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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Another 5 gone in Chicago.</p><p>The pharmaceuticals must be working with the anti-gun lobby at this point.</p><p>Was off his meds.</p><p>Maybe, just maybe people will put the blame where it lies- with the damn pills.</p><p>J</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Skyalmian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>More thread derailment. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>SiriArc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>267699221</p><p>44</p></blockquote></div><p>Err, how did you arrive at 44 from 267699221? (Want to figure out my own and someone else&#039;s.)</p></blockquote></div><p>2+6+7+6+9+9+2+2+1</p><p>=</p><p>44.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>More thread derailment. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>SiriArc wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>267699221</p><p>44</p></blockquote></div><p>Err, how did you arrive at 44 from 267699221? (Want to figure out my own and someone else&#039;s.)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>holy shit I never googled myself..jeez<br />there I am <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /><br />but..there cannot be another kogoribta<br />don&#039;t think there is<br />wow this is wierd</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>don&#039;t think you will find that much on kogoribta as I coined it myself<br />if you do PLEASE let me know <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>yeah i know i am in a 4 year which is right on <br />lots of stuff going on which isn&#039;t my usual <br />selling land to people who can&#039;t afford much...feels right to me<br />i have 2 houses go figure...that&#039;s really a new one<br />always had the number 48 about..but that number always felt kind of heavy...like get over it<br />and over here in australia it&#039;s all about 45 or 99 or 9 or 9945</p><p>&quot;Live at the empty heart of paradox.<br />I&#039;ll dance with you there, cheek to cheek.&quot;</p><p>thanks for the responses siriArc</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Doing a search for the meaning of <span style="color: blue">Kogoribta</span> saw one of Your Blogs And The Year Added to 13.......</strong></p><p><strong>So:</strong></p><p><strong>9-22 = 13</strong></p><p><strong>_ _&nbsp; &nbsp;= 13</strong></p><p><strong>Juan Mo Tyme:</strong></p><br /><br /><p>[center]<strong><span style="color: blue">[size=16]4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4[/size]</span></strong>[/center]</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>hmmm... never did my numerology for kogoribta<br />that is cool.... thanks siriArc<br />just checked your link and that is amazing and gave me shivers!<br />I get those cards alot and what&#039;s more is That is my deck!<br />same Crowley deck I have sitting at home back in Costa Rica!<br />what&#039;s more is the universe card is my card<br />I did literally have a dual with a snake in my bed once down there while it crawled over me while sleeping and had my kitten in it&#039;s mouth and I just grabbed the thing and said &quot;you can&#039;t have my baby&quot;&nbsp; I swung it round and round until it let it go!&nbsp; Of course I got that Universe card when I asked and ever since it is my special link to ....whatever!<br />44<br />and I was born on 22<br />and my number is 9<br />Love this stuff<br />any more interesting items??</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>hehe nice awareness SiriArc <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1507.jpg" alt="http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1507.jpg" /></span></p><p>[center]<strong>Using:</strong></p><p><strong><span class="bbu">1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9</span></strong></p><p><strong>a b c d e f g h i</strong></p><p><strong>j k l m n o p q r</strong></p><p><strong>s t u v w x y z</strong></p><p><strong>kogoribta</strong></p><p><strong>267699221 </strong></p><p><strong>44</strong>[/center]</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://forum.noblerealms.org/pics/555_walking_guy.gif" alt="http://forum.noblerealms.org/pics/555_walking_guy.gif" /></span></p><p><a href="http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3652">http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3652</a>&nbsp; &nbsp;#10&nbsp; &nbsp;#11</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well alrighty then!&nbsp; Thanks for clueing me in SiriArc..I see I am only scraping the surface here of what you all have been talking about for YEARS!&nbsp; I love it.&nbsp; You guys are great.&nbsp; Fantastic reads...I do notice numbers...seems 222 comes up for me all the time...I am sure I will be seeing the 141 connection from now on...what shall I read next <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Damn Lyra, you&#039;re good.&nbsp; Excellent points about the home schooling, and all the common factors with these crazy shootings and their locations&#039; proximities to military bases.&nbsp; The Columb connection, too.&nbsp; WOW! (you know how I am - gotta give you kudos because you never fail to amaze.&nbsp; Nuttin&#039; gets past ya!&nbsp; I swear if I ever need to hire a detective I&#039;d definitely be willing to go broke contracting your sharp ass out. <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&nbsp; </p><p>Shusaflyin, I don&#039;t know if anyone knows that for certain.&nbsp; I&#039;d guess they have the option of doing it so many different ways that they are probably doing both.&nbsp; I&#039;m not sure what the ratio of specifically targeted people/events are to random people that &#039;fall off&#039; as a result of general exposure...but I&#039;d bet they&#039;re both factors to some degree.&nbsp; I&#039;m not as well versed on this subject as so many others here but I do know that there&#039;s potential for mass control tactics everywhere you turn.&nbsp; From all the genetic modification/processing/chemicals in foods, or from the stuff being sprayed in the air (which subsequently would easily affect the water supply), or from the electronic waves that are floating around everywhere, radio, television, computers and electromagnetic crap, microwaves - not to mention all the symbolism and subliminal crap in almost all media, electronic or otherwise.&nbsp; You might not even have been asking all that, anyhow.&nbsp; If you&#039;ve never read Lyra&#039;s book Chasing Phantoms, it&#039;s on her website and it talks a lot about some experiences related to being specifically targeted by that sort of stuff.</p><p>Oh and Sunshine, how incredibly convenient about DHS being present at the mall in Omaha.&nbsp; I&#039;m praising Lyra over there but it&#039;s so funny how (as usual) once you start seeing the connections, all sorts of other obvious things seem to pop right up!!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Can someone elaborate on how these mind control tactics are carried out?&nbsp; I mean do &#039;they&#039; search out a particular person<br />and bombard him till he goes looney - or do &#039;they&#039; saturate the atmosphere hoping it will trigger an unstable person to go nutty? ....</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Prances Fences wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Very interesting, Lyra.</p><p>I just so happen to be watching the news last night (I know - WHAT was I thinking!?) and here in my city there was a guy that came into a church service and killed at least 5 people yesterday.&nbsp; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p><p><a href="http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=7473616">http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=7473616</a></p></blockquote></div><p>An interesting tidbit with the Colorado shooting.........in the Yahoo news story I just found, where they reveal the supposed identity of the shooter of at least one of the churches, they emphasize not once, but <em>two</em> times in the article that he was home schooled in a strict Christian family.&nbsp; It&#039;s interesting because they&#039;re obviously trying to establish a link between home schooled kids being unstable loonies that just might flip out and go shoot things up.</p><p>Now, here&#039;s the connection.....maybe about two weeks ago or so I was reading an article on Rense.com I believe, talking about how many conservative Christian parents in California are pulling their kids out of public schools and home schooling them in light of new legislation to push gay/lesbian studies, stuff that would make it mandatory to teach kids to accept homosexuality, something that many parents believe has no business being on the curriculum in a public school, and all that jazz.&nbsp; The article went on to say that these Christian churches are handing out how-to instructions to teach parents how to go about home schooling their kids in protest of the homosexuality curriculum.&nbsp; The article made it seem like kids were being pulled out of school en masse, enough so that it&#039;s going to hurt the schools financially and put up flags.</p><p>I read that and had the distinct thought, <strong>&quot;I wonder how long the powers that be are going to allow home schooling to be legal.&quot;</strong>&nbsp; &#039;Cause you know that&#039;s the next thing to go - parents having options in terms of how their children are being raised and taught.&nbsp; &nbsp;If their aim is to turn this world into something akin to &quot;1984,&quot; then home schooling where parents are in charge of what&#039;s going into their kids&#039; minds........and bodies.........(ie, vaccinations, etc.) is going to have to go, I mean, you can see this one coming.&nbsp; This is slightly off topic, yet still related enough that I&#039;m mentioning it, because I&#039;m seeing in this article two stressed references to the shooter being <strong>home schooled.</strong>&nbsp; &nbsp;Ding ding ding.&nbsp; Light bulb. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Yahoo article wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The gunman believed to have killed four people at a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the school a few years ago and had been sending it hate mail, police said in court papers Monday.</p><p>The gunman was identified as Matthew Murray, 24, <strong>who was home-schooled in what a friend said was a deeply religious Christian household. </strong> Murray&#039;s father is a neurologist and a leading multiple-sclerosis researcher.</p><p>Five people — including Murray — were killed, and five others wounded Sunday in the two eruptions of violence 12 hours and 65 miles apart.</p><p>The first attack took place at Youth With a Mission, a training center for missionaries in the Denver suburb of Arvada; the other occurred at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, where Murray was shot by a security guard, though investigators said he may have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.</p><p>&quot;Through both investigations it has been determined that most likely the suspect in both shootings are one in the same,&quot; police said in court papers.</p><p>Colorado Springs police said the &quot;common denominator in both locations&quot; was Youth With a Mission. The training center maintains an office at the 10,000-member church.</p><p>&quot;It appears that the suspect had been kicked out of the program three years prior and during the past few weeks had sent different forms of hate mail to the program and-or its director,&quot; police said.</p><p>In a statement, the training center said health problems kept Murray from finishing the program. It did not elaborate. Murray did not complete the lecture phase or a field assignment as part of a 12-week program, Youth With a Mission said.</p><p>&quot;The program directors felt that issues with his health made it inappropriate for him to&quot; finish, it said.</p><p>Police gave no immediate details on the hate mail. And the training center said that Murray left in 2002 — five years ago, not three — and that no one there can recall any visits or other communication from him since then.</p><p>Earlier Monday, a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity said it appeared Murray &quot;hated Christians.&quot;</p><p>Investigators have not said whether Murray singled out his victims. But the two people killed at the church — sisters Stephanie and Rachael Works, ages 18 and 16 — frequented the training center, their uncle Mark Schaepe of Lincoln, Neb., told The Gazette of Colorado Springs.</p><p>Authorities searched the Murray house on a quiet street in Englewood on Monday for guns, ammunition and computers. No one was home when a reporter visited the split-level brick home early Monday. Murray&#039;s father, Ronald S. Murray, is chief executive of the Rocky Mountain Multiple Sclerosis Center in Englewood.&nbsp; </p><p>Matthew Murray lived there along with a brother, Christopher, 21, a student at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla.</p><p>A neighbor, Cody Askeland, 19, <strong>said the brothers were home-schooled, describing the whole family as &quot;very, very religious.&quot;</strong></p><p>Christopher studied for a semester at Colorado Christian University before transferring to Oral Roberts, said Ronald Rex, dean of admissions and marketing at Colorado Christian. He said Matthew Murray had been in contact with school officials this summer about attending the school but decided he wasn&#039;t interested because he thought the school was too expensive.</p><p>Police said Murray&#039;s only previous brush with the law was a traffic ticket earlier this year.</p><p>Senior Pastor Brady Boyd of New Life Church said the gunman had no connection to the church. &quot;We don&#039;t know this shooter,&quot; Boyd said. &quot;He showed up on our property yesterday with a gun with the intention of hurting people, and he did.&quot;</p><p>The gunman opened fire at 12:30 a.m. at the Youth With a Mission center. Witnesses said the man asked to spend the night there and opened fire with a handgun when he was turned down. They described him as a young man, perhaps 20, in a dark jacket and cap.</p><p>Later, at New Life Church, a gunman wearing a trench coat and carrying a high-powered rifle opened fire in the parking lot and later walked into the church as a service was letting out.</p><p>Jeanne Assam, a church member who volunteers as a security guard, shot Murray, who was found with a rifle and two handguns, police said.</p><p>Assam said she believes God gave her the strength to confront Murray, keeping her calm and focused.</p><p>&quot;It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God,&quot; she said at a news conference.</p><p>The pastor credited her with preventing more bloodshed.</p><p>&quot;There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably saved over 100 lives.&quot;</p><p>Boyd said the gunman had a lot of ammunition and estimated that 40 rounds had been fired inside the church, leaving what looked like a &quot;war scene.&quot;</p><p>About 7,000 people were in and around the church the time of the shooting, Boyd said. Security had been beefed up after the shootings hours earlier in Arvada, he said. The church had a total of 15 to 20 volunteer security officers inside at the time of the attack, he said.</p><p>Some members of the congregation reacted with compassion and forgiveness, in keeping with their faith.</p><p>Ashley Gibbs was getting into a car with David Harris when they heard the gunshots. They stayed in the vehicle.</p><p>&quot;It was obvious that he was in some sort of pain and going through a lot,&quot; Gibbs told &quot;Today.&quot; &quot;I just prayed God would bring him peace.&quot;</p><p>New Life, with a largely upper middle-class membership, was founded by the Rev. Ted Haggard, who was dismissed last year after a former male prostitute alleged he had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with him. Haggard admitted committing unspecified &quot;sexual immorality.&quot;</p><p>The two people killed at the missionary center were identified as Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24.</p><p>Johnson, who grew up in Chisholm, Minn., loved working with children and wanted to see the world, said family friend Carla Macynski.</p><p>&quot;Tiffany was a well-liked, easygoing 26-year-old. She was friendly, adventurous and a definite leader,&quot; Macynski said as she choked back tears. Johnson had traveled to Egypt, Libya and South Africa with the missionary group.</p><p>Crouse, of Alaska, was a former skinhead who went through a dramatic spiritual conversion at 18. He had helped build a foster home at a Crow Indian reservation in Montana, said Ronny Morris, who works with a Denver chapter of the mission.</p><p>&quot;Whenever somebody asks me to give a specific situation where a kid&#039;s life has been changed or transformed, I always think of Phil, because he had such a radical transformation of life,&quot; said pastor Zach Chandler in Anchorage, Alaska.</p><p>Youth With a Mission was started in 1960 and has 1,100 locations with 16,000 full-time staff, said Darv Smith, director of a Youth With a Mission center in Boulder.</p><p>The Colorado shootings came days after a 19-year-old gunman opened fire at a busy department store in Omaha, Neb., killing eight people and himself.</p><p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/church_shootings;_ylt=AlGJwfXLoNxm3FliMIpBYgms0NUE">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/church_shoot … pBYgms0NUE</a></p></blockquote></div><p>And of course this one was in Colorado Springs, which is south of Denver, aka, Columbine.&nbsp; Colorado is supposed to be crawling with military bases, above and below ground and mind control stuff galore.&nbsp; How &quot;they&quot; would have pulled it off, I don&#039;t know, (beaming stuff at the population?&nbsp; ???) but it&#039;s in the same region, so you have to wonder.&nbsp; And it always seems to be these certain regions that have this stuff happen.&nbsp; Whether it&#039;s the <strong>Columb</strong>us Ohio sniper shootings, (think Wright Patterson Air Force Base); Salt Lake City (Mormon mind control central, more southwest desert nonsense); Colorado, (<strong>Columb</strong>ine); Virginia Tech, with its Virginia military links; Oregon, (the &#039;98 Kip Kinkel school shooting) an area that&#039;s crawling with weirdness, mind control, strange military and UFO activity and which I&#039;ve already talked about here at NR and on my website.&nbsp; Etc.&nbsp; Etc.&nbsp; &nbsp;There are always going to be exceptions, like the bizarro tragic Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania last year, but in general, so many times it&#039;s the areas noted for military bases and weirdness.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Also a second shooting in Colorado yesterday, this one in Colorado Springs.</p>]]></description>
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