavo, since Terri’s incident, did you have any intimate relations with another woman?

SCHIAVO: Yes, I did.

Q: When did that occur?

SCHIAVO: Approximately 5 years after the incident. I don’t know the exact dates.

Q: How long did this relationship last?

SCHIAVO: Approximately 8 months.

Q: Do you currently have an intimate relationship with a woman?

SCHIAVO: Yes, I do.

Q: How long have you known her?

SCHIAVO: 5  ½ years.

palulukon writes...

gee, anyone see a discrepancy with the timelines...hum.  but ya know, just comforts the hell out of me that michael and felos were with terri in her final moments...wonder what they were really saying to terri during her "peaceful" death.

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

Re: Terri Schiavo

http://media2.libsyn.com/podcasts/catho … ponses.mp3

recorded on "good" friday...a painless death eh?

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

Re: Terri Schiavo

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/pics/033105benson339.gif

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: Terri Schiavo

lyra...thank you very much for the reference to goro...

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

Re: Terri Schiavo

well, i knew that not good things happened in nursing homes and hospitals...but never to this extent...

why did i ever think for a moment that terri had a chance...like lyra said...programing at it's finest...

http://elderfree.50megs.com/.

just a little over a week ago i met an 85 year old woman who was going to have to leave her home of 56 years and relocate to be close to her daughter. i was going to take the 10 kitties that had nowhere else to go. Ruth had lost her husband 3 months ago.  while we visited into the wee hours of the night on our first meeting she told me of how Elton had a fall (Alzheimer's), went to the emergency room, sprained shoulder, but required when you call 911...was fine except for the shoulder, two days later blood pressure bottomed out, spiked fever, dead in 19 days from entering the hospital.  he was starved and dehydrated...which was accelerated by giving diuretics.  he died asking for water...but his mouth was so full of blisters that he could not drink...and of course, no iv's.  two nurses quit in protest.

all of this while the terri story was being played out.

i felt it was no accident that i was in the situation i was in, hearing the things i was hearing...because i do tend to block so much out.  and yet, knowledge is power.  so i have allowed myself to see more of the picture and at the same time feel an inner power connection.

reminds me of what i read on one site the other night...ww3 will be underway before the populace knows it...it will be an after the fact sorta thing...

well, here i am thinking the terri story was more isolated that it actually is...this particular form of murder has been going on in mass to the tune of mega  murder for some time...

culture of death...

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...