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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>At the heart of our disquiet over such subjects is the realization that human beings are really not the top dogs in the universe. There are other races and cultures out there with much more advanced technology than we possess, and therefore with the power to do whatever the hell they want to do with us, with or without our permission. No, abductions are not always asked for. It is possible for things to be done to us without our permission (knowingly given or not), just like humans experiment on animals that haven&#039;t given their permission for such treatment. Predation of varying sorts occurs at the physical level, as well as various of the non-physical levels. I think all one can do is maintain a greater perspective on it, and trust that our higher powers will see us through any such negative experiences. Life upon planet Earth isn&#039;t always pleasant, nor was it meant to be :-/</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Neomatrix]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-09T00:13:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the info Audendove and Montalk. I find it a bit scary to think that not even the hand of god can help you.. on the subject of &#039;asking for it&#039; or giving permission, i&#039;ve been feeling like there&#039;s something in my room for a while so I lay there in the dark and sometimes get fed up with being scared and unsure whether I&#039;m making it up...so I feel like saying &#039;if you are there just come out and do whatever you&#039;re going to do and get it over and done with&#039;..but then i stop myself because i think that actually i dont want it to do whatever its going to do!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[azriel]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-08T11:04:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Disagree, I too never asked for them.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-08T01:38:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Auendove, I&#039;m wading through this thread </p><p><a href="http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=936">http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=936</a> - only on page 2!! Will definitely get back to you on this one.</p><p>Cipher</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-08T00:11:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Auendove wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The capitalization was a reflection of my being happy with myself for actually having followed the clues and connecting the dots.</p></blockquote></div><p>Awesome! <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /> <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/cool.png" width="15" height="15" alt="cool" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-06T21:29:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey of Troy, it definitely wasn&#039;t taken as a criticism <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />, just a jumping off point.</p><p>EDIT--I didn&#039;t capitalize the DID because I felt criticized. The capitalization was a reflection of my being happy with myself for actually having followed the clues and connecting the dots.</p><p>Thanks for the link!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-05T23:03:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>auendove wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Because this &quot;going up stairs&quot; and etheric abduction is old news to me (this happened a number of times in the mid-late 90&#039;s), I DID awarely &quot;follow the clues and connect the dots.&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>It was defintely not a criticism.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>montalk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>* lack of awareness -- where there is no awareness, there is no freewill, and where there is no freewill there is no violation. The less aware you are, the more the abductors can get away with.</p></blockquote></div><p>1.) It&#039;s a process, it takes time, it is painful, it is worth it.</p><p>2.) In your own time, and in your own way.</p><p>3.) Recovery&#039;s where U make your gains.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Soundgarden wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Give me little bits of more than I can take; then throw yourself away.</p></blockquote></div><p>P.S.<br />Have U tried EFT? Go to <a href="http://www.emofree.com">www.emofree.com</a> and sign up for free newsletters (U can cancel anytime) to get the free intro (click on &quot;free intro booklet&quot; link on homepage). Make sure to do the set-up first. Example: &quot;Even though I have had these abductions, I deeply and completely love and accept myself.&quot; <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jeffrey of Troy]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-05T22:10:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As others have mentioned, numerous factors may be involved in whether, how often, and how severely one is abducted. If your defenses are strong, maybe they need more permission. If weak, then can blow your little house down whenever they want. Some factors I believe increase vulnerability to abductions:</p><p>* giving permission -- sending out an intention that you want to meet them, beckoning them to give you a sign that they exist, thinking how cool it would be to get abducted, having an emotional investment in the continuation of abductions, asking them to help you with healing or psychic powers, or asking to take part in the hybrid breeding program for the good of humanity. Any vested interest, attachment, or desire for abductions will increase them. Also, having formed pacts with demonic entities via occult rituals will allow for the increase of abductions alien abductors are part of the demonic hierarchy. And if there are positive forces working to guard the freewill of others, if one gives permission to abductions then the choice is made and protection is no longer necessary. </p><p>* low FRV (frequency resonance vibration) -- being mechanically and emotionally reactive or passive instead of consciously active. Persecution complexes, indulging in victimhood, succumbing to prolonged fear and paranoia, emotional oversensitivity, obsessing over weird stuff without ever learning from it, failing to put knowledge into action, feeling powerless and giving up, abnegating personal spiritual responsibility and power by calling on external help from position of helpless victim, and emotional insecurity. The frequency of &quot;prey&quot; attracts those of the frequency &quot;predator.&quot;</p><p>* lack of awareness -- where there is no awareness, there is no freewill, and where there is no freewill there is no violation. The less aware you are, the more the abductors can get away with. And even if you have knowledge and awareness of what&#039;s going on, losing awareness upon going to sleep leaves you open for an abduction if you know and remember nothing about it afterwards. Awareness activates freewill, and activated freewill turns otherwise unimpeded activities into attempted freewill violations. If your spiritual strength is sufficient, these attempts are automatically blocked when you become aware of them. </p><p>* weak or damaged aura -- just as a weak physical immune system allows easy penetration by pathogens, so does a weak etheric immune system allow easy penetration by negative entities. Young children, chronic drug and alcohol abusers, and victims of trauma are more easily screwed with through abductions. Childhood is the most important and critical time for abductions because that is when the abductions are easiest and the greatest amount of self-destructive programming can be implanted most deeply.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-05T19:35:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi azriel,</p><p>Yes, the method they describe does have a distinctly &quot;religous&quot; tone to it, and it does involve a lot of time in prayer to do as they&#039;ve described. I exactly know what you&#039;re talking about, about what the Cs had replied. </p><p>While I&#039;m one of the biggest Cs enthusiasts around, I am always careful to remember that they warned us to be diligent about practicing discernment because the likelihood is that apx. 30% of the material is disinformation. Whether or not &quot;the hand of God&quot; info was disinfo or not, I couldn&#039;t tell you for sure. I do know they were proponents of the Christ Consciousness.</p><p>I <em>can</em> tell you that in the past I have faithfully called on the Christ Consciousness (not &quot;God&quot; or Jesus) during intuitive and healing sessions for myself and others. Given some of the interactions and outcomes I can&#039;t deny that there was a greater force that had come to action. </p><p>EDIT--I&#039;ve edited the remainder of what I had posted yesterday because, although I would like to get opinions from others, I&#039;m thinking it would be best for me to think it over a bit more.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-05T15:29:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the link Auendove..I&#039;ve just started reading the C&#039;s transcripts and when I went to the website, it popped in to my mind as an interesting note that when Laura asked if asking for the hand of god helped to prevent the abduction, the answer was no! Although I guess it seems the man on the website is asking specifically for Jesus mostly, anyway i know little about the subject so would welcome any thoughts on this <img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-05T13:05:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Quite synchronistically I was made aware of this web page today. I&#039;ve not before heard of the people who are posting this information...so as usually, use your own sense of discernment. Some may find it useful, some may not, but it&#039;s posted for your perusal none the less.</p><p><a href="http://www.metatech.org/preventing_alien_abductions.html">http://www.metatech.org/preventing_alie … tions.html</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-04T23:56:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>disagree and agree.</p><p>sometimes, being stagnant, and not making a choice EITHER way, leaves you open for anything.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-04T16:35:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Auendove wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In fact, I have dealt with an immense amount of shame for ever having been abducted in the first place, especially as an adult. The feeling of shame was why I had such an emotional outburst on Sunday. The outburst was triggered by my friend relating to me that an aura reader had pulled her aside and said something complimentary about my level of intuitive ability. I didn&#039;t feel that I deserved the compliment, given what had transpired the night before, and especially given the bruises.</p></blockquote></div><p>You do not know who you are yet. You are not yet fully aware. You are so close. Emotional sensitivity precedes epiphanies.</p><p>I believe there is a situation that occurred in your past way before the &quot;abductions&quot; that, through your perceptions, stripped your self confidence, your sense of self.</p><p>I didn&#039;t mention this in the past because I didn&#039;t think you needed to hear it, but I consider you instrumental in this forum. There are those whose posts I would have never understood, and most likely passed over, had you not interpreted them (either wittingly or unwittingly). It&#039;s kind of like sometimes I need for you to chew on something first, THEN I can comprehend it after you spew it out (a crude analogy, but effective, I hope).</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2006-06-04T03:31:22Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jeffrey of Troy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Willpower doesn&#039;t work; faith doesn&#039;t work; love doesn&#039;t work. You have to follow the clues and connect the dots to grow your awareness into a shield.</p></blockquote></div><p>Now, as briefly as possible, let me explain what happened last Sat. night/Sun. morning.</p><p>Three of us NR members stayed up until 2 am rapping about metaphysics. As is usual, at bedtime I melted a melatonin tab under my tongue. Instead, again as usual, of falling fast asleep I fell into a twilight sleep. For me, twilight sleep is where my eyes and body are asleep, but my mind is working as if I&#039;m as wide awake as I am right now. I began to see images of people and structures I have no knowledge of come into view behind my closed eyes (not 3rd eye, it was as if seeing with my eyes open, but in the dark). As sudden as is a blink I found myself in my body (astralled) and passing through a door. On the other side of the door was a staircase. I took two steps up, and then stopped dead in my tracks. I lucidly realized that this was the beginning of an etheric abduction. I turned back around and walked out the door. </p><p>I then returned to my body in bed and the twilight sleep state. Upon returning I heard this &quot;click, click, clickety-clicking&quot; sound in the room. As twilight sleep is not an easy thing for me to roust myself out of I had to...well, basically command myself and work hard to wake up and see about the sound...at the time I was remembering reading about an NR member posting about clicking noises and, if I remember correctly, the sound being related to energetic portal openings (somebody correct me if I&#039;m wrong). </p><p>I finally sat myself up in bed and took note that the sound was coming from the AC vent. Interestingly, as soon as I was aware of where the sound was coming from, and looked at it, it stopped. I then laid back down and returned to the twilight sleep, and remained that way for the rest of the morning/sleep time. If the sound hadn&#039;t of stopped right at my noticing it I would be more likely to think that it was just something to do with the mechanical workings of the AC (even if I&#039;ve never before heard this sound from any AC...and I know my AC for living in FL), and not about some portal opening mechanics. I do always, always strive to be objective.</p><p>Because this &quot;going up stairs&quot; and etheric abduction is old news to me (this happened a number of times in the mid-late 90&#039;s), I DID awarely &quot;follow the clues and connect the dots.&quot; As I was passing back out through the door I was smiling/beaming, lucidly patting myself on the back for turning around. I was very pleased with myself. </p><p>After showering Sun. morning, and while drying myself, I did find bruises on my left forearm that weren&#039;t there the night before. Two were like thumbprints and spread apart by inches, and there was a very small, perfectly round bruise in between the two others and directly over a vein, but there wasn&#039;t a puncture wound as if a shot had been administered. As the color of the small round bruise wasn&#039;t cornflower blue (as described on the Implants thread) I was feeling iffy about whether or not it was an EM burst (personal protection) as the Cs had described. It otherwise had the same appearance.</p><p>Did I get gotten, regardless of my not climbing the stairs and turning around? I dunno. (the question is a rhetorical one) The bruises are suspicious, but I really don&#039;t think I ever fell into a sleep the rest of the morning. I think I stayed aware. Regardless of the sticky-wicket that is Hope, I do hope I was successful, and that not all EM bursts have to be cornflower blue in color. </p><p>And gosh, just so you guys know: even though I had a HUGE emotional outburst later in the day on Sun., as I sit here now, recounting the ins and outs of the incident, I have no emotional attachment. I&#039;m over it. I don&#039;t think like some others do, that &quot;I&#039;m abducted so I <em>must</em> be special.&quot; In fact, I have dealt with an immense amount of shame for ever having been abducted in the first place, especially as an adult. The feeling of shame was why I had such an emotional outburst on Sunday. The outburst was triggered by my friend relating to me that an aura reader had pulled her aside and said something complimentary about my level of intuitive ability. I didn&#039;t feel that I deserved the compliment, given what had transpired the night before, and especially given the bruises. </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>manyeagles wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>We are a wee bunch on this earth, seems such a small general population could not only come up with ideas help to support each and every one of us, but figure out new ways to help in this scenario.&nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="https://forum.noblerealms.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p></blockquote></div><p>I want to take this moment to whole heartedly thank whoever it was that posted about the clicking sounds. The post had served to raise my awareness...and I am so very grateful. I sincerely hope you are feeling the depth of my gratitude. In turn, if my posting of this is of aid to any other person, then it&#039;s worth my concern about what others may think of me for laying it out here.</p><p>I also want to thank the NR member who held me up while I sobbed last Sunday. I probably would&#039;ve &quot;fallen&quot; if you hadn&#039;t been there to catch me.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Auendove]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-03T20:18:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Auendove wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Agree or disagree: All abductions are &quot;asked for&quot; by the abductee.</p></blockquote></div><p>Disagree.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Auendove wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>...and yes, I do know of the school of thought that &quot;soul contracts&quot; may be made before incarnation to participate in abductions.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Carlos Castaneda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The sorcerers&#039; revolution is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that&#039;s the end of the story.</p></blockquote></div><p>Willpower doesn&#039;t work; faith doesn&#039;t work; love doesn&#039;t work. You have to follow the clues and connect the dots to grow your awareness into a shield.</p><p>My experience has been that &quot;free will&quot; is something that has to be achieved, like sanity.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jeffrey of Troy]]></name>
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			<updated>2006-06-03T15:27:01Z</updated>
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